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Post #351 by Vector » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:48 pm

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Vector wrote:Hockey, American football, MMA, and boxing are bloodsports. Everyone, from the top to the bottom, really needs to accept this and start treating it as such.

The difference is that the contact in hockey (and the extent of it) is gratuitous as often as it is not. In football, it's very literally half the game, but most violent contact in hockey doesn't actually do much but excite fans.

Taken to the extreme, non-contact hockey is still very much hockey, while non-contact football or boxing doesn't make sense (well, flag football I guess, but then you really alter what the game is).


Hockey's history has been weird because the purpose of hitting has changed over generations. I only call hockey a bloodsport because of the advertising of the "hardest hits of the week" stuff. Fundamentally, there's a lot more to hockey than the other sports I mentioned.
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Post #352 by aptar » Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:12 am

Topical:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/kings/la- ... story.html

Another player like Avery addicted to Oxy after years of serious injuries.

I didn't realize Richards was counting against the cap still.
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Post #354 by Killface » Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:35 pm

I am oddly interested in the KHL all of the sudden.

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Post #356 by 19nazzy » Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:01 am

Can anyone explain to me how 3 on 3 OT is any less of a gimmick than the shootout? I'm not saying it's bad but I laugh when I hear people say that.
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Post #357 by Hooker » Tue Oct 27, 2015 12:36 am

3 vs 3 is actually hockey. It happens in actual games (albeit rarely).

I would much rather they just go back to ties, though.
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Post #358 by 19nazzy » Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:09 am

Penalty shots also happen in actual games, and I would wager they are more common.

I also wouldn't mind if they go back to ties. However, I'd far prefer each game was worth the same amount of points but :bettman:
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Post #359 by Hooker » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:41 am

Shootouts and penalty shots are not the same thing. When you successfully score on a penalty shot, they other team doesn't have the opportunity to take a shot of their own.
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Post #360 by Vector » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:23 am

Americans can't handle ties. There needs to be a winner and loser in every single thing.
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Post #361 by Jyrki21 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:59 am

As I've said before, what gets me most with forcing an artificial win/loss result (whether through shootouts or modified OT) is that fans completely buy into it. Notwithstanding that the 60 minutes of hockey is already in the books and would be the same either way, fans will act as though their team played better if they won the shootout and worse if they lost it – like some kind of Game of Thrones trial by combat in which the outcome is assumed to be just – even though there is absolutely no connection to how the team played up until that point. Every one of those games is a tie. And they'll refer to the team being on a "winning streak" or "losing streak" that includes shootout results, even though it could actually be something like W-T-T-W-T where the team is hardly a juggernaut and would have played identically even if each of those SOWs was actually a SOL.

The whole thing about how the Canucks "broke" the Red Wings' "winning streak" a few years ago with a shootout win always makes me laugh, because either the streak was already long over (there were shootout wins in it, so at best it was an unbeaten streak) or the Canucks were just another one of the teams that tied them along the way.
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Post #362 by King Ryan » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:42 pm

Jyrki21 wrote:As I've said before, what gets me most with forcing an artificial win/loss result (whether through shootouts or modified OT) is that fans completely buy into it. Notwithstanding that the 60 minutes of hockey is already in the books and would be the same either way, fans will act as though their team played better if they won the shootout and worse if they lost it – like some kind of Game of Thrones trial by combat in which the outcome is assumed to be just – even though there is absolutely no connection to how the team played up until that point. Every one of those games is a tie. And they'll refer to the team being on a "winning streak" or "losing streak" that includes shootout results, even though it could actually be something like W-T-T-W-T where the team is hardly a juggernaut and would have played identically even if each of those SOWs was actually a SOL.

The whole thing about how the Canucks "broke" the Red Wings' "winning streak" a few years ago with a shootout win always makes me laugh, because either the streak was already long over (there were shootout wins in it, so at best it was an unbeaten streak) or the Canucks were just another one of the teams that tied them along the way.


Yeah that's what gets me too. The tone of a GDT after a shootout win is much different than after a shootout loss, even though it is the same thing pretty much.

There was never a problem with ties, these gimmicks are a solution in search of a problem.
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Post #363 by Jyrki21 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:59 pm

Even some of the better posters on boreds buy into the "a win is a win and a loss is a loss" fallacy, I'm sad to see.

Half the reason fans so readily buy into it is, of course, because there is not SOW/OTW column in the standings, a pretty obvious manipulation to make every fanbase feel their team is doing better than it is.
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Post #364 by King Ryan » Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:13 pm

Yep, I think that's a big part of it. Even teams that have a bad year have records that don't 'look' too bad. Virtually Every team in the nhl has set their franchise record for wins in a season recently and it also inflates win totals for coaches and goalies.

At the very least I wish they would count so wins separately and make regulation wins worth more.
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Post #365 by 19nazzy » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:04 pm

"Wow, Ovechkin already broke the Russian scoring record? He hasn't been in the league all that long.

Wait a minute, he started after the lockout."

I google search and see he's 30, I feel old.
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Post #366 by Hooker » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:39 pm

I'm surprised the record wasn't held by Mogilny.
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Post #367 by Killface » Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:37 pm

“Well, (the Rangers public relations staff) filled me in a little bit on what was said after the game,” Vigneault said, responding to a question from the Daily News. “I mean it’s a little disappointing. Obviously everybody saw the knee to the head. The comments on Hank were very inappropriate. The way Hank conducts himself, on the ice, away from the rink, off the ice, the example that he sets. Who would you rather have as a son, Henrik (Lundqvist) or Brad Marchand? For him to say things like that about Hank, totally wrong, and probably Claude is getting a little older and needs to check his eyesight.”


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Post #368 by Cao » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:55 am

Quote of the year. I miss our management having any sort of wit.
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Post #369 by Jyrki21 » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:45 pm

I love Vigneault.
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Post #370 by Vector » Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:59 pm

AV continues to be my favourite former Canuck.
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Post #371 by 19nazzy » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:50 pm

http://www.tsn.ca/former-players-ctv-s- ... s-1.402067

I thought that was a pretty good read
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Post #372 by Cao » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:17 am

hopefully they get released and we find proof that the league hates the canucks
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Post #373 by Killface » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:07 pm

Kassian is no longer suspended and Montreal placed him on waivers.
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Post #374 by Killface » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:28 pm

I don't think that Benning is interested in claiming him.
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Post #375 by Jyrki21 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:42 pm

I would trade Prust for his rights if Montreal also threw in a 5th rounder.
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Post #376 by Cao » Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:19 pm

Bet someone will claim him. Too talented not to.
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Post #377 by Killface » Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:21 pm

Kassian traded to the Oilers for Ben Scrivens. Watch him blossom in Edmonton playing with McDavid or RNH or Draisaitl. Should be fun to see him face the Canucks 5 times a year.
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Post #378 by Vector » Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:30 pm

This is the worst case scenario. Montreal managed to get a better return for Kassian after his rehab assignment than Benning.

Was it Perron or Eberle he high-sticked?
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Post #379 by aptar » Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:49 pm

It's incredible he ended up in Edmonton. The Kassian people think he is is exactly what they need. Unfortunately for people in Edmonton, he's exactly what they have, just a bit bigger and with more facial hair.
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Post #380 by Killface » Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:51 pm

Vector wrote:This is the worst case scenario. Montreal managed to get a better return for Kassian after his rehab assignment than Benning.

Was it Perron or Eberle he high-sticked?

Sam Gagner.

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Post #381 by Vector » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:22 pm

I've never seen that photo before. Yeesh.

All Oilers players and former-Oilers players are the same at this point.
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Post #382 by King Ryan » Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:17 pm

Hysterical. Oilers and their absolutely loathed kassian. It was fun watching. In fact it used to be my favourite part of games against the Oilers.
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Post #383 by aptar » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:18 pm

If your last name is Kane and you are in Buffalo maybe just clean the pipes before dates.
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Post #384 by Jyrki21 » Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:39 am

Killface wrote:Sam Gagner.

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Who is now on waivers if the Canucks want to pull the full reversal for irony's sake.
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Post #385 by Killface » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:53 am

Jyrki21 wrote:
Killface wrote:Sam Gagner.

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Who is now on waivers if the Canucks want to pull the full reversal for irony's sake.

Probably still a better second line center than anyone the Canucks have.
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Post #386 by aptar » Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:07 am

True or false: Benning just uses the depth at C as evidence of how important Sutter is to the team.
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Post #387 by Jyrki21 » Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:57 am

aptar wrote:True or false: Benning just uses the depth at C as evidence of how important Sutter is to the team.

Yeah, obviously.

Pass it to Bulis discussed Sutter's absence a while back (as it coincided with a number of the team's struggles), and I thought Daniel Wagner nailed it: the Canucks' depth obviously took a hit and they miss having another NHL center. Whether Sutter himself is particularly valuable in the abstract is obviously a different issue, though, and Daniel wasn't that convinced.
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Post #388 by Hooker » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:31 pm

You guys are crazy. Sutter coming back would double the centre depth (assuming Hank is also playing). We should be twice as good with Sutter back.
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Post #389 by Vector » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:44 pm

Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen. Holy shit.

Look for Benning to sign Luke Schenn to a 5m deal in the offseason too.
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Post #390 by King Ryan » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:23 pm

remember when torotno traded up to get schenn and everyone on TSN had an orgasm?
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Post #391 by Hooker » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:30 pm

Now I wish we had traded for Johansen twice as much, so that we could flip him for Seth Jones.
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Post #392 by Vector » Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:48 pm

King Ryan wrote:remember when torotno traded up to get schenn and everyone on TSN had an orgasm?


Remember when the Flyers traded JVR for Schenn?
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Post #393 by aptar » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:21 pm

Remember when we signed Sbisa and Dorsett
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Post #394 by Vector » Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:14 pm

aptar wrote:Remember when we signed Sbisa and Dorsett


WRONG THREAD COW
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Post #396 by Vector » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:12 pm

So the Ducks acquired Perron and Clendening for Hagelin. Kinda makes me laugh at how involved the Canucks were in this trade.
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Post #397 by Cao » Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:09 pm

Adam Clendening is on waivers. Once again, super cool that Benning traded a legitimate prospect for someone they probably didn't scout.
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Post #398 by Killface » Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:17 pm

Oilers claimed Clendening. I'm guessing he'll actually play some minutes there. They really a skilled powerplay pointman with Klefbom injured and Schultz sucking.
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Post #399 by Jyrki21 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:10 pm

to forsle /ˈfɔɹsəl/ (v. tr.) To impress despite modest reputation.

"I don't know anyone who owns this brand of car, but after that last road trip, it's sure forsling me now!"

to clenden /ˈklɛndən/ (v. int.) To feel immediate regret after a calculated decision upon realizing that the calculation was made on poor information.

"I pored for hours over the reviews, the discussion fora, the buyers' guides, and I finally bought this car. Then I realized I had been reading the 2013 guides, not the 2014 ones. Boy, am I clendening now."

to benn /bɛn/ (v. int.) To repeat a mistake stemming from ignorance of empirical facts, even though the information remains available after the initial error.

"I wanted to buy the car that's been forsling you, and not the one our friend was clendening over. So I went to the dealer and bought... the wrong car. I had actually written the name down wrong and bought the wrong model. Thankfully they cancelled the transaction, and I was able to swap it for a different one. Except I bought the wrong one again. And now they won't take it back. I can't believe I've been benning like this."
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That is fantastic.

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