All Purpose NHL Thread 3

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Post #451 by Vector » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:27 pm

Hooker wrote:I've been watching it and it looks like pre-season hockey.


Because it is. Everything about this tournament is a bad idea.
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Post #452 by yumphod » Fri Sep 30, 2016 4:41 pm

canada won...zzz
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Post #453 by 19nazzy » Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:09 pm

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/jim-ru ... eing-a-gm/

The league always moves in cycles. And there’s not just one way to win. When I came to Pittsburgh in 2014, the trends had been flip-flopping back and forth. L.A. won with size and physicality. Chicago won with skill and discipline. (Personally, the Blackhawks are my favorite team to watch and learn from.) Then the Kings won again … size again. Then Chicago won again … skill again. Once a team wins with a certain philosophy, the rest of the league moves to either copy or counter it.

The answer isn’t to follow along with the trends. The answer is to figure out the best identity for your team.

I think someone needs to send this to Jim
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Post #454 by yumphod » Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:58 pm

Go back 5 years and send it to Aquilini
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Post #455 by Killface » Thu Oct 06, 2016 5:19 pm

This season could be really bad for Benning.

Forsling, Shinkaruk, Tkachuk, Sergachev, and Chychrun are all looking like they could make the NHL this year. I don't blame him for Juolevi over the other defencemen, but I think Tkachuk was a no-brainer pick.

Forsling in particular is looking like he could make an impact this season. Getting rave reviews out of Chicago. Quenneville called him a special player.

Ehlers and Nylander look ready to have big seasons as well. Meanwhile Virtanen could be seeing significant AHL time.
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Post #456 by Hooker » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:10 am

I'm still astonished that Benning dumped Forsling when Benning drafted him. I can understand dumping the previous administration's prospects, but trading your own best pick is just mind-boggling. Like, I don't even...

EDIT: Not to mention he traded him at such low value. He was just starting to show promise and then, whoop, gone. It's so infuriating that it actually makes me kind of dumbstruck. My fascination outweighs my anger.
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Post #457 by King Ryan » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:36 am

It was probably Eric Crawford's pick. Fuck that guy.
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Post #458 by Killface » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:38 am

Yeah, I think Forsling had to be a scout pick that Benning had little input on. As Hooker said, how do you trade your top performing draft pick just months later?

Whoever scouted him must be choked.
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Post #459 by Cao » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:53 am

It's okay, Gradin seems to be good for picking one excellent Swedish defenseman every 10 years or so, so we just have to wait until the 20s. That's asset management.
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Post #460 by Jyrki21 » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:15 pm

From the very moment Forsling was picked, the immediate reaction was "This doesn't sound like a Benning player". He has Gradin written all over him.

Although in defense of Benning, since then, he has actually shown to have less of a "type" than initially speculated. But either way, it was weeks after he was hired, and there's good reason to believe he didn't have a ton of input past Virtanen. I do tend to put Mackenze Stewart on him, though, just because he so exemplifies the "character" and "adversity" stuff that Benning loves.
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Post #461 by Vector » Fri Oct 07, 2016 7:29 pm

Stewart was a Delorme pick. Benning has given more of an ear to Delorme than Gillis did.

In short, Delorme is terrible.
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Post #462 by Killface » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:13 pm

Etem was placed on waivers by Anaheim. If the Canucks are the only team to put in a claim, then they can send him directly to the AHL without waivers.

Or they could just keep him up and send Virtanen down.
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Post #463 by Killface » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:56 pm

Killface wrote:This season could be really bad for Benning.

Forsling, Shinkaruk, Tkachuk, Sergachev, and Chychrun are all looking like they could make the NHL this year. I don't blame him for Juolevi over the other defencemen, but I think Tkachuk was a no-brainer pick.

Forsling in particular is looking like he could make an impact this season. Getting rave reviews out of Chicago. Quenneville called him a special player.

Ehlers and Nylander look ready to have big seasons as well. Meanwhile Virtanen could be seeing significant AHL time.

Update:

Forsling and Chychrun are regular defencemen for Chicago and Arizona.

Tkachuk has 6 points in 10 games (would be leading the Canucks in scoring).

Nylander has 11 points in 11 games. He's the top scoring rookie and was named Rookie of the Month for October.

Ehlers has "only" 4 points in 11 games. He's playing top six minutes though and has 27 shots. The points will probably come.

Sergachev and Shinkaruk were sent down.
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Post #464 by Killface » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:59 pm

I think Stewart could have been a Delomre or Benning/ Weisbrod pick. All of them love intangibles and over coming adversity.

Even if Benning wasn't behind the pick, he was fan enough to give him a NHL contract after an awful season in junior a whole year before it was necessary. That's even worse than the pick itself imo.
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Post #465 by rod stewart » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:00 pm

our best young players (horvat, hutton, tanev, markstrom) were acquired by gillis. so much for the 'benning = draft guru' narrative
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Post #466 by Vector » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:25 pm

Here's how the entire roster is composed:

Henrik Sedin - Burke
Daniel Sedin - Burke
Jannik Hansen - Burke
Alexander Edler - Burke

Alexandre Burrows - Nonis

Bo Horvat - Gillis
Chris Tanev - Gillis
Ben Hutton - Gillis
Brendan Gaunce - Gillis
Jacob Markstrom - Gillis

Brandon Sutter - Benning
Loui Eriksson - Benning
Markus Granlund - Benning
Pihlip Larsen - Benning
Erik Gudbranson - Benning
Sven Baertschi - Benning
Derek Dorsett - Benning
Jake Virtanen - Benning
Luca Sbisa - Benning
Alex Biega - Benning
Nikita Tryamkin - Benning
Troy Stecher - Benning
Ryan Miller - Benning
Jack Skille - Benning
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Post #467 by Jyrki21 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:15 pm

There's obviously a bit of survivor bias doing it that way, since only the best guys from a GM's tenure are likely to have staying power. But still, that's quite a contrast.
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Post #468 by Vector » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:28 pm

For comparison's sake, here's Gillis' third year at the same time.

Burke:
Daniel Sedin
Henrik Sedin
Ryan Kesler
Alexander Edler
Jannik Hansen
Kevin Bieksa
Sami Salo
Cory Schneider

Nonis:
Alexandre Burrows
Mason Raymond
Roberto Luongo
Alexandre Bolduc

Gillis:
Mikael Samuelsson
Christian Ehrhoff
Manny Malhotra
Raffi Torres
Dan Hamhuis
Jeff Tambellini
Tanner Glass
Keith Ballard
Andrew Alberts
Aaron Rome
Chris Tanev
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Post #469 by Hooker » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:00 pm

Have we had a player as good as Luongo or the Sedins since the Luongo - Bertuzzi trade?
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Post #470 by 19nazzy » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:08 pm

Kesler had a decent stretch.
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Post #471 by Hooker » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:53 pm

Well, I meant to say acquired. Have we acquired a star player since 2006?
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Post #472 by Killface » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:02 pm

NHL All Star Radim Vrbata. Him and Ehrhoff would probably be the closest.

So no.
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Post #473 by Killface » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:05 pm

Or Tanev.
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Post #474 by Killface » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:07 pm

Killface wrote: Ehlers has "only" 4 points in 11 games. He's playing top six minutes though and has 27 shots. The points will probably come.

Ehlers now has 8 points in 12 games.
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Post #475 by Vector » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:12 pm

Mats Sundin.

Vrbata and Demitra were stars but definitely complimentary pieces.
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Post #476 by Vector » Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:52 pm

According to Dreger, the new Islanders management are interested in talking to Gillis and Gilman. They haven't asked the Canucks permission yet. I'm not sure how much longer those guys' contracts were due to run. I can see a situation where they expire this offseason and the Islanders hire them both leaving the Canucks with nothing.
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Post #477 by 19nazzy » Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:11 pm

Can someone explain why when these guys get fired, their old teams still need to give permission? I don't quite understand it, isn't their contract no longer in effect?
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Post #478 by Vector » Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:29 pm

19nazzy wrote:Can someone explain why when these guys get fired, their old teams still need to give permission? I don't quite understand it, isn't their contract no longer in effect?


The contract is still under effect and they are still being paid. Basically, the team still has to honour the financial aspect of the contract but has relieved them of their duties.
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Post #479 by Jyrki21 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 7:22 pm

Yeah, it would be a breach of contract if they just stopped paying them, so instead they ask them to just go home and keep them on payroll.

It's one of the reasons I have no issue with the "Tortorella for a 2nd" situation – if you ponied up the money for the asset, you should be able to derive benefit from it.
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Post #480 by 19nazzy » Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:07 pm

Ok, I had always assumed that basically the contract is done and they just get it paid out when they get fired.
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Post #481 by Vector » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:45 pm

Same reason Canucks got a 2nd from the Ducks when they hired Carlyle.
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Post #482 by aptar » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:06 am

For some reason I thought Gillis' contract was 5 x 2. He was hired in 2008 so was it really an 8 year deal or did he get re upped?
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Post #483 by King Ryan » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:20 am

he got re-upped for an undisclosed term. In like 2012-2013 if i recall.
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Post #484 by Vector » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:23 am

Just dig a little digging and Ryan is correct. Signed an extension after the 2012 playoffs. No reports on how long the extension was, however.
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Post #485 by iloveloov » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:12 am

Tkachuk is a piece of shit

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Post #486 by Hooker » Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:31 pm

Shit on shit violence.
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Post #487 by King Ryan » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:11 am

This is pretty funny...

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Post #488 by Killface » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:40 pm

What the fuck Chicago. They downgrade from Hjalmarsson to Murphy and only gain $250k in savings and a mediocre prospect. And then they downgrade from Panarin to Saad at the same cap hit and only gain an unproven backup goalie.



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Post #489 by Vector » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:11 pm

Holy shit. I figured they thought of Panarin as part of the core. That seems insane.
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Post #490 by Killface » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:41 pm

Even if they weren't going to re-sign Panarin, they still had him under contract for two years. There was no rush to move him. I guess they just really wanted Saad back. Lmao.

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Post #491 by Vector » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:46 pm

So dumb but I'm happy about it.
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Post #492 by MP » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:42 pm

Benning is an idiot.
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Post #493 by Vector » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:47 pm

MP wrote:Benning is an idiot.


He really truly is.

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