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Post #1 by Cao » Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:34 pm

get ready to watch this on a regular basis

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Post #2 by Cao » Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:35 pm

game 1 flames 7pm snet

hopefully the cameras catch benning and weisbrod jerking each other off while watching ferland
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Post #3 by Cao » Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:17 pm

16. Thought there was zero chance Frank Corrado would clear waivers, but, in the hours before the deadline, a couple teams warned he might get through.

It can be tough at the start of the season, because your roster is already full, or you think Corrado might need more time in the AHL, and you can’t put him there without another run through the system. (One team was worried about exactly that.) That’s the gamble Vancouver made. Of course, it only takes one, and that one was Toronto.

When the Canucks made organizational changes last summer, Corrado phoned some of the people who were let go to thank them for drafting him.

21. The Lack contract is a reminder that, when you hear about demands, always ask if it’s the first offer. In Vancouver, the rumour was Lack wanted $4-$4.5M, just like Mark Giordano wanted $9M in Calgary.

Never bid against yourself. Set the bar high. Negotiation 101.


28. Canadiens coach Michel Therrien confirmed Tuesday what was widely suspected, that Zack Kassian had already been through Stage One of the NHL/NHLPA Substance Abuse Program.

It had been rumoured that was the case in Vancouver, but the Canucks never confirmed it at the time, nor should they have. Stan Smyl spent a ton of time working with Kassian, but it’s very clear the Canadiens are already out of patience.

It’s extremely unlikely he will play for Montreal this season. Can only hope the possibility his NHL career could be over scares him to the proper path.



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Post #4 by aptar » Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:34 pm

Who is the last GM to be so openly and regularly mocked by media and fans of all varieties? Even guys like Burke will split opinions but still have their support base. When the entire NHL is laughing at your team, something is up.
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Post #5 by Hooker » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:24 pm

And Dorsett sucks right off the bat.
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Post #6 by 19nazzy » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:25 pm

$2.5M well spent
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Post #7 by Vector » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:39 pm

I haven't been following at all so I am surprised to see Horvat on the second line and forgot Baertshi existed. My wife laughed at Cracknell's name.

Second PP unit looks dangerous.
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Post #8 by 19nazzy » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:40 pm

$2.5M more well spent
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Post #9 by 19nazzy » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:45 pm

Great play by the Sedins, better save by Ramo.

Fake edit: Yay Hansen
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Post #10 by Vector » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:30 pm

"Luca Sbibsa...you got to make a better play than right there...

That's just not good enough."

God Sbisa is terrible. Like I can't believe a player that bad is on an NHL team.
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Post #11 by 19nazzy » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:30 pm

Sbisa is great
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Post #12 by Killface » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:30 pm

Just turned the game on and a Sbisa giveaway leads to a Flames goal. Yup.
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Post #13 by Vector » Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:59 am

Fun first game. Great to see the rookies look comfortable, Sedins dominate, and Burrows get one. Sutter was surprisingly effective but I can see that trailing off.

Not sure what Bartkowski brings to the table and Sbisa is a tire fire.
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Post #14 by aptar » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:12 am

Benning is god
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Post #15 by Hooker » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:37 am

There goes my prediction of a 0-82 season.
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Post #16 by Tripwyre » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:45 am

I love how the Sedins having a great game tonight with Sutter somehow invalidates everyone's pre-season criticisms of him, as if he suddenly wasn't complete and utter shit in all of the games he'd played previously.
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Post #17 by Cao » Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:03 am

“You see (Hutton) skate it out of trouble, skate it out of his own end?” an amped up Jannik said. “We weren’t getting hemmed in. It’s so huge for us forwards, when the D can do that.

“You saw how the pressure relieved when (Hutton) and Bart and Tan Man and Edler skated the puck out of trouble. It took a lot of pressure off their forecheck.”


The Corrado decision was at best impetuous and at worst negligent.

If the Canucks didn’t know there was zero per cent chance they’d get Corrado through waivers, they sure knew it was close.

Forget he’s a right shot, which is so coveted in the NHL, the guy is 22, which you never see on waivers. Any of the 29 teams could pick him to have a look for free. The Leafs got him, and, we’ve learned, multiple other teams would have got him if the Leafs passed.

After having talked with everyone involved, I tend to think Corrado on waivers was inevitable. It doesn’t mean the timing was right. It didn’t have to happen now. Everyone understands the Canucks could have massaged the cap situation to buy time. With it, they could have seen how Hutton does in Cali.

At the very least, it would have been injury insurance.

If you’re pretty sure you’re going to lose Corrado anyway, which they should have been, who cares if he’s the No. 8 dman for a few weeks?

Benning said that wasn’t even a consideration when I asked him about it.



The more interesting side of this story, probably, is any variation of how they hell did we get here?

In May, Benning promised the team would keep eight D.

We’ll start with eight defencemen, but we want to have 11 D capable of playing in the NHL. That’s something I learned this year from being in the West. The travel wears the team down a bit and it seems to take a toll on your defence.

In June, Travis Green was comparing Corrado to Chris Tanev. In the organization, Green was not alone in that assessment. Corrado was a huge part of the Comets’ run to the Calder Cup. Huge. Is that just forgotten in a few preseason games?

In the offseason, Benning told Corrado it was time for him to find a place to live in Vancouver. With that, Corrado thought he was on the team. He moved to Van.

His parents even designed their vacation around the two Canucks games in California next week. That’s where they were, waiting to see him play for the Canucks, when Corrado flew home after hitting waivers.

Did being told to get a place cause Corrado to relax for a minute, act like a veteran? Was it a factor?

Impossible to say.

Things, of course, leaked away in a preseason in which Corrado played four games with four different pairing partners.

Corrado had one very good game, one decent game, one mediocre game and one train wreck. The train wreck game was in Calgary. In it, the Flames played a team that was without just six players who ended up in their opening night lineup.

The Canucks dropped this bomb:

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There are only six players there who played the opener.

Corrado did not not play the final two preseason games, a sure sign the Canucks had made up their mind, not seeing a need to give Corrado every opportunity to prove them wrong.

Corrado knew then his spot on the team was in peril.

My sense, and this is just an educated guess having down the interviews, is Corrado was not a Willie guy and that wasn’t likely to change.

Torts really like Corrado when he was here. He was a big part of the Torts vision. With Willie, it wasn’t like that.

By no means is Corrado out of the woods. The Leafs picked him up for nothing and if for a second they’re not happy with him or they think Corrado is stunting the development of any of their younger players, Corrado could find himself on waivers again. The Leafs have no investment in him, there’s no reason for them to be patient.

I personally think Corrado is going to kill it. He’s incredibly bright, mature and driven.

“I think it’s education in how the NHL your job is never safe,” Corrado said.

Don’t think he’ll ever forget that one.


It’s often interesting how seemingly little things can change the course of NHL franchises.

Take Eddie Lack. Yes, one more time for old times sake.

Originally, the Canucks, and Benning, had planned on keeping Lack and re-signing him to an extension.

But Lack’s agent was eyeing what was going on in Vancouver. He was hardly the only agent to take note.

Whether you like the Canucks commitment to Dorsett and Sbisa or not, the money they harpooned in their extensions opened up plenty of eyes around the league.

Of course, Overhardt and other agents, wanted to surf that wave, and were looking for a piece of the action. When dealing with Benning for the Lack takes, he asked for a monster three- or four-year deal worth $4-plus million a year.

What’s that about go big or go home?

Rather than playing hardball with Overhartdt and working him down after the sticker shock, Benning decided the Canucks couldn’t afford Lack and immediately made the decision to move on.


By now, it’s common knowledge the Canucks offered Cory Schneider to the Oil for a package consisting of the seventh overall pick, a second-rounder and Martin Marincin.

For the Canucks, turns out, it wouldn’t have mattered if they had the Oil pick or Lou’s New Jersey one. They were taking Horvat over Nichuskin (and that was the debate, if there was one).

Before the negotiation with MacTavish broke off, however, the Canucks offer came down to No. 7 and Marincin.

Mac-T had to think long and hard over that one.

But he came back to Vancouver and declined, saying:

“My goalie coach says Dubnyk is going to be a star.”

The Gilly response to Mac-T: “You’re going to be firing your goalie coach.”

He was right.


1. i love that jannik didn't talk about sbisa at all when he mentioned defensemen who could move the puck (poor dan hamhuis)
2. how pathetic is it that they treated corrado that way? they told him he was on the roster so he should move to vancouver, and then didn't bother giving him a long look whatsoever.
3. that's the second report to come out today of benning not bothering to negotiate with lack
4. i miss gillis
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Post #18 by Killface » Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:03 am

Source?
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Post #20 by Vector » Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:15 am

Killface wrote:Source?


Was going to ask the same thing.

I'd appreciate that when people quote articles, they include the author.
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Post #21 by aptar » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:11 pm

Gillis is a straight outta compton
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Post #22 by Jyrki21 » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:09 pm

Tripwyre wrote:I love how the Sedins having a great game tonight with Sutter somehow invalidates everyone's pre-season criticisms of him, as if he suddenly wasn't complete and utter shit in all of the games he'd played previously.

Or, like, all the previous years of evidence. Both of Sutter's own personal history, and of players playing with the Sedins.
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Post #23 by mooseOAK » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:40 pm

Evaluating veterans based on exhibition games?
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Post #24 by Cao » Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:46 pm

mooseOAK wrote:Evaluating veterans based on exhibition games?

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Post #25 by Tripwyre » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:52 pm

mooseOAK wrote:Evaluating veterans based on exhibition games?

When you're a brand new player to an organization who has been thrust into a top-line role, yeah, I don't think it's asking too much that you actually fucking earn it.
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Post #26 by mooseOAK » Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:30 pm

Tripwyre wrote:
mooseOAK wrote:Evaluating veterans based on exhibition games?

When you're a brand new player to an organization who has been thrust into a top-line role, yeah, I don't think it's asking too much that you actually fucking earn it.

That's what Sutter is doing now. Playing against a bunch of players in the pre-season who aren't even NHL quality won't tell a lot.
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Post #27 by Hooker » Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:22 pm

Playing poorly against them will.
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Post #28 by Tripwyre » Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:52 am

He failed into a position of prominence because on merit he was either the fourth-line centre or the 13th forward. His price-tag and what they gave up to bring him in made sure however that they thrust him into the spot that would make him look best whether he earned it or not. He looked absolutely awful in pre-season, which is not how you should come in trying to impress a brand new coaching staff. To me, that's a bunch of bullshit. It's cool how you think it's totally great though.
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Post #29 by Cao » Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:48 pm

That's how he justifies Tyler Bozak.
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Post #30 by yumphod » Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:13 pm

who cares
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Post #31 by Vector » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:03 am

yumphod wrote:who cares


It's possible to say this about any post.
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Post #32 by Vector » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:51 am

Sutter is utterly pedestrian. He's shown nothing that's impressed me.
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Post #33 by Cao » Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:55 am

Brandon Sutter, foundational player. He reminds me of a faster version of Josh Green.
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Post #34 by aptar » Sun Oct 11, 2015 1:11 am

Sutter looks exactly as advertised by everyone who has actually seen him play.
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Post #35 by Cao » Sun Oct 11, 2015 3:16 am

aptar wrote:Sutter looks exactly as advertised by everyone who has actually seen him play.

So, not Jim Benning then.
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Post #36 by Bim Jenning » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:53 am

I love that he coughed it up on the game winner, then displayed his normal great intensity and defensive awareness to do nothing to break up the play. Great $4M + Benning!
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Post #37 by Vector » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:54 am

Is Edler hurt? He didn't play against Calgary.
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Post #38 by aptar » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:00 pm

He had the 'flu'. Time to dump him off to Montreal with a pick.
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Post #39 by King Ryan » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:18 pm

I'm trying to watch the game and, I'm going to be honest here, I feel weirdly disconnected from this team in a way that I don't recall feeling before. I just feel no emotion whatsoever to what is happening; it's like I'm watching Arizona/Nashville or something. Just ... nothing.

Somebody just scored ... #24, I don't know who that is; I felt no joy, nothing. I hate this.
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Post #40 by 19nazzy » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:29 pm

I've been into it this year. Only problem is I've fallen asleep both time before the game has finished
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Post #41 by rod stewart » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:40 pm

i've more or less felt like that for three consecutive seasons. the cup loss and ensuing fallout was pretty brutal. now we're left with incompetent management and awful players like sbisa and bartkowski..?

i'm an optimist but there's no light at the end of this tunnel. not until they clean house
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Post #42 by Vector » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:40 pm

King Ryan wrote:I'm trying to watch the game and, I'm going to be honest here, I feel weirdly disconnected from this team in a way that I don't recall feeling before. I just feel no emotion whatsoever to what is happening; it's like I'm watching Arizona/Nashville or something. Just ... nothing.

Somebody just scored ... #24, I don't know who that is; I felt no joy, nothing. I hate this.


This is me but at about 50%. I'm really enjoying seeing the mainstays and the rookies/youngsters but I'm totally apathetic to the newer veterans. I feel like I'm watching a very average team with no identity, though.
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Post #43 by Hooker » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:42 am

Fuck a Duck!
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Post #44 by Vector » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:48 am

That was a really boring game but I've been enjoying the new OT format. Seems complicated once penalties are involved.
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Post #45 by yumphod » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:26 am

I hate that we have sbisa and that 4th line and the coach but this is the same team as last year. Same identity
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Post #46 by King Ryan » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:49 am

yeah i dont know. i was really into it last year, even more than in years past. the lack trade really soured me on the team i think.
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Post #47 by Hooker » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:53 am

It's the Canucks. They're in a downswing. This shouldn't be new territory to anyone in-or-past their 30s. Bad management isn't going to stick around forever. It might get replace with other bad management, but one upside of having a large, active fanbase (especially one with particularly fickle ticket buying tendencies) is that stains won't stay around for long.
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Post #48 by Hamhoose » Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:20 am

I'll admit, when Linden was hired I was cautiously optimistic but then he did that CanucksTV bit where he phoned his parents with handsfree while driving around the city, then picked Benning up to go to the rink for a day on the job...

...I then realized they're doing a Vancouver style version of Oil Change, and Dim Jim's "changing of the guard" was to basically get rid of aging veterans and replace them with 3 year younger, stupider ones. The nail in the coffin was definitely Linden's assessment that the game hasn't changed in 100 years.

All in all, i'll still watch Canucks hockey. But the only reason is for Bo Horvat, McCann, and Virtanen. Slightly into hoping Baertschi pans out, but doubtful there. Everyone else I either generally feel sorry for (Hansen, Burrows, Tanev, Edler busting balls out there) or just wish ill will upon for how retarded they play (Sbisa, Sbisa, Sbisa, Sutter).

This team needs a GM to rebuild the rebuild of DimJim, and until it shows up i'm going to enjoy 2nd round draft picks be traded for nobodies, yet this was the same move that got Nonis fired as well so who knows what other crazy comical shit will be pulled here. :stare:
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Post #49 by Cao » Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:40 am

King Ryan wrote:I'm trying to watch the game and, I'm going to be honest here, I feel weirdly disconnected from this team in a way that I don't recall feeling before. I just feel no emotion whatsoever to what is happening; it's like I'm watching Arizona/Nashville or something. Just ... nothing.

Somebody just scored ... #24, I don't know who that is; I felt no joy, nothing. I hate this.

i was more excited to watch the chargers/steelers game and the dodgers/mets game than the canucks game. i know exactly how you feel. i guess some nights i might be into it, but seeing brandon prust skate like a slug out there and participate in staged fights is absolutely soul-sucking.
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Post #50 by King Ryan » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:13 am

Hooker wrote:It's the Canucks. They're in a downswing. This shouldn't be new territory to anyone in-or-past their 30s. Bad management isn't going to stick around forever. It might get replace with other bad management, but one upside of having a large, active fanbase (especially one with particularly fickle ticket buying tendencies) is that stains won't stay around for long.


It's not a matter of them being shit though, hell they're off to a great start so far. Even when they were shit in the 90's i watched every games, died on every loss. after this off-season though i just find it hard to care. i feel like benning has gutted my team, and this team he's assembled even if it succeeds it doesn't feel like my team, doesn't feel like something i want to cheer for. i dont know, its weird.

i am still in baseball mode though, so maybe ill come around in november. i often miss a lot of the october games because i prefer playoff-baseball.

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