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Post #301 by Killface » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:46 pm

I guess Benning was the brains of the Bruins operation.

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"We did an exercise before the draft and found Milan, Reilly, Dougie scored 41 G. Beleskey and Hayes scored 41 G. Goals out, Goal in." -D.S.

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Post #302 by Vector » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:22 pm

Hahahahahahahaha!!!! What a bunch of cocksucking idiots, if that's true.

Edit: This is in response to aptar but applies to Sweeney.
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Post #303 by VLoo » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:54 pm

Hell of an exercise, counting all the way up to 41.
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Post #304 by Jyrki21 » Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:20 am

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The Canucks didn't think the Ducks would have the resources to re-sign Kesler. Were thus convinced they'd have to accept less in a trade.


Hooooooooooooly shit

Ah Benning. Giving the unearned benefit of the doubt to competing businesses owned by rich businesspeople since 2014.
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Post #305 by aptar » Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:35 pm

It's ok guys, Bob Murray called him up after and said he got a very good return from Kesler in the deal, and that he "drives a hard bargain".
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Post #306 by Killface » Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:47 pm

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Post #307 by Killface » Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:48 pm

Big thanks to the Maple Leafs and Wyatt Arndt for letting this photo resurface.
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Post #308 by Cao » Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:36 am

Man, crazy how Carolina signed this guy as a free agent and developed him like that. Looks like they'll never trade him in favour of keeping an aging, declining goalie like Cam Ward.



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Post #309 by Killface » Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:37 pm

Bieksa :(

"You quickly realize that it's a business and you're an asset," Bieksa said. "As long as you've been in one place and as much as you've given, at the end of the day you're just as asset. That became pretty evident to me during this whole process. There were a lot of false promises out there. And the best thing you can do is keep an even keel."


Bieksa ;)

"I didn't even have to ask, I knew it was him," Kesler laughed. "I come out and my windshield wipers are sticking right up. I said, 'Juice is back.'"

"Juice" is not denying his culpability.

"Oh, I'll admit to it," Kevin Bieksa said this week, mischievous smile and all. "Somebody's got to keep Kes honest. He just signed the big deal. He's obviously one of the leaders of the team. And when he double parks somebody and everyone else is squeezing to get out, something's going to happen to his car."


http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/13718 ... -teammates

Of course Kesler double parks.
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Post #310 by aptar » Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:49 pm

The evidence kit of the girl Kane raped ends up on her mom's doorstep. What in the actual fuck.
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Post #311 by Vector » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:02 pm

aptar wrote:The evidence kit of the girl Kane raped ends up on her mom's doorstep. What in the actual fuck.


Just read that. Fucking insane.
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Post #312 by aptar » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:06 pm

Can't wait until Kane's star witness is Dr Recchi.
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Post #313 by Killface » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:14 pm

aptar wrote:The evidence kit of the girl Kane raped ends up on her mom's doorstep. What in the actual fuck.


What the fuck
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Post #314 by vf » Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:39 pm

aptar wrote:The evidence kit of the girl Kane raped ends up on her mom's doorstep. What in the actual fuck.


I thought it was just the bag that contained everything, but, nothing from the actual kit.

Either way it's not why I stopped by. Leafs just signed Mike Gerritt. Says he is a former Nucks scout. Never heard of him, is he any decent?
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Post #315 by Cao » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:40 pm

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aptar wrote:The evidence kit of the girl Kane raped ends up on her mom's doorstep. What in the actual fuck.


I thought it was just the bag that contained everything, but, nothing from the actual kit.

Either way it's not why I stopped by. Leafs just signed Mike Gerritt. Says he is a former Nucks scout. Never heard of him, is he any decent?


I've never heard of him but the Canucks have regularly done poorly at the amateur scouting level. Their pro scouting was hit or miss under Gillis.
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Post #316 by Killface » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:43 pm

If he's a WHL or QMJHL scout then he is probably awful. If he's a US or OHL scout he might be okay.
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Post #317 by vf » Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:43 pm

This was my initial fear. You have done nothing to assuage my initial reaction.
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Post #318 by Vector » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:28 am

The amateur scouting department is definitely not where other teams would want ex-Canucks employees. Pro scouting and hockey ops? Definitely. The Canucks draft records have been a barren wasteland in recent years.
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Post #319 by aptar » Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:24 pm

Still not sure if this team suffers from bad drafting or just bad development. A lot of should-be-goods have fallen off the map.
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Post #320 by Cao » Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:30 pm

aptar wrote:Still not sure if this team suffers from bad drafting or just bad development. A lot of should-be-goods have fallen off the map.

i lean towards bad drafting. there are always should-be-goods that don't make it. ideally you want the majority of your draft class to be at least contributing AHL players, because you're fulfilling the "ability to play at a professional level" part down. some of our guys don't even stick in the ECHL.
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Post #321 by Hooker » Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:25 am

Plus, the king of fucking up development is Toronto and players tend to turn out pretty well after they get out of that cesspit. Brad Boyes, Alex Steen, Anton Stralman, Jiri's Tlusty.
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Post #322 by Tripwyre » Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:52 pm

Steen was still good in Toronto. That trade never made a lick of sense.
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Post #323 by Killface » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:15 pm

It's hard for me to buy that we have a problem developing prospects when the problem has gone back 4 NHL GMs, 5 AHL franchises, 7 AHL head coaches, and 1 head scout.
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Post #324 by King Ryan » Wed Sep 30, 2015 2:14 am

I don't know. Most of our prospects over that time have either developed into regular NHL players, or washed out before even playing in the AHL. Most of the high-ish draft picks who made it to our AHL teams went on to become decent NHLers. Our development from that perspective was mostly pretty good, the problem is the Patrick Whites who never even made it to a level where they could develop them at. That's just crappy drafting.

Our development most recently has sucked though. Schroeder and Jensen are solid busts and Shinkaruk is teetering on the edge. Corrado has also been completely ruined somehow. Gaunce seems to be developing alright at least.
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Post #325 by 19nazzy » Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:27 pm

Canes, Lack agree on contract extension: $2.5 million next season, $3 million in 2017-18.

Ryan Miller $6m
Markstrom $1.55m
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Post #326 by aptar » Sat Oct 03, 2015 11:54 pm

I thought he would have been 2 or 3x $4m here.
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Post #327 by Cao » Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:28 am

aptar wrote:I thought he would have been 2 or 3x $4m here.

That's why benning traded him, because he thought lack would want a big contract

Dim Jim, for all his dimness, has an incredibly creative imagination
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Post #328 by Vector » Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:41 am

Cao wrote:
aptar wrote:I thought he would have been 2 or 3x $4m here.

That's why benning traded him, because he thought lack would want a big contract

Dim Jim, for all his dimness, has an incredibly creative imagination


I honestly think that he traded Lack because 1) he viewed him as nothing but a career backup and 2) wanted to take pressure off Miller.
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Post #329 by Cao » Sun Oct 04, 2015 3:46 am

Vector wrote:
Cao wrote:
aptar wrote:I thought he would have been 2 or 3x $4m here.

That's why benning traded him, because he thought lack would want a big contract

Dim Jim, for all his dimness, has an incredibly creative imagination


I honestly think that he traded Lack because 1) he viewed him as nothing but a career backup and 2) wanted to take pressure off Miller.


A full list of reasons why Benning traded Lack

1) saw him as a backup
2) wanted to take pressure off of silver boy miller
3) markstrom was #realgood
4) thought lack was going to leave via FA because he wanted big money
5) thought he could get the most value out of the 3 goalies in a trade
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Post #330 by Hooker » Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:14 am

Well, he was right on that last point.
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Post #332 by Vector » Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:18 pm

Sounds like Kassian wasn't the driver.
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Post #333 by Cao » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:07 pm

Kassian has a broken leg and a broken nose. Could still skate faster than Prust though, I bet.
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Post #334 by 19nazzy » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:32 pm

Torres suspended 41 games. :bettman:
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Post #335 by Cao » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:14 pm

I actually thought the hit was better than people made it out to be. Torres was gliding way before he made contact, so he didn't skate into the hit, and he's got textbook bodychecking form with his shoulder and elbow tucked in as best as he can. He doesn't jump into the hit like Kronwall does, either. And Silfverberg doesn't have possession of the puck for less than half a second before Torres makes contact, so it's not like Torres can just change what he's doing that quickly. Plus I don't think head contact can even be argued to be intentional; everything about Torres' body position is set up for a full bodycheck, not a head hunting maneuver.
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Post #336 by Killface » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:42 pm

Yeah, but it's Torres.
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Post #337 by Cao » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:46 pm

Most of his hits are exactly how body checking is taught in minor hockey. Unfortunately it's too fast a game to make a minor adjustment to avoid head contact.

Feel bad for Raffi. Then again I'm biased.
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Post #338 by 19nazzy » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:57 pm

Killface wrote:Yeah, but it's Torres.

Under NHL rules wasn't he technically not a re-offender?
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Post #339 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:17 pm

Thanks for the heads up on Kassian, you stupid dicklickers.
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Post #340 by 19nazzy » Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:41 pm

Feel free to take back Prust at no charge.
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Post #341 by Hooker » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:39 pm

So are players just not allowed to hit with their shoulders any more? I agree that they're dangerous and would not object to them being banned, but ban them for everyone, not just Raffi the Great.
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Post #342 by Tripwyre » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:00 am

I wrote a version of this in other places today, but may as well put it here too in response to some of the fucking disgusting comments I've seen regarding Kassian today.

A lot of people hopping on the moral high horse or celebrating "winning a trade" because of an athlete's drug addiction, but the game's physicality takes its toll. This is why the Kings voiding Mike Richards' contract is so despicable. He's not some drug addict. He's addicted to high level pain-killers. The game did this to him, and then left him for dead when he bottomed out. It is quite literally chewing someone up and spitting them out.

Does Zack Kassian have a bad back because he goes out partying, or does he go out partying because constant back-pain makes his life hell? He has the skill and vision to not have to play a physical game and it's obvious he'd rather not, but every time he doesn't he gets punished for "not playing how we want him to."

Obviously there are other factors involved (teenage millionaires, hello), but guys like Rypien, Belak, Boogaard aren't dead because they had money and time. They're dead because they wrecked their bodies playing a game that ultimately didn't care about them.
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Post #343 by aptar » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:18 am

Anyone who watches hockey, football or MMA just chooses to be willfully ignorant about the human side otherwise it's hard to justify. I'd probably feel less guilty if I watched baseball instead. I don't think anyone has ever been injured.
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Post #344 by Vector » Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:21 am

aptar wrote:Anyone who watches hockey, football or MMA just chooses to be willfully ignorant about the human side otherwise it's hard to justify. I'd probably feel less guilty if I watched baseball instead. I don't think anyone has ever been injured.


The only time you feel bad about an injury in baseball is when a guy doesn't realize a wall is there and runs headfirst into it and severely hurts himself or a pitcher gets hit in the head with a ball.

Hockey, American football, MMA, and boxing are bloodsports. Everyone, from the top to the bottom, really needs to accept this and start treating it as such.
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Post #345 by aptar » Tue Oct 06, 2015 12:58 pm

Yeah, the only good injuries in that sport are the baseballs to the dome, but then it's like you can't even enjoy the moment because everyone is crowding around trying to resuscitate and the camera man can't get a good angle.
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Post #346 by Hooker » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:06 pm

Vector wrote:
aptar wrote:Anyone who watches hockey, football or MMA just chooses to be willfully ignorant about the human side otherwise it's hard to justify. I'd probably feel less guilty if I watched baseball instead. I don't think anyone has ever been injured.


The only time you feel bad about an injury in baseball is when a guy doesn't realize a wall is there and runs headfirst into it and severely hurts himself or a pitcher gets hit in the head with a ball.

Hockey, American football, MMA, and boxing are bloodsports. Everyone, from the top to the bottom, really needs to accept this and start treating it as such.

People don't watch hockey and football to see people get injured. NASCAR is more of a bloodsport than those are.
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Post #347 by aptar » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:11 pm

I don't know about bloodsport, but the very nature of football is devastating on the body. The quotes about every game being like an MVA for backs is true. Fans just choose to ignore it.
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Post #348 by Hooker » Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:15 pm

Sure, I agree with that. That's not what bloodsport means at all, though.
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Post #349 by aptar » Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:34 pm

Hooker wrote:Sure, I agree with that. That's not what bloodsport means at all, though.

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Post #350 by Jyrki21 » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:52 pm

Vector wrote:Hockey, American football, MMA, and boxing are bloodsports. Everyone, from the top to the bottom, really needs to accept this and start treating it as such.

The difference is that the contact in hockey (and the extent of it) is gratuitous as often as it is not. In football, it's very literally half the game, but most violent contact in hockey doesn't actually do much but excite fans.

Taken to the extreme, non-contact hockey is still very much hockey, while non-contact football or boxing doesn't make sense (well, flag football I guess, but then you really alter what the game is).

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