2013: General Penguins Discussion (Prospects, Current Roster, Salary Cap, Line-Up, Free Agency, etc)

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Post #51 by Roger Sterling » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:48 pm

That would be epic, I mean if Jarome decides ok I want to go back to Calgary after this season, then well...why the fuck not?
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Post #52 by RebeccaJ » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:08 pm

Roger Sterling wrote:So we are back to the wonderful duo of 2010-11 of - Kunitz, Jeffrey, Dupuis as our 2nd line.

I wonder if they can push this win streak with that.

Kuni/Dupuis have been amazing so I'm sure that works.
Iginla, Malkin, Neal being the first?
Would Sutter center a Cooke/Kennedy, Cooke/Adams line. I know Adams typically is fourth line however He has shown a lot more grit lately. I have been slightly impressed with his shot blocking as of late.



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Post #53 by Roger Sterling » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:00 pm

Before when Malkin was out, Sutter was always with his normal line between Cooke & Kennedy with Jeffrey taking the 2nd line C role. Jeffrey is a guy that plays well but his efforts rarely end up on the score sheet. I really want to see him on another team like Letestu. I think he's much better than Letestu so I could see Jeffrey being a 45+ guy somewhere else.
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Post #54 by Roger Sterling » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:30 pm

Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS 7m
Jarome Iginla first choice is to sign a extension with Penguins. If not possible, Kings are a strong option. #RDS


Kings? Wtf?
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Post #55 by Roger Sterling » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:33 pm

A post from Captain Hook @ Boreds.

FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Jarome Iginla ($5.000m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Brenden Morrow ($2.000m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Pascal Dupuis ($2.000m)
Dustin Jeffrey ($0.688m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Craig Adams ($0.675m)

DEFENSEMEN
Brooks Orpik ($3.750m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Simon Despres ($0.840m) / Kris Letang ($3.500m)
Matt Niskanen ($2.300m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.578m) /

GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,538,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $761,667


I would gladly do 5m/yr for Iginla for 4yrs. I would not keep Morrow though, I would re-sign Cooke instead.

Pascal Dupuis at 2.2m/yr for 3yrs (700k raise) and keep Cooke at 1.8m/yr for 1 more year.
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Post #56 by Roger Sterling » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:32 pm

So we got the 3 guys I was hoping for, lol. Jokinen, Morrow and Iginla. So the next Rangers game later this week...

Iginla, Malkin, Neal
Kunitz, Jokinen, Dupuis
Morrow, Sutter, Cooke

That's a solid top 9, the 4th line has way too many options to figure it out, my only concern about the 4th line is that Vitale should never NOT be playing. He's a 60% faceoff guy, you NEED that in the line-up. I also like the Jokinen move because he's not a rental, I think the team adds some solid depth next year if Shero still signs Iginla (would have to let Cooke and Kennedy go then).

Kunitz, Crosby, Iginla
Bennett, Malkin, Neal
Dupuis, Sutter, Jokinen
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Post #57 by Roger Sterling » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:33 pm

I'm just trying to figure out how much of Jokinen's contract was eaten by the Canes, I would still move Glass if we could keep Cooke and add him to the 4th line with Vitale.
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Post #58 by thejew09 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:53 pm

Yeah definitely move Glass in the offseason if Cooke wants to re-sign. We can trade Kennedy's rights for a pick or something to help get back some of the picks we've given up for this year's draft. But damn, healthy lineup:

Kunitz - Crosby - Dupuis
Iginla - Malkin - Neal
Jokinen - Sutter - Morrow
Cooke - Adams - Kennedy
*Vitale, Glass

Letang - Murray
Orpik - Martin
Niskanen - Eaton
*Engelland, Despres, Bortuzzo

I never imagined Shero would make this many moves. Our team hasn't had this combination of talent and depth in a long time.
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Post #59 by Gordon Shumway » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:06 pm

thejew09 wrote:Yeah definitely move Glass in the offseason if Cooke wants to re-sign. We can trade Kennedy's rights for a pick or something to help get back some of the picks we've given up for this year's draft. But damn, healthy lineup:

Kunitz - Crosby - Dupuis
Iginla - Malkin - Neal
Jokinen - Sutter - Morrow
Cooke - Adams - Kennedy
*Vitale, Glass

Letang - Murray
Orpik - Martin
Niskanen - Eaton
*Engelland, Despres, Bortuzzo

I never imagined Shero would make this many moves. Our team hasn't had this combination of talent and depth in a long time.


Agreed not since around 96 when it was like Mario,JJ,Nedved,Sandstrom, Francis,Smolinski,Zubov,Glen Murray, if they count Daigneault,Joesph.
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Post #60 by Roger Sterling » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:33 pm

I don't know if I bring back Eaton. But I definitely do trade Kennedy's rights and Glass at the draft to get maybe a 3rd or a 2nd from a team.

I also don't know if I would keep Deryk Engelland. He's been pretty mediocre this year and he's not that great to begin with. I would rather see Bortuzzo and him fight it out and then move the guy that loses. Murray is a guy I wouldn't mind keeping around though.

Orpik, Martin
Despres, Letang
Murray, Niskanen
Bortuzzo

That's how I want the defense to be next year.

Bye bye to Engelland and Eaton.
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Post #61 by Roger Sterling » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:34 pm

Gordon Shumway wrote:Agreed not since around 96 when it was like Mario,JJ,Nedved,Sandstrom, Francis,Smolinski,Zubov,Glen Murray, if they count Daigneault,Joesph.


There was that one game where JJ Daigneault was like Paul Coffey, I swear I scored like 30 goals with him as a defenseman.
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Post #62 by Roger Sterling » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:35 am

What would your perfect playoffs be for match-ups?

For me, to face the Flyers and Habs, Tampa was a fluke so that doesn't really bother me, but these 2 series are used a lot against the Pens. It'd be nice to rid ourselves of those demons and just flat out shit kick them out of the playoffs. The Flyers in the 1st round, then the Habs in the ECF.
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Post #63 by Shawn Michaels » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:18 am

Roger Sterling wrote:What would your perfect playoffs be for match-ups?


Let's just accept the inevitable.

2013 Stanley Cup Finals - Pittsburgh Penguins vs Anaheim Mighty Ducks.

Crosby/Malkin vs Getzlaf/Perry
Iginla/Morrow vs Selanne/Koivu
Fleury vs Hiller or Fasth. (I'm not sure who the #1 is, both have been good).

It's going to be an exciting and orgasmic Stanley Cup final that will end in Game 7 when someone scores in Overtime #26.
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Post #64 by Hovercraft » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:33 am

Fantasy related question:

When is Letang due back?
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Post #65 by Gordon Shumway » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:26 pm

Hovercraft wrote:Fantasy related question:

When is Letang due back?


I'm assuming sometime in the coming week, chance for Friday. Just a guess no timetable has been set.
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Post #66 by Gordon Shumway » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:39 pm

Harrison Ruopp signed to entry level deal.
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Post #67 by Roger Sterling » Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:23 pm

Shawn Michaels wrote:Let's just accept the inevitable.

2013 Stanley Cup Finals - Pittsburgh Penguins vs Anaheim Mighty Ducks.

Crosby/Malkin vs Getzlaf/Perry
Iginla/Morrow vs Selanne/Koivu
Fleury vs Hiller or Fasth. (I'm not sure who the #1 is, both have been good).

It's going to be an exciting and orgasmic Stanley Cup final that will end in Game 7 when someone scores in Overtime #26.


I'm just wondering what kind of cool paint job Randall will give his sunfire in honor of such a series.

Hovercraft wrote:Fantasy related question:

When is Letang due back?


Likely the Boston or Buffalo game. It's not just a toe related injury, it's a nagging groin injury too. He's been skating on his own though so that's a good sign.
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Post #68 by Roger Sterling » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:57 pm

Gordon Shumway wrote:Harrison Ruopp signed to entry level deal.


It was a matter of time, the guy is Orpik's replacement for the way he plays. It's why I wouldn't miss Brooks if he was traded and good god, Shero needs to entertain that idea. Orpik has been bad this year, it's starting to be way too obvious not to notice.
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Post #69 by Roger Sterling » Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:08 pm

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Post #70 by Shawn Michaels » Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:50 pm

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It's chocolate. Looks delicious.
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Post #71 by Roger Sterling » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:08 am

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Post #72 by Roger Sterling » Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:31 pm

Just saw the Pens report and Sid looks good, a few teeth missing but he looks more like a hockey player now. Hopefully he gets his dental situation sorted out and can start eating solid foods again, hopefully we see the guy for the Sabres game next weekend.
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Post #73 by Roger Sterling » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:53 pm

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Here's to MAF, our team MVP in my books, 2yrs running.
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Post #74 by Roger Sterling » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:16 pm

Pens sign Eric Hartzell.

The Pittsburgh Penguins have signed goaltender Eric Hartzell, to a one-year entry-level contract, it was announced today by executive vice president and general manager Ray Shero.

The deal runs through the 2012-13 season and has an average annual value of $925,000.

Hartzell, 23, led Quinnipiac University to the school’s first-ever Frozen Four appearance this past weekend at CONSOL Energy Center. Hartzell helped the Bobcats reach Saturday night’s championship game.

The 6-foot-4, 187-pound netminder was a finalist for the Hobey Baker Award as the NCAA’s top college hockey player this season after posting a 30-7-5 record, 1.57 goals-against average and .933 save percentage in 42 starts.

Hartzell, who is a native of White Bear Lake, Minnesota, led the entire NCAA in minutes played this season (2522:02) and tied for third in shutouts with five while being named NCAA First-Team All-American.

Hartzell’s outstanding season earned him several accolades including 2013 ECAC Player of the Year, ECAC Hockey Ken Dryden Goaltender of the Year, a selection to the ECAC First-Team All-Star squad, a spot on the All-New England All-Star team and a selection to the CollegeHockeyNews.com's First-Team.

In four seasons at Quinnipiac, Hartzell posted a career record of 58-27-17 with a 1.96 goals-against average, .924 save percentage and 10 shutouts in 106 career appearances. Hartzell’s 1.96 goals-against average established a school record.

Before joining Quinnipiac, Hartzell played three seasons for the Sioux Falls Stampede of the United States Hockey League (USHL) between 2006-09. Hartzell went 39-32-4 in 79 career games for the Stampede.

http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=665785&navid=DL|PIT|home
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Post #75 by Roger Sterling » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:17 pm

Those are some staggering numbers, but let's be a little skeptical, Brad Thiessen was a damn good young goaltending prospect as well. Wait and see with this kid, he's a huge goaltender though, same size as Killeen. Was kind of hoping Laganiere or Langlois was signed, both could be shit, but having some options wouldn't be bad.
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Post #76 by Gordon Shumway » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:09 am

Roger Sterling wrote:Those are some staggering numbers, but let's be a little skeptical, Brad Thiessen was a damn good young goaltending prospect as well. Wait and see with this kid, he's a huge goaltender though, same size as Killeen. Was kind of hoping Laganiere or Langlois was signed, both could be shit, but having some options wouldn't be bad.


It's being reported Pittsburgh, Canada's Assneck, Vancouver, and The Fenchies are the front runners for Laganiere.
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Post #77 by thejew09 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:23 pm

What position is Laganiere?
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Post #78 by Roger Sterling » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:31 pm

thejew09 wrote:What position is Laganiere?


Center, primarily.
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Post #79 by Roger Sterling » Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:38 pm

Sid recap.
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He can eat mashed potatoes now and he's been skating again. Looking good for seeing him back.

Injured players Sidney Crosby (broken jaw), James Neal (concussion) and Paul Martin (hand) all skated Monday morning before team practice with strength and conditioning coach Mike Kadar. Crosby has missed the last six games, Neal has missed the last three games and Martin has missed the last seven games. The Penguins have no timeframe for the return of any of the three players. Crosby skated for the first time since suffering a broken jaw when a deflected puck struck him in the mouth March 30 against the NY Islanders. He underwent surgery and major dental work the following day. "(Crosby) was out basically for a skate," head coach Dan Bylsma said. "It wasn't any strenuous exercise at this point." Neal was diagnosed with a concussion after being elbowed in the head by NY Rangers' Michael Del Zotto April 5. "James is symptom free," Bylsma said. "There is no timeframe (on Neal)." Martin has been out of the lineup since a shot broke a bone in his hand March 28 vs. Winnipeg. He had successful surgery on his hand Sunday, March 31. He began skating April 11th is warmups, but not full gear. "(Martin) has had motion with what he can wear on his hand," Bylsma said. "It allows him to go on the ice and skate. I don't have a timeframe for when he can get back in a practice situation with the team. His skating will be at full speed as he progresses with the injury. It's just a matter of going through the time period and healing process." Written by Sam Kasan & Michelle Crechiolo
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Post #80 by CharlieGirl » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:14 am

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Excited to be headed to Wilkes-Barre this morning.
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Post #81 by Gordon Shumway » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:57 am

CharlieGirl wrote:Matia Marcantuoni ‏@mm_91
Excited to be headed to Wilkes-Barre this morning.


He's fast like Rico Fata and Konstatian Kolstov fast.
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Post #82 by Roger Sterling » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:00 pm

CharlieGirl wrote:Matia Marcantuoni ‏@mm_91
Excited to be headed to Wilkes-Barre this morning.


ATO I am guessing, he should definitely be back in Kitchener next season though.
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Post #83 by Gordon Shumway » Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:00 am

THE Anton Zlobin signs a PTO also.
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Post #84 by Roger Sterling » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:31 pm

So Macaroni and Zlobin in WBS, I am hoping they play a lot before the playoffs.
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Post #85 by Roger Sterling » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:04 pm

I read the article about Hartzell on the pens site, it's nice to see prospects seeing the Pens as a destination, I know forwards tend to sign with other teams because they think they have a better shot, but the Pens give players opportunities if they EARN IT. They won't just give it to the guy based on contract status as a rookie. Beau earned his shot and has continued to earn it with how hard he has played and adapted to every situation he's been thrown into, it's what Tangradi was completely incapable of doing and the Pens gave him so many chances. Bortz, Strait, Lovejoy, and Despres all got chances as well.

Can't wait to see how this kid develops, MAF won't be the #1 forever, but I hope he never leaves the team. At best I want the situation to be a 1A/1B situation until MAF is ready to be a back-up and play less games and let the kid take over as #1.

I would say that's a 3yr thing, Fleury is 28, could play into his mid 30's at best and still be effective. But I think Hartzell at 23, is going to be a guy that will (if he develops well) push for a #1 job in 2yrs. I would say next year he's in the AHL with Zatkoff, splitting time with him to battle it out for the top job there.

Next year - 2013-2014
NHL: Fleury/Vokoun
AHL: Zatkoff/Hartzell

Season - 2014-2015
NHL: Fleury/Hartzell or Zatkoff
AHL: Zatkoff or Hartzell/Murray
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Post #86 by thejew09 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:17 pm

I really want to roll these forward lines once everyone is healthy:

Dupuis - Crosby - Iginla
Kunitz - Malkin - Neal
Morrow - Jokinen - Bennett
Cooke - Sutter - Adams

1st line: Crosby & Dupuis stay united since they have great chemistry. Iginla fits on his natural right wing spot, instead of that awful LW experiment, which gives Crosby an impact scorer to work with.

2nd line: Reunite the best line in hockey from the 11-12 season. Kunitz's great play this season and chemistry with these two should help spark them (since both have been off their game at times this season).

3rd line: All three of these guys have been on fire as of late, and have spent some time playing together (though not all 3 at once I don't believe). Each of them have different styles that I think would complement each other well.

4th line: Not truly a 4th line, and should get roughly as many minutes as the 3rd line. Adams in place of Kennedy because of his PK abilities (and Kennedy is mostly useless at this point). This can be our shutdown line to throw out against opponents.
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Post #87 by Roger Sterling » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:17 pm

I am on board with those lines, Sutter on the 4th makes more sense than Jokinen there.
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Post #88 by RebeccaJ » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:19 pm

How likely is it that we will keep Morrow another year?

Would like to see him in the line up another year.
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Post #89 by Roger Sterling » Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:42 pm

It depends on what he wants.

If you keep Iginla and Morrow, you have to say goodbye to Glass, Kennedy, and Cooke and maybe even Dupuis.

Which sounds bad, but when you look at the roster...

Kunitz, Crosby, Iginla
Morrow, Malkin, Neal
Bennett, Sutter, Jokinen
Jeffrey, Vitale, *UFA/Rookie*
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Post #90 by Roger Sterling » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:12 pm

I usually don't like to read into things but Iginla putting his house up for sale does help our cause for seeing him re-sign with the Penguins. I am sure Mario and the other parents on the team, sold him on the school, family life, etc in Pittsburgh and the other communities within. That's just guess work though.

But a guy that people think is going to be back after this season because he's a Calgary lifer (for living there)...unless he's buying a bigger house in that area, it looks like he's making another place his new home.

I would definitely be down for seeing Iginla sign a 4-5yr deal and retiring with the Penguins.
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Post #91 by Roger Sterling » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:50 am

Lol at this Don Brennan clown. He first writes an article about how Cooke is interested in his junk to get readers and he talks about how Cooke says he has no balls and wonders why he didn't ask him a question.

Really?

If you are that desperate for attention, write better, be more interesting, but try not to lie about shit so you become a nobody that seems like a child, like every person in the Ottawa media and management already do. At this point, I hope Cooke did do the cut on purpose, because the way the Sens fans, owner, media and management have acted...they deserve it for being such idiots.

If Ottawa was trying to get back at the Pens, losing was a pretty bad attempt.
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Post #92 by Gordon Shumway » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:55 am

Wasn't that the same clown who challenged BGL to a fight in the playoffs then BGL confronted him and then ran for his life?
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Post #93 by Gordon Shumway » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:56 am

It's unrealisiltic but goddamn would I love if everyone reupped here in the summer.
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Post #94 by Gordon Shumway » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:04 pm

THE Anton Zlobin signed to entry level deal.
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Post #95 by Roger Sterling » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:37 pm

People over at boreds think Zlobin is useless and just a flash in the pan. I think the kid has some damn good game and will surprise everyone. I can't wait to see what he does in WBS next year.
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Post #96 by Gordon Shumway » Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:37 am

That's THE Anton to you.
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Post #97 by Roger Sterling » Wed May 01, 2013 2:26 am

Every once in a while, I look on the web to see if I can find good pens fans or even pens related stuff...then I stumble upon this glistening gem.

So many revisionist historians, so little time, I tell you!

Lots of people seem to think that the Penguins' bankruptcy in 1998 had something to do with a lack of fan support. No, it didn't. It had to do with then-owner Howard Baldwin making stupid business decisions. Here's a link to an article from 2003, detailing exactly what went wrong:

http://old.post-gazette.com/sports/c...cook0217p1.asp (broken link)


Here are three juicy quotes from the article:


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#1

"Baldwin cared deeply about the Penguins and their fans and, for a time in the 1990s, was the city's most beloved sports owner. But no one knew at the time he was keeping a winning team together by giving huge contracts to Mario Lemieux, Jaromir Jagr and so many others that he didn't have the money to do the deals. It wasn't until the franchise filed for bankruptcy in October, 1998, that we realized just how reckless and foolish many of his decisions were with the players, with Spectacor Management Group, with Fox Sports Net Pittsburgh and with city and county officials."


#2

"Faced with an uncertain future because of Lemieux's retirement and still feeling the pain from the killer work stoppage, Baldwin had to bring in Boston millionaire Roger Marino as a new partner in '97. Marino still must regret the day. He later said he didn't realize just how bad many of Baldwin's decisions were.

Although the contract with SMG, which managed Mellon Arena, was cited as the overriding cause of the bankruptcy, it was Baldwin's deal with the city and county that still could force the Penguins out of town. In '97, he accepted a $12.9 million Band-Aid for club seats and other improvements at the arena instead of jumping on the Plan B bandwagon with the Pirates and Steelers, who built terrific new facilities."


#3

"'I just hope that everyone back there -- the mayor and the politicians -- gets behind Mario. The hockey fans there deserve it. They probably don't think much of me, but they're great fans.'

It's no wonder Baldwin is rooting so hard for the Penguins.

If they don't make it, his fingerprints will be all over the corpse."

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Simply put, the bankruptcy had nothing to do with the fans.

Lots of people also seem to think that the Penguins' relocation threat in 2007 had something to do with a lack of fan support. No, it didn't. It had to do with Mario Lemieux getting tired of waiting for the new arena he was promised when he took control of the team in 1999.

After the city of Pittsburgh faced a budget crisis in 2003, Lemieux hitched his wagon to Isle of Capri Casinos. Isle of Capri agreed to build the Penguins a new arena with their own money if they were awarded a license by the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board to build a casino in Pittsburgh. They were in competition with Harrah's and Majestic Star for the license, and ultimately lost the bid to Majestic Star late in 2006. This is when Lemieux began to play hardball and threaten relocation. Thankfully, a deal was made that got CONSOL Energy Center built.

Home attendance in Pittsburgh averaged 94% of capacity during the 2005-2006 season, and 97% of capacity during the 2006-2007 season. (It was during this season that the Penguins' current sellout streak began.) Attendance did drop during the three poor seasons prior to the lockout, but then that makes Penguins fans no different than Blackhawks fans, really. People in Chicago weren't exactly filling the United Center to watch the Blackhawks back when they were lousy, yet they don't get half the **** for it that Penguins fans have gotten for it.

Similarly, the Blackhawks don't even get half the **** for sucking their way into Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane that the Penguins do for sucking their way into Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin. The Blackhawks are basically the Penguins' doppelgangers in the Western Conference, yet nobody hates them for it. I've had it with all the double standards and revisionist history.

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/hockey/1535514-everything-you-know-about-pittsburgh-penguins.html#ixzz2S1HQSAhS


I'd like to buy this man a Pens jersey.
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Post #98 by Roger Sterling » Wed May 08, 2013 12:47 am

So when we get knocked out in the first round again, who should Shero go after with the cap space he will have when Iginla, Morrow, Dupuis, and Murray all walk.
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Post #99 by Gordon Shumway » Wed May 08, 2013 1:31 am

He'll use it to retain Craig Adams for the next 40 years.
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