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Post #101 by Killface » Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:50 am

Vector wrote:You know what's helping the Canucks success this season? Lack of penalties to top players.

Vrbata, Hank, and Horvat have 2 PIMs each. They're on pace for 6 PIM for the whole season.

Daniel, Higgins, and Hansen have 4 PIMs each. Vey, Weber, and Tanev have 6 PIMs. Matthias and Sbisa have 8 PIMs. Those are crazy low numbers.


The Benning effect?

I wonder just how bad Gillis's reputation is around the league.
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Post #102 by aptar » Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:09 am

I'd say more the Kesler effect. That's a whole lot less obnoxious whining in the ref's ear. Suddenly Burrows doesn't look so bad, and the team in general seems to have finally earned the reputation of skilled and clean that was really just undone by a few highlight reel chirps and dives when everyone was watching.
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Post #103 by yumphod » Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:52 pm

combination of kesler effect and benning (bruins old boys treatment)
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Post #105 by Vector » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:17 pm

Some Canucks notes from Elliotte Friedman:

20. The Canucks were steaming when Anders Lee eventually got a hearing for elbowing Carl Gunnarsson, but Stephane Robidas didn’t for his shot to Shawn Matthias. The biggest complaint (and the Blues had it too) was that if a player is responsible for accidents with his stick, shouldn’t he also be responsible for accidents with his body parts? I’ve asked about this before, and the response is usually something along the lines of, “Then teams will complain there are too many suspensions.”

21. Vancouver coach Willie Desjardins said he learned a lot about Bo Horvat in Vancouver’s 5-1 loss to Los Angeles on Nov. 8. With a game the next night in Anaheim, Desjardins decided to use Horvat a little more against the likes of Anze Kopitar and Jeff Carter.

Talking to Horvat about it last weekend you could see how much he loved the opportunity. During a TV timeout he stood near Mike Richards and decided to tell the Kings’ centre that he was Horvat’s favourite player growing up. Did Richards come back with something like, “Geez, I’m getting old?” “No,” Horvat laughed. “I actually asked him if he kept in touch with a junior teammate who is from my hometown. Then I told him he was my favourite player. He was great about it.”

22. You wonder if a coach changes over the years, especially from juniors to the AHL to the NHL. But Derek Dorsett says Desjardins is still the same guy who coached him from 2004-07 in Medicine Hat.

“Hasn’t changed at all,” Dorsett said.

And that was a compliment. “He still has the same sayings, too,” Dorsett continued. I made an error in writing this down, but one of them is something like, “We’re going to play hard, because playing hard is what we do.”

23. Kevin Bieksa on Alex Edler’s resurgence: “Alex likes to play aggressively. You have to learn not to chase the hit, let it come to you. I have that same problem. He’s learning.”

Desjardins on the Edler/Chris Tanev pairing: “Sometimes you put two guys together in hope of what they can be.” So far, they’re very good. Tanev may never get a ton of points but his coaches and teammates recognize how well he passes out of the zone.

24. Bieksa was asked how good the Canucks are. He responded, “I think we’re still figuring that out.”

That was last week, 36 hours after a 3-0 win in Pittsburgh. His face had a “wow” kind of expression at how well Vancouver played that night. The Canucks followed with one point out of six in Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal. Yes, it was a long road trip, but Bieksa was referring to last season when Vancouver started well but collapsed. The returnees haven’t forgotten.

25. Twitter superstar Eddie Lack changed his routine last summer. He asked his trainer to move in with him for a couple of weeks in Vancouver to co-ordinate his regimen with the Canucks.

How many off-days after the season before he got to work? “About three,” Lack said. “After my hip surgery I constantly felt I was behind (in 2013-14).” Asked if he was worried about that happening again as his workload picks up, Lack replied that it won’t be an issue. “I feel much better this year. Not the same.”
SopelFan wrote:This is up there on his on his list of 40 injuries with the snake bite and the busted nut.
In reference to Salo hurting himself playing whiffleball.
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Post #106 by Cao » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:29 pm

@Hope_Smoke: Friedman "the Bruins are active right now for a player with edge. That's their identity & they're lacking it right now"

@Hope_Smoke: Friedman "Boston has talked a lot with St.Louis. Linked with Oshie, but the issue is Oshie has term & they don't want to add term"

@Hope_Smoke: Friedman "I think Boston is willing to take a chance on Kassian because he won't cost as much"

@Hope_Smoke: Friedman "if they [Boston] can get him [Kassian] to be who he can be, and he hasn't been that yet, he will be what they're missing"





may stop being a canucks fan if this happens, ever
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Post #107 by Killface » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:29 pm

We're going to trade Kassian for McQuiad or some stupid meat and potatoes defenceman aren't we.
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Post #108 by Cao » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:56 pm

i bet if it does happen it'll be for loui eriksson, who is an alright player, but that would be dumb

but i do like that the bruins are after chris stewart as a power forward instead of a good offensive player who can help them.
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Post #109 by aptar » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:09 pm

We're going to trade Kassian to the team that made us obsessed with acquiring players like Kassian.
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Post #110 by King Ryan » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:12 pm

I would do it for Dougie Hamilton
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Post #111 by Vector » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:46 pm

King Ryan wrote:I would do it for Dougie Hamilton


That's the only scenario that I'd be satisfied with.
SopelFan wrote:This is up there on his on his list of 40 injuries with the snake bite and the busted nut.
In reference to Salo hurting himself playing whiffleball.
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Post #112 by aptar » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:47 pm

You fall asleep in the living room chair again?
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Post #113 by SbisaSoSassy » Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:14 pm

There is no way Boston is going to give up Hamilton for Kassian.
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Post #114 by Cao » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:01 pm

they traded seguin for eriksson

although i guess two bostons (chiarelli and benning) probably think up an even dumber trade
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Post #115 by King Ryan » Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:30 pm

Skippy wrote:There is no way Boston is going to give up Hamilton for Kassian.


I did not mean to imply that they would.
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Post #116 by Cao » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:58 pm

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Kassian isn't Seguin but Benning has the same feelings. Ship em out. Why nurture an erratic but intriguing talent? @omarcanuck

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BEST TRADE SPECULATION

If it comes to it, the Canucks are not going to let this team slide like last year while sitting on their hands in the general manager’s box.

They will make moves to get this team to the playoffs. I don’t see any “well, we’ll just play the kids” coming in February or March.

The three assets most likely to get dealt are Chris Higgins, Zack Kassian and Eddie Lack.

Kassian’s name is already all over the place, and plenty are connecting the Canucks and the Boston Bruins.

Personally, I don’t like the idea of seeing a soon-to-be 24-year old who has never got a prolonged look in an offensive role getting traded.

Especially considering the guy he keeps getting compared to is Bertuzzi and Bertuzzi didn’t do anything until he was 24.




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Post #117 by Vector » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:32 pm

I really hope that's just...fuck I mean...kinda funny if they trade youth after claiming to get younger.
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Post #118 by Ernie » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:40 pm

Yup, that would pretty much be the death knell right there. I could handle them trying to stay competitive if they were still focussed on youth overall. But if they're selling off young assets just to make the playoffs.. fuck 'em.

Ultimately it will just cost them their heads, too. They need the youth if they have any plans of making the playoffs once the vets get just a bit older. If this team gets really bad 2-3 season into their tenure, when it was expected they'd be competitive again, they're not going to survive.
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Post #119 by Cao » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:21 am

BEST REALITY

Management has not been thrilled with Kassian’s first three months of the season. They say, rather ominously, he has to decide what kind of player he’s going to be.

That’s not “real good.”

As Farhan pointed out on the TSN 1040 pre-game show, the team has made inquiries for wingers, and they are ones you would describe as being of the power forward variety.

This is the role Kassian is supposed to fill.

It’s not clear how much patience the Cancuks will have waiting on the Kassian who closed out last season to show up, consistently. But that patience has been dwindling.


















oh no
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Post #120 by Cao » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:26 am

the worst part is that you just know Benning thinks they were right in getting rid of seguin even after seeing him light the league up

i bet he would've traded away pk subban too
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Post #121 by Vector » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:27 am

MacIntyre and Valk, during the intermission, both said that the can't ahouldn't and won't trade Kassian. I'm not convinced that all of this isn't media speculation. Desjardins put Kassian on the PP and was playing great hockey then got injured. Now it's coming out that management is frustrated in him. For what? Getting injured? Poor timing? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Also, this is from Elliotte Friedman's 30 thoughts. The article went up last Friday.

Elliotte Friedman wrote:4. Here’]Late note: Boston may have cooled on this one.[/I]


Friedman doesn't say that the Canucks are interested in trading Kassian but rather Boston would be interested in acquiring Kassian.
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Post #122 by Vector » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:06 am

A random note from that article about why Robidas didn't get suspended:

[quote="Elliotte Friedman"]1. Equal time: Last week, this blog included a note indicating Vancouver’]
SopelFan wrote:This is up there on his on his list of 40 injuries with the snake bite and the busted nut.
In reference to Salo hurting himself playing whiffleball.
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Post #123 by Cao » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:06 pm

I know Pronger wears glasses so I'm not sure why he elected to not use them
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Post #124 by Ernie » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:20 pm

Well maybe they wildly overrate him still then.

I'm ok with trading Kassian if they get equal or greater value in a young defenseman.
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Post #125 by Cao » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:24 pm

Krug, Hamilton, or bust
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Post #126 by aptar » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:36 pm

Boston will be our new Florida.
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Post #127 by Vector » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:44 pm

aptar wrote:Boston will be our new Florida.


That's a relationship that's always gone well for us.
SopelFan wrote:This is up there on his on his list of 40 injuries with the snake bite and the busted nut.
In reference to Salo hurting himself playing whiffleball.
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Post #128 by Ernie » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:30 pm

Vector wrote:That's a relationship that's always gone well for us.


Not sure if serious.
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Post #129 by Vector » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:34 pm

Ernie wrote:Not sure if serious.


For Florida, the getting Jovanovski for Bure was okay and the Luongo trade was obviously fantastic. Every other trade with Florida has sucked. Every trade with Boston has sucked. Everything sucks!
SopelFan wrote:This is up there on his on his list of 40 injuries with the snake bite and the busted nut.
In reference to Salo hurting himself playing whiffleball.
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Post #130 by Ernie » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:38 pm

yeah that's kinda what I was wondering, cause aside from that Luongo trade everything else has been a wash at best.
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Post #131 by aptar » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:56 pm

Someone needs to do a piece breaking down all the Canucks trades in the last 10-15 years with retrospect and deciding a winner, like everyone does with draft picks. I bet the Canucks probably win around 25%.
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Post #132 by Vector » Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:36 pm

aptar wrote:Someone needs to do a piece breaking down all the Canucks trades in the last 10-15 years with retrospect and deciding a winner, like everyone does with draft picks. I bet the Canucks probably win around 25%.


Here you go. Every trade since the 1999-2000 season. Players the Canucks acquired are on the right. Traded players are on the left.

2014-2015 Season:
Kellan Lain - Will Acton (Edm)
2nd - Linden Vey (LA)
Ryan Kesler & 3rd - 1st, Sbisa, Bonino, 3rd (Ana)
3rd - Dorsett (NYR)
Garrison, Costello, & 7th - 2nd (TB)

2013-2014 Season:

Raphael Diaz - 5th (NYR)
Roberto Luongo & Stevem Anthony - Jacob Markstron & Shawn Matthias (Fla)
Patrick Mullen - Jeff Costello (Ott)
Dale Weise - Raphael Diaz (Mtl)
Kellan Tochkin & 4th - Zac Dalpe & Jeremy Welsh (Car)
Cory Schneider - 1st (NJ)

2012-2013 Season:
Kevin Connauton & 2nd - Derek Roy (Dal)

2011-2012 Season:

Sebastien Erixon - Andrew Gordon (Ana)
Alexander Sulzer & Cody Hodgson - Zack Kassian & Marc-Andre Gragnani (Buf)
Taylor Ellington, 4th, & 4th - Samuel Pahlsson (Clb)
Marco Sturm & Mikael Samuelsson - Steven Reinprecht, David Booth, & 3rd (Fla)
Sergei Shirokov - Mike Duco (Fla)
Christian Ehrhoff - 4th (NYI)
2nd - 3rd & 4th (Min)

2010-2011 Season:
Joel Perreault & 3rd - Maxim Lapierre & MacGregor Sharp (Ana)
Evan Oberg & 3rd - Christopher Higgins (Fla)
Sean Zimmerman - Nathan Paetsch (Fla)
Darcy Hordichuk - Andrew Peters (Fla)
Dan Gendur & Shane O'Brien - Jonas Andersson & Ryan Parent (Nas)
Steve Bernier, Michael Grabner, & 1st - Keith Ballard & Victor Oreskovich (Fla)

2009-2010 Season:
Pierre-Cedric Labrie - Yan Stastny (St.L)
Mathieu Schneider - Sean Zimmerman & 6th (Ari)
3rd - Andrew Alberts (Car)
Daniel Rahimi & Patrick White - Christian Ehrhoff & Brad Lukowich (SJ)
Shaun Heshka - 7th (Ari)

2008-2009 Season:
Mike Brown - Nathan McIver (Ana)
Jason Labarbera - 7th (LA)
Future Considerations - Jim Sharrow (Atl)
Lukas Krajicek & Juraj Simek - Shane O'Brien & Michel Ouellet (TB)
2nd & 3rd - Steve Bernier (Buf)

2007-2008 Season:
Matt Cooke - Matt Pettinger (Was)
Francois-Pierre Guenette - Zack Fitzgerald (St.L)
Jason King - Ryan Shannon (Ana)
Jesse Schultz - Jim Sharrow (Atl)

2006-2007 Season:
Cash - Dave Fortier & Ralph Stewart (NYI)
2nd - Bryan Smolinski (Chi)
2nd & 4th - Brent Sopel (LA)
Joe Rullier - Colby Genoway (Ana)
Future Considerations - Drew MacIntyre (Det)
4th - Taylor Pyatt (Buf)
Dan Cloutier - 2nd & 3rd (LA)
Bryan Allen, Alex Auld, Todd Bertuzzi - Roberto Luongo, Lukas Krajicek & 6th (Fla)
4th - Tommi Santala & 5th (Atl)

2005-2006 Season:
Tomas Mojzis & 3rd - Eric Weinrich (St.L)
4th - Sean Brown (NJ)
Brett Skinner & 2nd - Juha Alen & Keith Carney (Ana)
2nd - Mika Noronen (Buf)
Steve McCarthy - 4th (Atl)
5th - Maxime Ouellet (Was)
Fedor Fedorov - Jozef Balej (NYR)
Future Considerations - Craig Darby (TB)
Brent Sopel - 2nd (NYI)
3rd - 3rd (Dal)

2003-2004 Season:
Rene Vydareny - Sylvain Blouin (Mtl)
Ryan Ready - Sergei Varlamov (St.L)
3rd - Geoff Sanderson (Clb)
7th - Marc Bergevin (Pit)
Martin Grenier & R.J. Umberger - Martin Rucinsky (NYR)
Tyler Moss - Peter Sarno (Edm)
Jiri Slegr - Future Considerations (Bos)
Future Considerations - Wade Brookbank (Nash)
Zenith Komarniski - Sean Pronger (Clb)
2nd - Johan Hedberg (Pit)
Bryan Helmer - Martin Grenier (Ari)

2002-2003 Season:
3rd - Brad May (Ari)
Todd Warriner - Future Considerations (Phi)
Steve Kariya - Mikko Jokela (NJ)
Jeff Farkas - Chris Herperger & Chris Nielsen (Atl)
Harold Druken & Jan Hlavac - Darren Langdon & Marek Malik (Car)
Peter Schaefer - Sami Salo (Ott)
Brad Leeb - Tomas Mojzis (Tor)
Ryan Bonni - 8th (Tor)
Josh Holden - Jeff Farkas (Tor)

2001-2002 Season:
Drake Berehowsky & Denis Pederson - Tyler Bouck, Trevor Letowski, Todd Warriner, & 3rd (Ari)
Donald Brashear & 6th - Jan Hlavac & 3rd (Phi)
1st & 2nd - Trevor Linden & 2nd (Was)
2nd & 3rd - Alex Auld (Fla)

2000-2001 Season:
2nd - Drake Berehowsky (Nas)
Felix Potvin - 3rd (LA)
Adrian Aucoin & 2nd - Dan Cloutier (TB)
9th - Mike Stapleton (NYI)
Brad May - Future Consideratins (Ari)
2nd & 3rd - 2nd & 3rd (Atl)

1999-2000 Season:
Alexander Mogilny - Brendan Morrison & Denis Pederson (NJ)
2nd & 3rd - Vadim Sharifijanov & 3rd (NJ)
Bill Muckalt, Dave Scatchard, & Kevin Weekes - Felix Potvin, 2nd, & 3rd (NYI)
3rd - Corey Schwab (Atl)
1st, 3rd, & 3rd - 1st (TB)
6th - 6th (SJ)
Bryan McCabe & 1st - 1st (Chi)
1st - 1st & 3rd (Atl)
4th & 9th - Future Considerations (Atl)
6th - Pat Kavanagh (Phi)
SopelFan wrote:This is up there on his on his list of 40 injuries with the snake bite and the busted nut.
In reference to Salo hurting himself playing whiffleball.
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Post #133 by Vector » Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:55 pm

Here's all the significant trades that occurred during this time period. I split them up into Hit, Miss, or Even. You could probably just evenly split Even into the other two categories.

Hit: (16) (33%)

Bryan McCabe & 1st - 1st (Chi)
Felix Potvin - 3rd (LA)
2nd & 3rd - Alex Auld (Fla)
Donald Brashear & 6th - Jan Hlavac & 3rd (Phi)
Harold Druken & Jan Hlavac - Darren Langdon & Marek Malik (Car)
Peter Schaefer - Sami Salo (Ott)
Drake Berehowsky & Denis Pederson - Tyler Bouck, Trevor Letowski, Todd Warriner, & 3rd (Ari)
2nd - Johan Hedberg (Pit)
7th - Marc Bergevin (Pit)
4th - Taylor Pyatt (Buf)
Dan Cloutier - 2nd & 3rd
Bryan Allen, Alex Auld, Todd Bertuzzi - Roberto Luongo, Lukas Krajicek & 6th
Daniel Rahimi & Patrick White - Christian Ehrhoff & Brad Lukowich (SJ)
Joel Perreault & 3rd - Maxim Lapierre & MacGregor Sharp (Ana)
Evan Oberg & 3rd - Christopher Higgins (Fla)
Alexander Sulzer & Cody Hodgson - Zack Kassian & Marc-Andre Gragnani (Buf)

Miss: (22) (46%)
2nd & 3rd - Vadim Sharifijanov & 3rd (NJ)
Bill Muckalt, Dave Scatchard, & Kevin Weekes - Felix Potvin, 2nd, & 3rd (NYI)
Adrian Aucoin & 2nd - Dan Cloutier (TB)
Brad May - Future Consideratins (Ari)
2nd - Drake Berehowsky (Nas)
3rd - Brad May (Ari)
3rd - Geoff Sanderson (Clb)
Martin Grenier & R.J. Umberger - Martin Rucinsky (NYR)
Brent Sopel - 2nd (NYI)
Steve McCarthy - 4th (Atl)
Tomas Mojzis & 3rd - Eric Weinrich (St.L)
4th - Sean Brown (NJ)
Brett Skinner & 2nd - Juha Alen & Keith Carney (Ana)
2nd - Mika Noronen (Buf)
Matt Cooke - Matt Pettinger (Was)
2nd - Bryan Smolinski (Chi)
2nd & 4th - Brent Sopel (LA)
3rd - Andrew Alberts (Car)
Taylor Ellington, 4th, & 4th - Samuel Pahlsson (Clb)
Marco Sturm & Mikael Samuelsson - Steven Reinprecht, David Booth, & 3rd (Fla)
Kevin Connauton & 2nd - Derek Roy (Dal)
Dale Weise - Raphael Diaz (Mtl)

Even: (10) (21%)
Alexander Mogilny - Brendan Morrison & Denis Pederson (NJ)
1st & 2nd - Trevor Linden & 2nd (Was)
4th - Tommi Santala & 5th
Lukas Krajicek & Juraj Simek - Shane O'Brien & Michel Ouellet (TB)
2nd & 3rd - Steve Bernier (Buf)
Steve Bernier, Michael Grabner, & 1st - Keith Ballard & Victor Oreskovich (Fla)
Dan Gendur & Shane O'Brien - Jonas Andersson & Ryan Parent (Nas)
Kellan Tochkin & 4th - Zac Dalpe & Jeremy Welsh (Car)
Cory Schneider - 1st (NJ)
Roberto Luongo & Stevem Anthony - Jacob Markstron & Shawn Matthias (Fla)
SopelFan wrote:This is up there on his on his list of 40 injuries with the snake bite and the busted nut.
In reference to Salo hurting himself playing whiffleball.
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Post #134 by aptar » Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:11 pm

I did a copy and paste and started breaking them down as win, lose, tie or who cares, and with the rule that I can't take more than 10 seconds to decide on any (so purely from memory). That was really hard and I don't stand by any of my choices.

2014-2015 Season:
[color="darkslategray"][color="dimgray"]Kellan Lain - Will Acton (Edm) / WHO CARES[/color][/color]
[color="blue"]2nd - Linden Vey (LA) / WIN[/color]
[color="red"]Ryan Kesler & 3rd - 1st, Sbisa, Bonino, 3rd (Ana) / LOSE[/color]
[color="blue"]3rd - Dorsett (NYR) / WIN[/color]
[color="red"]Garrison, Costello, & 7th - 2nd (TB) / LOSE[/color]

2013-2014 Season:
[color="red"]Raphael Diaz - 5th (NYR) / LOSE[/color]
Roberto Luongo & Stevem Anthony - Jacob Markstron & Shawn Matthias (Fla) / TIE
[color="darkslategray"]Patrick Mullen - Jeff Costello (Ott) / WHO CARES[/color]
[color="red"]Dale Weise - Raphael Diaz (Mtl) / LOSE[/color]
[color="darkslategray"]Kellan Tochkin & 4th - Zac Dalpe & Jeremy Welsh (Car) / WHO CARES[/color]
[color="red"]Cory Schneider - 1st (NJ) / LOSE[/color]

2012-2013 Season:
[color="red"]Kevin Connauton & 2nd - Derek Roy (Dal) / LOSE[/color]

2011-2012 Season:
[color="darkslategray"]Sebastien Erixon - Andrew Gordon (Ana) / WHO CARES[/color]
[color="blue"]Alexander Sulzer & Cody Hodgson - Zack Kassian & Marc-Andre Gragnani (Buf) / WIN[/color]
[color="red"]Taylor Ellington, 4th, & 4th - Samuel Pahlsson (Clb) / LOSE[/color]
Marco Sturm & Mikael Samuelsson - Steven Reinprecht, David Booth, & 3rd (Fla) / TIE
[color="darkslategray"]Sergei Shirokov - Mike Duco (Fla) / WHO CARES[/color]
[color="blue"]Christian Ehrhoff - 4th (NYI) / WIN[/color]
2nd - 3rd & 4th (Min) / TIE

2010-2011 Season:
[color="blue"]Joel Perreault & 3rd - Maxim Lapierre & MacGregor Sharp (Ana) / WIN
Evan Oberg & 3rd - Christopher Higgins (Fla) / WIN [/color]
[color="darkslategray"]Sean Zimmerman - Nathan Paetsch (Fla) / WHO CARES[/color]
Darcy Hordichuk - Andrew Peters (Fla) / TIE
Dan Gendur & Shane O'Brien - Jonas Andersson & Ryan Parent (Nas) / TIE
[color="red"]Steve Bernier, Michael Grabner, & 1st - Keith Ballard & Victor Oreskovich (Fla) / LOSE[/color]

2009-2010 Season:
[color="darkslategray"]Pierre-Cedric Labrie - Yan Stastny (St.L) / WHO CARES
Mathieu Schneider - Sean Zimmerman & 6th (Ari) / WHO CARES[/color]
[color="blue"]3rd - Andrew Alberts (Car) / WIN[/color]
[color="blue"]Daniel Rahimi & Patrick White - Christian Ehrhoff & Brad Lukowich (SJ) / WIN[/color]
[color="darkslategray"]Shaun Heshka - 7th (Ari) / WHO CARES[/color]

2008-2009 Season:
[color="red"]Mike Brown - Nathan McIver (Ana) / LOSE[/color]
[color="blue"]Jason Labarbera - 7th (LA) / WIN[/color]
[color="darkslategray"]Future Considerations - Jim Sharrow (Atl) / WHO CARES[/color]
Lukas Krajicek & Juraj Simek - Shane O'Brien & Michel Ouellet (TB) / TIE
[color="red"]2nd & 3rd - Steve Bernier (Buf) / LOSE[/color]

2007-2008 Season:
[color="red"]Matt Cooke - Matt Pettinger (Was) / LOSE[/color]
[color="darkslategray"]Francois-Pierre Guenette - Zack Fitzgerald (St.L) / WHO CARES[/color]
Jason King - Ryan Shannon (Ana) / TIE
[color="blue"]Jesse Schultz - Jim Sharrow (Atl) / WIN[/color]

2006-2007 Season:
[color="darkslategray"]Cash - Dave Fortier & Ralph Stewart (NYI) / WHO CARES[/color]
[color="red"]2nd - Bryan Smolinski (Chi) / LOSE
2nd & 4th - Brent Sopel (LA) / LOSE [/color]
[color="darkslategray"]Joe Rullier - Colby Genoway (Ana) / WHO CARES
Future Considerations - Drew MacIntyre (Det) / WHO CARES[/color]
[color="blue"]4th - Taylor Pyatt (Buf) / WIN[/color]
[color="blue"]Dan Cloutier - 2nd & 3rd (LA) / WIN[/color]
[color="blue"]Bryan Allen, Alex Auld, Todd Bertuzzi - Roberto Luongo, Lukas Krajicek & 6th (Fla) / WIN[/color]
4th - Tommi Santala & 5th (Atl) / TIE

2005-2006 Season:
[color="red"]Tomas Mojzis & 3rd - Eric Weinrich (St.L) / LOSE[/color]
[color="blue"]4th - Sean Brown (NJ) / WIN[/color]
Brett Skinner & 2nd - Juha Alen & Keith Carney (Ana) / LOSE
[color="red"]2nd - Mika Noronen (Buf) / LOSE
Steve McCarthy - 4th (Atl) / LOSE[/color]
5th - Maxime Ouellet (Was) / TIE
Fedor Fedorov - Jozef Balej (NYR) / TIE
Future Considerations - Craig Darby (TB) / TIE
[color="blue"]Brent Sopel - 2nd (NYI) / WIN[/color]
3rd - 3rd (Dal) / TIE

2003-2004 Season:
[color="darkslategray"]Rene Vydareny - Sylvain Blouin (Mtl) / WHO CARES[/color]
[color="red"]Ryan Ready - Sergei Varlamov (St.L) / LOSE[/color]
[color="blue"]3rd - Geoff Sanderson (Clb) / WIN
7th - Marc Bergevin (Pit) / WIN[/color]
[color="red"]Martin Grenier & R.J. Umberger - Martin Rucinsky (NYR) / LOSE[/color]
Tyler Moss - Peter Sarno (Edm) / WHO CARES
[color="red"]Jiri Slegr - Future Considerations (Bos) / LOSE[/color]
[color="blue"]Future Considerations - Wade Brookbank (Nash) WIN[/color]
Zenith Komarniski - Sean Pronger (Clb) / TIE
[color="blue"]2nd - Johan Hedberg (Pit) / WIN[/color]
Bryan Helmer - Martin Grenier (Ari) / TIE

2002-2003 Season:
3rd - Brad May (Ari) / WIN
[color="darkslategray"]Todd Warriner - Future Considerations (Phi) / WHO CARES[/color]
[color="darkslategray"]Steve Kariya - Mikko Jokela (NJ) / WHO CARES
Jeff Farkas - Chris Herperger & Chris Nielsen (Atl) / WHO CARES[/color]
[color="blue"]Harold Druken & Jan Hlavac - Darren Langdon & Marek Malik (Car) / WIN
Peter Schaefer - Sami Salo (Ott) / WIN
Brad Leeb - Tomas Mojzis (Tor) / WIN[/color]
Ryan Bonni - 8th (Tor) WHO CARES
[color="darkslategray"]Josh Holden - Jeff Farkas (Tor) / WHO CARES
[/color]
2001-2002 Season:
[color="blue"]Drake Berehowsky & Denis Pederson - Tyler Bouck, Trevor Letowski, Todd Warriner, & 3rd (Ari) / WIN
Donald Brashear & 6th - Jan Hlavac & 3rd (Phi) / WIN
1st & 2nd - Trevor Linden & 2nd (Was) / WIN
2nd & 3rd - Alex Auld (Fla) / WIN[/color]

2000-2001 Season:
[color="blue"]2nd - Drake Berehowsky (Nas) / WIN
Felix Potvin - 3rd (LA) / WIN
Adrian Aucoin & 2nd - Dan Cloutier (TB) / WIN[/color]
9th - Mike Stapleton (NYI) / WHO CARES
[color="blue"]Brad May - Future Consideratins (Ari) / WIN[/color]
2nd & 3rd - 2nd & 3rd (Atl) / TIE

1999-2000 Season:
[color="blue"]Alexander Mogilny - Brendan Morrison & Denis Pederson (NJ) / WIN[/color]
2nd & 3rd - Vadim Sharifijanov & 3rd (NJ) / TIE
[color="blue"]Bill Muckalt, Dave Scatchard, & Kevin Weekes - Felix Potvin, 2nd, & 3rd (NYI) / WIN[/color]
[color="darkslategray"]3rd - Corey Schwab (Atl) / WHO CARES[/color]
1st, 3rd, & 3rd - 1st (TB) / ?
6th - 6th (SJ) / TIE
[color="blue"]Bryan McCabe & 1st - 1st (Chi) / WIN WIN WIN[/color]
1st - 1st & 3rd (Atl) / TIE
[color="darkslategray"]4th & 9th - Future Considerations (Atl) / WHO CARES[/color]
6th - Pat Kavanagh (Phi) / TIE
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Post #135 by Vector » Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:16 pm

You were way nicer than I was. You have 33 wins and 19 losses. We're mostly split on the smaller deals. I'd rather have the draft picks and you'd rather have the players. Kinda irrelevant for most of them, though.
SopelFan wrote:This is up there on his on his list of 40 injuries with the snake bite and the busted nut.
In reference to Salo hurting himself playing whiffleball.
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Post #136 by Vector » Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:23 pm

If you're confused about the Tampa trade involving firsts in the 1999 draft:

Canucks traded Bryan McCabe & 1st next year for the 4th overall (Chicago).Then traded the 4th overal and two 3rds for the 1st overall (Tampa Bay). They then took the 1st overall and swapped to Atlanta in exchange for the 2nd overall and a 3rd. The reason the Canucks did this was because they had the 3rd overall.

Tampa Bay would go on to trade the 4th overall to the Rangers for Dan Cloutier, Niklas Sundstrom, a 1st in the 2000 draft, and a 3rd.

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SopelFan wrote:This is up there on his on his list of 40 injuries with the snake bite and the busted nut.
In reference to Salo hurting himself playing whiffleball.
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Post #137 by aptar » Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:24 pm

Yeah I got soft towards the end. My criteria is really loose, too. Like I consider acquiring Cloutier a win, because he held together some pretty good teams in the regular season that had a lot of turmoil before, then blew up in the playoffs but those teams were a defensive nightmare.

Most of my wins before 2002/03 could easily be ties.
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Post #138 by Cao » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:38 pm

Vector wrote:Miss: (22) (46%)

Brad May - Future Consideratins (Ari)
Steve McCarthy - 4th (Atl)
Matt Cooke - Matt Pettinger (Was)
Taylor Ellington, 4th, & 4th - Samuel Pahlsson (Clb)
Marco Sturm & Mikael Samuelsson - Steven Reinprecht, David Booth, & 3rd (Fla)
Kevin Connauton & 2nd - Derek Roy (Dal)


Even: (10) (21%)
Alexander Mogilny - Brendan Morrison & Denis Pederson (NJ)
Roberto Luongo & Stevem Anthony - Jacob Markstron & Shawn Matthias (Fla)


I'd move those misses to the even section.

May, McCarthy, and Connauton are pretty dime a dozen - Roy was a necessary gap to fill for the playoffs.
Simply removing Cooke from the locker room was a plus, and Pettinger was serviceable.
Like Roy, Pahlsson was a necessary gap we had to fill for the playoffs given how ineffective Malhotra had become.
Getting rid of Sturm is a plus in itself, and Booth was very good here his first year. So at worst it's an even trade.

And those two evens to the win section.

Mogilny for Morrison is an absolute win. Getting rid of an aging star, as well as he played here, for our first line centre for 5 seasons is a great deal.
Getting rid of Luongo's deal was great. What they did after was stupid of course, but Matthias has proven to be very effective, and Markstrom is tearing up the AHL...
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Post #139 by King Ryan » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:58 pm

I don't see the Kesler deal as a lose, really. A 1st and Bonino@1.9M is pretty great, even if Sbisa sucks.
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Post #140 by Killface » Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:19 pm

Biega sent down and Sanguinetti back up. Would like to see him get a chance this time around.
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Post #141 by Vector » Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:44 pm

SopelFan wrote:This is up there on his on his list of 40 injuries with the snake bite and the busted nut.
In reference to Salo hurting himself playing whiffleball.
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Post #142 by aptar » Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:23 pm

If only that article had come out last year, and been published in a Boston paper, Benning might have made an intelligent decision with contract negotiations in the offseason.
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Post #143 by yumphod » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:23 am

so were definitely gonna lose tanev this offseason..great
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Post #144 by King Ryan » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:46 am

I dunno. Tanev still isn't going to get much respect from around the NHL I don't think, unless teams are really into the advanced metrics which I'm not sure how many are, and Benning at the very least seems like the kind of GM who listens to his coach. Desjardins clearly understands the value that Tanev brings and wouldn't be happy with losing his top shutdown defender.
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Post #145 by aptar » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:31 pm

yumphod wrote:so were definitely gonna lose tanev this offseason..great


No, we're going to lose him in a few weeks in a package with Kassian for Milan Lucic and a pick.
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Post #146 by aptar » Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:00 am

'Jim Benning' wrote:We're keeping our first-round pick...wont be trading.


What a stupid thing to say in January. I mean...sure, you can make the sentiment, something like "at this point, we intend to keep the pick." But what happens if a great opportunity to upgrade long term comes along and a 1st is required to get the deal done? Now you look like a lying fool.
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Post #147 by Cao » Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:44 am

Nonis: Hey Jim, just wanted to see if you were interested in getting Phil Kessel. Looking to rebuild and I want a 1st, a 2nd, and Hunter Shinkaruk.

Benning: Sorry Dave, I told everyone in January that I wouldn't be trading my 1st round pick, so I can't do it.
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Post #148 by Tripwyre » Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:47 am

Ehh, he said it right after a two-hour conference call with his amateur scouts regarding this year's draft class. It's an endorsement of the scouts more than anything else, because nothing kills those guys more than dealing away your top picks and invalidating their entire year's work.

Also, the Canucks relative competitiveness in the early part of the season aside, this is a team that should be sticking up on as much cheap young talent as it can. Dealing away a first to augment this group into the playoffs would be massively incompetent.

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