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Post #301 by NICO NICO PANIC » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:17 pm

noesen isn't better than zacha. but he's performing to his ability level and knows what his role is.

zacha's game is just a constant series of peaks and valleys (mostly valleys). and the peaks never last for long. figure out what kind of player you want to be in bingo.
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Post #302 by Calvin's Duplicate » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:27 pm

Sooooooo

All that stuff I said last month about this being (close to) the roster Hynes needs to implement his game plan....

I might have been wrong. Could be due to a mix of underperforming players and opposition being wise to the tactics but clearly there's a ton of work to do. Injuries haven't been helpful but I don't think they've had a great impact yet.

This offseason didn't have the acquisition of a Palmieri or Hall and we haven't tried to add a Johansson or Vatanen type yet but I'd be shocked if Shero lets this continue much longer and doesn't try anything.
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Post #303 by The Ders » Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:32 pm

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Post #304 by CFD » Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:58 pm

The Zacha defending is tired. Move on. He’s a bust and cannot produce on the NHL level.
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Post #305 by åboriginal » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:58 am

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Post #306 by da god » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:16 am

CFD wrote:The Zacha defending is tired. Move on. He’s a bust and cannot produce on the NHL level.

Just give him time and maybe he’ll have a good 10 game stretch and we can declare that he has arrived.
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Post #307 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:04 am

found Apice's burner account

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/ ... -151608747

We don't have the talent or defense to be a contender at this point. We've got arguably the worst defensive core in the league - we desperately need a top pairing shut down defenseman.

I would absolutely trade Hall for a solid young defenseman. We're not going anywhere without improving our D. Hall was tremendous last season - but even in a career year with great puck luck and major, unexpected contributions from rookies, we still barely made the playoffs and got blown out by Tampa without them breaking a sweat.

It's unlikely Hall ever replicates last year, and at the amount he's going to command I think we'd be better off getting something for him now - a piece we can build around. I wonder what you could get if you packaged in Schneider.

Maybe trade Zacha as a reclamation project? If Lazar could get a 2nd certainly he should be able to.

Ok flame away.
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Post #308 by da god » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:12 am

At some point you’ll admit you were wrong about Taylor Hall in year one and realize where I was coming from. The guy was a selfish, easy to defend player and had a terrible season while neckbeards like you said “Hall is far from the problem”

Oddly enough when he transitioned to the player he was supposed to be, the team made the playoffs and all of the “I told you so’s” came out as if his turnaround proved me wrong. In reality it proved me right.

I have not had any gripes with Taylor Hall since early last year when the change was evident.

Eventually you’ll realize that your overly optimistic, Shero-does-no-wrong views are the actual drastic ones, Not my negative views on crap players.
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Post #309 by da god » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:14 am

“Apice always looking to argue”

Meanwhile WW has an active HF account that he frequents hourly
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Post #310 by The Ders » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:16 am

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Post #311 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:26 am

Shero does plenty of wrong and we talk about it plenty. The Lovejoy contract was bad. I said multiple times I wanted another move this summer and was disappointed that we didnt get one.

He does WAY more right than wrong though, and it pains you to admit that for some odd reason. Without the Hall, Palmieri, Vatanen, and Mueller trades where would this team be exactly...?
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Post #312 by da god » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:46 am

I’ve acknowledged each of the moves being productive. I also am not afraid to say that his first round drafting and his (and/or ownership’s) refusal to spend is the reason we haven’t taken the next step
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Post #313 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:48 am

Zacha was clearly Conte's pick. Shero wasn't hired until like a month before that draft.
McLeod the jury is still out
Nico is obviously a home run
Ty Smith so far is looking like a home run

not going to get into the ownership thing again, its pointless.
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Post #314 by vonbonds » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:58 am

McLeod looks like bottom 6 fodder but the jury is still out. Sucks to miss on top end talent with a 6th and 12th overall picks
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Post #315 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:01 pm

McLeod has supposedly been a totally different player the past few games in Bingo

way too early to rule him out for anything

we need to let these guys properly develop. Zacha not getting hardly any AHL time might be why he is what he is now
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Post #316 by da god » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:29 pm

Walter White wrote:Zacha was clearly Conte's pick. Shero wasn't hired until like a month before that draft.
McLeod the jury is still out
Nico is obviously a home run
Ty Smith so far is looking like a home run

not going to get into the ownership thing again, its pointless.

McLeod looks like shit in the minors... jury is still out
Ty Smith looks great in juniors... home run

Same song a dance with you with every player. If they suck, just give them time. If they don’t suck, amazing job Shero.
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Post #317 by da god » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:30 pm

vonbonds wrote:McLeod looks like bottom 6 fodder but the jury is still out. Sucks to miss on top end talent with a 6th and 12th overall picks

Don’t forget future star Nate Bastian.
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Post #318 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:33 pm

the problem with you is that you actually think McLeod looked like shit in the minors, which is clearly not the case

you aren't honest with these things.

Just because he hasn't made it to the NHL yet does not make him a bust. Calling any 20 year old a bust makes you look like a God damn idiot. A lot of our fans wouldn't know what a properly developed forward was if it smacked them across the face, you included apparently. Its OK to let your players spend 1-2 years in the minors. Like I said, if that was done with Zacha, maybe he would be developing better.

like I said, all you do here is bitch and moan. I truly don't get why you enjoy watching the team or even coming here to post. KEep hating on Shero, though....even though without him we almost certainly are still a bottom feeder
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Post #319 by TreasonWeasel » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:35 pm

I don't get the hate on McLeod. Zacha and Bastian suck but I still think McLeod is a fine prospect. He's 16 games into his pro career and coming from people that watch him in Binghamton he's really picking it up
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Post #320 by da god » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:40 pm

Walter White wrote: calling any 20 year old a bust makes you look like a God damn idiot.

You know what makes you look like a god damn idiot? When you argue against nonexistent points
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Post #321 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:40 pm

TreasonWeasel wrote:I don't get the hate on McLeod. Zacha and Bastian suck but I still think McLeod is a fine prospect. He's 16 games into his pro career and coming from people that watch him in Binghamton he's really picking it up


nah man he sucks because he hasn't been a PPG player in the NHL yet at 20
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Post #322 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:40 pm

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Post #323 by TreasonWeasel » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:43 pm



That’s actually a pretty good analogy
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Post #324 by vonbonds » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:44 pm

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TreasonWeasel wrote:I don't get the hate on McLeod. Zacha and Bastian suck but I still think McLeod is a fine prospect. He's 16 games into his pro career and coming from people that watch him in Binghamton he's really picking it up


nah man he sucks because he hasn't been a PPG player in the NHL yet at 20

He’s slotted to be an elite skating Zajac. Nice and dandy but that doesn’t excite me. I didn’t call him a bust (at least not when sober) but he isn’t projected to be a top 6 player. It’s not like we aren’t rooting for these guys you know.
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Post #325 by vonbonds » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:45 pm

TreasonWeasel wrote:https://twitter.com/cmasisak22/status/1058760522278027264?s=21

That’s actually a pretty good analogy

I really like Hynes. He makes some silly roster decisions but that seems to be a universal coaching thing so whatever on that.
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Post #326 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:50 pm

an elite skating Zajac is basically a legit 2nd line center

....which is exactly what this team needs right now, funny enough
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Post #327 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:51 pm

da god wrote:
Walter White wrote: calling any 20 year old a bust makes you look like a God damn idiot.

You know what makes you look like a god damn idiot? When you argue against nonexistent points


yeah you certainly were not implying that by saying that Shero's 1st round picks haven't been good and that McLeod sucked in juniors

my bad, how could I have jumped to that conclusion based on what you said
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Post #328 by vonbonds » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:55 pm

Walter White wrote:an elite skating Zajac is basically a legit 2nd line center

....which is exactly what this team needs right now, funny enough

Zajac
scoring when needed without Parise

Pick 1
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Post #329 by TreasonWeasel » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:55 pm

vonbonds wrote:
Walter White wrote:
TreasonWeasel wrote:I don't get the hate on McLeod. Zacha and Bastian suck but I still think McLeod is a fine prospect. He's 16 games into his pro career and coming from people that watch him in Binghamton he's really picking it up


nah man he sucks because he hasn't been a PPG player in the NHL yet at 20

He’s slotted to be an elite skating Zajac. Nice and dandy but that doesn’t excite me. I didn’t call him a bust (at least not when sober) but he isn’t projected to be a top 6 player. It’s not like we aren’t rooting for these guys you know.


Zajac has played up and down the lineup on several playoff teams so I’ll take that piece. I just don’t like hitching his wagon to Zacha’s. And looking back on McLeod’s last two seasons I’m just not seeing the cause for concern some are
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Post #330 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:56 pm

Zajac was forced to be the 1C for years because we had no better options

Now that he doesn't have to do that anymore, he is exactly where he should be. McLeod wont have to be the #1 with Nico here. If he pans out as a 40 point 2C, thats perfectly fine.
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Post #331 by da god » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:58 pm

Walter White wrote:
da god wrote:
Walter White wrote: calling any 20 year old a bust makes you look like a God damn idiot.

You know what makes you look like a god damn idiot? When you argue against nonexistent points


yeah you certainly were not implying that by saying that Shero's 1st round picks haven't been good and that McLeod sucked in juniors

my bad, how could I have jumped to that conclusion based on what you said

At no point did I call McLeod a bust. I don’t think it’s trending in the right direction though.

Zacha is a bust. I’ve seen enough of him for a lifetime.
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Post #332 by vonbonds » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:00 pm

Getting Cory prevented us from bottoming out for very long. Getting Hall has assured we won’t pick top 10 without winning the lottery.

I still don’t know what Ray’s plan is other than to be amazing at picking in the mid teens each year and looking for castoffs worth 2ns round picks. We’ll blink and it’ll be 2-3 years from now with more of the same here with Buffalo, Philly and with our luck Carolina ahead of us roster/talent wise.
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Post #333 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:11 pm

if you still don't know what Ray's plan is, you aren't paying attention tbh

He has been pretty explicit in tellling us what it is. He had to rebuild an entire farm system.
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Post #334 by da god » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:16 pm

Building a farm system explains the Zacha, McLeod and Bastian picks.
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Post #336 by vonbonds » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:22 pm

He’s not picking high enough to get a core group of high end talent together. It’s a onesy twosy restocking at this point. I know he was given a horrible hand from Lou but somehow we didn’t bottom out for long enough to draft a great core of kids with an age split of 3-4 years
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Post #337 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:27 pm

you don't need to pick top 5 every year to build a prospect pool. Thats such a false narrative.
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Post #338 by vonbonds » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:30 pm

It doesn’t hurt and makes the job a lot easier. Mojo should bring back a 2nd at the deadline and who knows what else might be for sale.
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Post #339 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:31 pm

They aren't going to be sellers.
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Post #340 by TreasonWeasel » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:32 pm

vonbonds wrote:He’s not picking high enough to get a core group of high end talent together. It’s a onesy twosy restocking at this point. I know he was given a horrible hand from Lou but somehow we didn’t bottom out for long enough to draft a great core of kids with an age split of 3-4 years

In the next 1-2 years alone you’re looking at potentially adding Smith/Boqvist/Davies/McLeod/Walsh/Studenic/Zetterlund/etc

In other words what are you talking about? There are plenty of young guys that could be made to form a core with Nico/Butcher/Hall/Bratt
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Post #341 by TreasonWeasel » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:34 pm

Let me be clear that I’m pretty disappointed with the current forward roster but let’s not pretend we don’t have a pretty deep prospect pool
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Post #342 by vonbonds » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:35 pm

Of your list how many are top flight blue chip prospects besides Smith?
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Post #343 by CerebralGenesis » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:37 pm

i dont follow prospect hype anymore. it's fun but it doesn't mean anything til they do something.

I remember the tedenby/josefson/merrill/gelinas/larsson/severson/whoever chatter not long ago
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Post #344 by vonbonds » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:38 pm

Exactly
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Post #345 by TreasonWeasel » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:40 pm

Boqvist for sure. And how many teams have more than one blue chipper anyway?

We just had a ton of guys at the WJC last year and Walsh/Talvitie were late cuts due to contribute this year, Nico was in the NHL.
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Post #346 by TreasonWeasel » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:42 pm

vonbonds wrote:Exactly

This point of view is bullshit if I’m honest

“What prospects do we even have?”
*provides list*
“Whatever, Bergfors/Tedenby/Josefson sucked so these guys will too”
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Post #347 by vonbonds » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:44 pm

TreasonWeasel wrote:
vonbonds wrote:Exactly

This point of view is bullshit if I’m honest

“What prospects do we even have?”
*provides list*
“Whatever, Bergfors/Tedenby/Josefson sucked so these guys will too”

His point is and I agree until we see them against NHL competition we won’t know what they really are. This team doesn’t have a good track record of nurturing along young talent.
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Post #348 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:44 pm

CerebralGenesis wrote:i dont follow prospect hype anymore. it's fun but it doesn't mean anything til they do something.

I remember the tedenby/josefson/merrill/gelinas/larsson/severson/whoever chatter not long ago


when we had those guys, it was universally regarded as a bottom 5 prospect pool

with the guys we have now, its universally regarded as a middle tier prospect pool

its a big difference. OF course, not all of our guys are going to turn out to be studs. Hell, we really only need maybe 1-2 of the guys in our pipeline to become studs. We already have the league MVP, we have a young #1 center, we have a top 10 RW in the league, etc.
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Post #349 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:45 pm

vonbonds wrote:
TreasonWeasel wrote:
vonbonds wrote:Exactly

This point of view is bullshit if I’m honest

“What prospects do we even have?”
*provides list*
“Whatever, Bergfors/Tedenby/Josefson sucked so these guys will too”

His point is and I agree until we see them against NHL competition we won’t know what they really are. This team doesn’t have a good track record of nurturing along young talent.


except last year when we were 2nd in the entire league in rookie scoring?

Aside from that right?
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Post #350 by Walter White » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:51 pm

Like I said, as we all know when Shero took over we had basically no NHL prospects outside of a handful of guys. Many of the guys taken by the new regime have been developing the past 2-3 years and might be ready to push for the NHL next year (as noted by Derek above)

as I said, we already have a good to really good 1st line. We don't need these guys to come in and be world beaters, especially not right away.

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