GDT: Devils @ Bolts - Game 5

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Post #501 by deLOUsional » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:55 pm

vonbonds wrote:
deLOUsional wrote:Yea I remember saying it to start the year in game 1 and 87 games later it's the same thing.

Hynes has absolutely no system. It's just everyone go out there and do whatever you want. We got to the playoffs this year on an incredible performance by Hall but we aren't close at all. I wouldn't bet on us making it next year barring a big UFA.

Lovejoy, Boyle, Severson, Moore, Greene all need to go. Especially if we are choosing to stick with Hynes. They're not good enough individually to play here and Hynes does shit to put them in a successful position.

It’s easy to kill the coach and I obviously do as well but it’s hard to kill him for system when 4 of the people you listed are top 7 defenseman for the team and the forwards need a major uplift in skill. Coach Q wouldn’t have done better overall with what this roster has.


True.. but the same coach is the one who makes personnel decisions and played those guys extensively all year long even with better options available.
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Post #502 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:56 pm

Severson won't go anywhere, neither will Boyle or Lovejoy, we're gonna hate em nex tyear too.
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Post #503 by Big Susf » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:56 pm

Gay4Clemmer wrote:I'm fine with Hynes. He's not the best but the guys respond to him and players want to play for him. Hopefully Carlson will want to as well.


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Post #504 by Walter White » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:58 pm

sign Carlson
1st + Severson for OEL

OEL-Carlson
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Post #505 by Krinkle » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:58 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:Game winning goal to a guy who shouldn't have been playing. That pisses me off more than anything I think.


And the guy who was in because of the injury whiffs on moving the man creating the screen.

Is there a way these guys can play Boston in the next round? Would love to see Kucherov get Marchanded
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Post #506 by vonbonds » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:59 pm

Walter White wrote:sign Carlson
1st + Severson for OEL

OEL-Carlson
Greene-Vatanen
Mueller-Butcher

More dreamland stuff...Hall gets the C and Greene is the 7th as Santini plays for him
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Post #507 by CFD » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:59 pm

No postgame on MSG is weak
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Post #508 by vonbonds » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:59 pm

Krinkle wrote:
Balki Bartokomous wrote:Game winning goal to a guy who shouldn't have been playing. That pisses me off more than anything I think.


And the guy who was in because of the injury whiffs on moving the man creating the screen.

Is there a way these guys can play Boston in the next round? Would love to see Kucherov get Marchanded

That’s who they’ll play
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Post #509 by Big Susf » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:59 pm

*Mueller - Vatanen and Greene Butcher would be an okay third pairing. I could see Butcher moving up that ladder real quick though.
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Post #510 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:00 pm

Krinkle wrote:
Balki Bartokomous wrote:Game winning goal to a guy who shouldn't have been playing. That pisses me off more than anything I think.


And the guy who was in because of the injury whiffs on moving the man creating the screen.

Is there a way these guys can play Boston in the next round? Would love to see Kucherov get Marchanded


That was a seeing eye shot, didn't matter who was in front of the net. Not gonna fault Mueller on that. Tampa has been building this team for about seven years while we're on year three. We have a long way to go, I expect another first round L next year too, but, I see big things if they keep drafting and developing.
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Post #511 by Walter White » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:00 pm

I dont like Greene much either, but I think if he doesnt have to play 23 minutes a night he can still be effective
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Post #512 by Arnold Landry » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:00 pm

Offense really died after the first period of game 4. You could tell the forwards we’re just gassed. Hall included.
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Post #513 by Walter White » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:00 pm

Krinkle wrote:
Balki Bartokomous wrote:Game winning goal to a guy who shouldn't have been playing. That pisses me off more than anything I think.


And the guy who was in because of the injury whiffs on moving the man creating the screen.

Is there a way these guys can play Boston in the next round? Would love to see Kucherov get Marchanded


they are playing Boston next round
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Post #514 by Mike. » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:00 pm

I think we have a decent chance to get 1 shiny new player between Tavarez/Carlson...Who knows if they wanna come here though
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Post #515 by vonbonds » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:00 pm

Offseason Shredder wrote:*Mueller - Vatanen and Greene Butcher would be an okay third pairing. I could see Butcher moving up that ladder real quick though.

Ninja edit :colbertsmile:
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Post #516 by Big Susf » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:01 pm

vonbonds wrote:
Walter White wrote:sign Carlson
1st + Severson for OEL

OEL-Carlson
Greene-Vatanen
Mueller-Butcher

More dreamland stuff...Hall gets the C and Greene is the 7th as Santini plays for him


Hall for Captain must happen or me and John Hynes will end up scrappin. Hey look I'm rappin.

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Post #517 by CFD » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:02 pm

Greene isn’t going anywhere. Nor should he. The problem is he should be on the 3rd pairing now, not the 1st
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Post #518 by Arnold Landry » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:02 pm

Greene would be fine if he got bumped down to the third pairing. I doubt he’ll get moved. He seems like a lifer.
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Post #519 by Big Susf » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:03 pm

vonbonds wrote:
Offseason Shredder wrote:*Mueller - Vatanen and Greene Butcher would be an okay third pairing. I could see Butcher moving up that ladder real quick though.

Ninja edit :colbertsmile:


I could have still gotten away with it. Moving up that (d-pairings) later but..



























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Post #520 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:03 pm

Walter White wrote:
Krinkle wrote:
Balki Bartokomous wrote:Game winning goal to a guy who shouldn't have been playing. That pisses me off more than anything I think.


And the guy who was in because of the injury whiffs on moving the man creating the screen.

Is there a way these guys can play Boston in the next round? Would love to see Kucherov get Marchanded


they are playing Boston next round


Leafs get Kadri back tonight, could be an X factor.
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Post #521 by vonbonds » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:04 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Walter White wrote:
Krinkle wrote:
And the guy who was in because of the injury whiffs on moving the man creating the screen.

Is there a way these guys can play Boston in the next round? Would love to see Kucherov get Marchanded


they are playing Boston next round


Leafs get Kadri back tonight, could be an X factor.

Does X equal 5 minute major and game misconduct?
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Post #522 by Big Susf » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:05 pm

I'm fine with Greene but as a #4-5. He's gonna be 36 and as a small guy he takes a beating. I think Mueller needs to be a regular next season with Butcher moving up.
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Post #523 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:05 pm

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Post #524 by Arnold Landry » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:06 pm

Butcher is going to be a great one. He’s really the only youngin that kept up his level of play all series. Nico really faded after game two. Wood, Zacha and Severson were all shit.
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Post #525 by TreasonWeasel » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:07 pm

deLOUsional wrote:I'm also just done with Zacha. I don't care how old he is.. hes not going to be anything special. Hes a cheap version of Zajac.

The season was absolutely a success overall, specifically with Hall, Butcher, Nico and Vatanen. Bratt, Coleman and Noesen as well. Otherwise, I'm not sure this season makes me think much better of the teams future outlook. May actually be more worried about it then when we started the year.

You kind of contradict yourself with your thoughts in the second part of this post.

Our younger players, specifically what's going to be the core moving forward, were a success overall but yet you're worried about the outlook for the future?

I'm not trying to be a dick, I just don't understand. We finally have a #1 center, acquired a top pairing D, Bratt, Butcher, etc. etc. (we all know the positives).

I will say that we definitely need one or two more significant pieces this offseason for me to feel really good but I think that's definitely in reach.
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Post #526 by Big Susf » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:07 pm

Mueller in for Severson. Its a shame cause we all saw some potential when he first stepped in but at some point enough is enough.

It will be decision time for Zacha as well by the end of next season if not this. Like I said, I think we only get a change of scenery type trade out of him unless its a package deal
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Post #527 by Big Susf » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:08 pm

Grabner by the Pussy wrote:Butcher is going to be a great one. He’s really the only youngin that kept up his level of play all series. Nico really faded after game two. Wood, Zacha and Severson were all shit.


Can't really beat up on Nico. Its not like the team picked their game up and he faded. The whole team dropped besides Cory.
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Post #528 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:09 pm

What was that one stat where teams that swept season series were like 10-1 in those series? haha
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Post #529 by NICO NICO PANIC » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:14 pm

nico was tired. longest season he's ever had. shit happens.
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Post #530 by Walter White » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:14 pm

deLOUsional wrote:I'm also just done with Zacha. I don't care how old he is.. hes not going to be anything special. Hes a cheap version of Zajac.

The season was absolutely a success overall, specifically with Hall, Butcher, Nico and Vatanen. Bratt, Coleman and Noesen as well. Otherwise, I'm not sure this season makes me think much better of the teams future outlook. May actually be more worried about it then when we started the year.



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Post #531 by CFD » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:16 pm

They need a top 6 center, top 4 LD and top 4 RD in my opinion.

Seems like a lot but they’ve come a long way. There’s a lot of good forward pieces here. Good mix of guys
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Post #532 by Gay4Clemmer » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:16 pm

I'm still literally overjoyed with the season we had. It was nice to have fun watching hockey.
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Post #533 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:17 pm

Imagine the Caps being so stupid that they played Phillip Grubauer two games to start this series.
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Post #535 by TreasonWeasel » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:18 pm

CFD wrote:They need a top 6 center, top 4 LD and top 4 RD in my opinion.

Seems like a lot but they’ve come a long way. There’s a lot of good forward pieces here. Good mix of guys

Yup

The bottom pairing should be Mueller-Santini. Then you have Butcher and Vatanen for the top four. Still need two more.
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Post #536 by Big Susf » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:18 pm

Gay4Clemmer wrote:I'm still literally overjoyed with the season we had. It was nice to have fun watching hockey.



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Post #537 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:18 pm

Nico is an absolute beauty. I can't wait to cheer him on for the next 20 years.
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Post #538 by TreasonWeasel » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:19 pm

Grabner by the Pussy wrote:Butcher is going to be a great one. He’s really the only youngin that kept up his level of play all series. Nico really faded after game two. Wood, Zacha and Severson were all shit.

Butcher is so good. He's a gamer for sure. Hopefully they can get Nico some more help by way of more top six guys in the offseason. Tampa really keyed on his line and it showed. He was still flying around though
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Post #539 by Big Susf » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:19 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:Nico is an absolute beauty. I can't wait to cheer him on for the next 20 years.



I don't want to see another player wear 13 in Jersey again. He's not even fully grown into his body. Wait until he has man strength. :nucks: :creeper2:
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Post #540 by Big Susf » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:21 pm

Marcus Mareo Hotah wrote:
Grabner by the Pussy wrote:Butcher is going to be a great one. He’s really the only youngin that kept up his level of play all series. Nico really faded after game two. Wood, Zacha and Severson were all shit.

Butcher is so good. He's a gamer for sure. Hopefully they can get Nico some more help by way of more top six guys in the offseason. Tampa really keyed on his line and it showed. He was still flying around though


The first game he played he looked like a keeper and he just kept getting better and better. I thought he'd just see some PP time but he wanted to be a more complete player and did so while still putting up points. Him Hall and Nico were fantastic. Gotta show love to Kinkaid for getting us into the show as well.
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Post #541 by TreasonWeasel » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:22 pm

Kinkaid was great but his value will never be higher. I'd see if you can deal him to the Island for a 3rd or something
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Post #543 by Big Susf » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:23 pm

Marcus Mareo Hotah wrote:Kinkaid was great but his value will never be higher. I'd see if you can deal him to the Island for a 3rd or something


That or just keep him as a insurance policy for a year or two. Maybe a couple teams want him and that's fine with me too. Its good to know Cory is back though. That's huge.
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Post #544 by Arnold Landry » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:24 pm

I like some of the things Maroon brings but yea, I would probably move on from him. Doesn’t really fit the system. Has his moments around the net and stuff but he’s a bang average player who would be better off in a different system.
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Post #545 by Big Susf » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:25 pm

If he came cheap I'd keep him around for the fourth line and he can step up to third when injuries occur. I just hate how slow he is. He seems like a good guy to have in the locker room.
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Post #546 by CFD » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:26 pm

No to Maroon. Isn’t a fit style wise and I don’t want to give any money to an older player who doesn’t fit one of the needs I mentioned before
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Post #547 by Arnold Landry » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:26 pm

Offseason Shredder wrote:
Marcus Mareo Hotah wrote:Kinkaid was great but his value will never be higher. I'd see if you can deal him to the Island for a 3rd or something


That or just keep him as a insurance policy for a year or two. Maybe a couple teams want him and that's fine with me too. Its good to know Cory is back though. That's huge.

Cory was just spectacular. That was reminiscent of Marty in 03 against the Sens.
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Post #548 by Big Susf » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:27 pm

Yeah, I'd tend to agree. He's pretty much finished which is why I'd offer 1.5 million at most. Grabner, who knows. He'll probably go to the Rangas to float around for the rebuild.
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Post #549 by deLOUsional » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:28 pm

Marcus Mareo Hotah wrote:
deLOUsional wrote:I'm also just done with Zacha. I don't care how old he is.. hes not going to be anything special. Hes a cheap version of Zajac.

The season was absolutely a success overall, specifically with Hall, Butcher, Nico and Vatanen. Bratt, Coleman and Noesen as well. Otherwise, I'm not sure this season makes me think much better of the teams future outlook. May actually be more worried about it then when we started the year.

You kind of contradict yourself with your thoughts in the second part of this post.

Our younger players, specifically what's going to be the core moving forward, were a success overall but yet you're worried about the outlook for the future?

I'm not trying to be a dick, I just don't understand. We finally have a #1 center, acquired a top pairing D, Bratt, Butcher, etc. etc. (we all know the positives).

I will say that we definitely need one or two more significant pieces this offseason for me to feel really good but I think that's definitely in reach.


I think we are going to be good enough to not pick high and improve the team via the draft but not good enough to contend. We have some very nice pieces that will stop us from bottoming out but I look around and a lot of other teams are not only already deeper but also have a better prospect system/draft picks than us.

I think we are 2 significant pieces away and not being able to realistically draft one means its UFA or bust.. which isnt a very good position to be in. Could work out but more likely doesnt.
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Re: GDT: Devils @ Bolts - Game 5

Post #550 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:29 pm

Marcus Mareo Hotah wrote:Kinkaid was great but his value will never be higher. I'd see if you can deal him to the Island for a 3rd or something


really, really work at moving him. He needs to go, but they won't cause the rooks didn't give the management much confidence.

Will Tampa trade us Cirelli? Last year he was in the Memorial Cup, this year he's out there killing the final minute of a one goal game.

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