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Post #301 by Jyrki21 » Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:39 pm

Ugh, more future-mortgaging.

Also, #character.
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Post #302 by Cao » Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:50 pm

bleh i think i'd rather have lucic than evander kane
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Post #303 by 19nazzy » Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:41 am

Jyrki21 wrote:Ugh, more future-mortgaging.

Also, #character.

Basically. :nice:
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Post #304 by Vector » Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:12 pm

Vey has signed a two-way deal with the Flames.
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Post #305 by Cao » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:33 pm

so it was gulutzan who was responsible for vey's ice time...!!
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Post #306 by aptar » Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:06 pm

I remember arguing with a lot of Canucks fans last year when I said I wouldn't trade Tanev for Kane straight up.
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Post #307 by King Ryan » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:30 am

This is the guy who said we'd draft Tkachuk, that Hamhuis was definitely re-signing and that Hamonic would be an Oiler by now?

This guy is worse than random chance with his guesses by now.
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Post #308 by Jyrki21 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:14 pm

King Ryan wrote:This is the guy who said we'd draft Tkachuk, that Hamhuis was definitely re-signing and that Hamonic would be an Oiler by now?

This guy is worse than random chance with his guesses by now.

He changed his tune on Tkachuk before the draft, which turned out to be right. The Hamonic thing was in reference to Hall being traded, which did come to pass (it just so happened the return was different). And for Hamhuis, he said that ownership wanted to retain him, but Sbisa's contract was an obstacle (and other rumors are that they did indeed look at moving Sbisa but, unsurprisingly, found no dance partner).

Remember, he is basing it on what he hears within the organization. He could just be in the mailroom or whatever – obviously he's not the one making decisions, and circumstances do change. What he's hearing is probably accurately relayed at the time he hears it, but even then it's speculative at the time.
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Post #309 by rod stewart » Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:22 pm

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Post #310 by Vector » Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:25 pm

Doesn't help that he's relaying plans of a truly incompetent management group. I'm sure they think or want all these things to happen but really don't have the ability to do so.
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Post #311 by 19nazzy » Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:38 pm

VANCOUVER — The Vancouver Canucks have signed goaltender Jacob Markstrom to a three-year contract extension.
The contract will carry an annual average value of US$3.67 million and will run through the end of the 2019.20 season.
Markstrom established career highs for games played (33), starts (30) and wins (13), in 2015-16, his sixth NHL season.
The 26-year-old Gavle, Sweden native finished the season with a 2.73 goals-against average, a .915 save percentage and set career-highs for most shots faced (48) and most saves made (47) in a single game on March 22 at Winnipeg.
Markstrom also posted a record of 1-0-1 during a two game conditioning stint with the AHL Utica Comets to start the season.
In 83 career NHL games split between Vancouver and Florida, the six-foot-six, 201-pound goaltender has a record of 26-42-9 along with a 3.00 goals against average and .904 save percentage.
Markstrom is set to represent Sweden at the 2016 World Cup. He helped Sweden win gold at the 2013 IIHF World Championship.
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Post #312 by Cao » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:33 pm

That's a fair deal for Markstrom. Probably the one Lack should've gotten last year. Good thing we have Guillaume Brisebois to show for trading Lack.
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Post #313 by King Ryan » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:30 am

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King Ryan wrote:This is the guy who said we'd draft Tkachuk, that Hamhuis was definitely re-signing and that Hamonic would be an Oiler by now?

This guy is worse than random chance with his guesses by now.

He changed his tune on Tkachuk before the draft, which turned out to be right. The Hamonic thing was in reference to Hall being traded, which did come to pass (it just so happened the return was different). And for Hamhuis, he said that ownership wanted to retain him, but Sbisa's contract was an obstacle (and other rumors are that they did indeed look at moving Sbisa but, unsurprisingly, found no dance partner).

Remember, he is basing it on what he hears within the organization. He could just be in the mailroom or whatever – obviously he's not the one making decisions, and circumstances do change. What he's hearing is probably accurately relayed at the time he hears it, but even then it's speculative at the time.


All of that is fine, but none of it means we should put any stock in what he has to say. Frankly.

I mean you are really reaching to give hm credit on Hall when he said - Hamonic is an oiler by Monday, take it to the bank. Well that cheque bounced. Maybe he should speak with less certainty.

Markstrom deal is kinda weird to me. The guy could have been lost on waivers two season ago and nobody old have been upset. He payed like 20 games last year and is now worth 4m? I am skeptical.
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Post #314 by Jyrki21 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:27 pm

I just mean I believe he's reporting what he's hearing, but obviously it's fallible. Re: Hall, he had phrased it in an Oiler-centric fashion in another thread at the same time ("Hall doesn't last the weekend" or something of the sort), so it was just the return that didn't unfold as predicted. But obviously the Canucks aren't going to have a ton of insight on what the Oilers do anyway. But yeah, he's speaking like a blowhard, but then so does almost everyone on HF.
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Post #315 by Jyrki21 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:26 pm

Benning on Empty #19: "The Seduction - Part 1"

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Post #316 by aptar » Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:04 pm

I just can't stop laughing at how local bloggers are now outsmarting team management and directly impacting, and then mocking them.



You can't write this shit.
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Post #317 by Jyrki21 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:55 pm

I'm actually kind of surprised they're still allowed to deal with the public, but it's as amusing as hell. (I asked Weissbock for permission to include him in the background of my comic dealing with the Gudbranson trade, and he didn't hesitate, which kind of surprised me...)
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Post #318 by 19nazzy » Thu Jul 14, 2016 3:37 pm

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/how-m ... -30-teams/
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It wasn’t even close. Dead last in five of six categories and second last in the other. The Jim Benning era has been the highest form of entertainment for every fanbase outside of Vancouver and an occasional gift giving event for some teams. The team is lost, with zero direction. They’re one of the league’s worst teams and somehow find themselves close to the salary cap. They’ve made a habit of losing every trade they’ve made recently. They’ve signed questionable deals meant to make them competitive when it’s clear to just about everyone else they’re anything but. There is simply no reason to be confident in what the Vancouver Canucks are doing right now.
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Post #319 by aptar » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:53 pm

200 is a pretty useless example size yet I have no doubt it would look similar over 20,000.
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Post #320 by Jyrki21 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:56 pm

aptar wrote:200 is a pretty useless example size yet I have no doubt it would look similar over 20,000.

It was the same 200 ranking everyone, so the article is being disingenuous when it makes it sound like "each fanbase is rating its front office."
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Post #321 by 19nazzy » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:25 am

aptar wrote:200 is a pretty useless example size yet I have no doubt it would look similar over 20,000.

Hey, I thought anything related to the Vancouver Canucks these days is an analytical free zone. You get that analysis out of here.
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Post #322 by Hooker » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:14 am

...you posted the thing.
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Post #323 by aptar » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:30 am

19nazzy wrote:
aptar wrote:200 is a pretty useless example size yet I have no doubt it would look similar over 20,000.

Hey, I thought anything related to the Vancouver Canucks these days is an analytical free zone. You get that analysis out of here.

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Post #324 by Jyrki21 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:03 pm

Benning on Empty #20 is Part 2 to "The Seduction":

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Post #325 by 19nazzy » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:07 pm

http://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speakin ... e-1.529287

Thought you guys could use a good laugh.
BUILDING CULTURE
Vancouver Canucks head coach Willie Desjardins had a talk covering how to build a winning team culture.

Desjardins talked about many things that the Canucks do in order to build a successful culture. One of the examples he gave was having the players identify what they do when they are playing well. Then, when a player isn’t performing, the coach can simply tell the player that’s not their game.

On a bigger picture issue, the Canucks have a series of objectives about being a hard team to play against, being a consistent winning team, a Cup contender, a place that families enjoy, becoming a team of choice for NHLers, keeping the rink full, playing for each other, giving back to the community etc.

Yet, despite taking all these steps to build a strong team culture, Desjardins acknowledged that last season was one of the toughest of his career. (This is where I interject to note that there are not enough Sedin-like talents on this roster, so his culture wasn’t enough to make them winners.)

What I did appreciate, was how Desjardins talked about changing the culture when he started coaching with Medicine Hat in the Western Hockey League. When he took over, Red Deer was a perennial power and everyone recognized all the sacrifices that the Rebels made to be a great team. To be a Red Deer Rebel meant blocking shots, standing up for each other, battling etc. and Desjardins compared that culture to Medicine Hat, where the team culture was that players would drink doubles at the bar; it sounds fun, but is not conducive to winning and that needed to change.
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Post #326 by King Ryan » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:50 pm

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Post #327 by Killface » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:35 pm

When I read Willie was going to a coaching conference I assumed he was going to learn, not present.
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Post #328 by Cao » Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:38 pm

Good thing they had him speak about forming a culture club and not matching lines
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Post #329 by Jyrki21 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:11 pm

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Post #330 by Killface » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:17 pm

Terrific, as always.
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Post #331 by Vector » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:06 pm

Topical.
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Post #332 by Cao » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:43 pm

Big thanks to Jyrki for reminding me that we signed Loui Eriksson, because I completely forgot, because it's pointless, because this team is stupid
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Post #333 by Jyrki21 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:58 pm

So what might they give up for Kane? Tanev? Their 1st? Tanev and their 1st?
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Post #334 by Killface » Tue Jul 26, 2016 4:41 pm

Jyrki21 wrote:So what might they give up for Kane? Tanev? Their 1st? Tanev and their 1st?

It's going to be really bad, isn't it?

I mean, I wouldn't take Kane for free at the moment. But Benning is going to not only acquire the biggest piece of shit in hockey, but also make a bad hockey trade in doing so.

I almost wish we got Lucic.
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Post #335 by 19nazzy » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:26 pm

If they get Kane after the garbage we've had to hear about this whole time regarding getting character players, there's literally nothing I will take them at their word at.
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Post #336 by King Ryan » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:30 pm

Mentorship and Character is real important good bye Hamhuis hello Kane.

You can't even fucking make this shit up. Real Benning is more absurd than Benning on Empty.
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Post #337 by Vector » Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:11 pm

I've been keeping my finger in my ears and shouting "na-na-na" through all this. I will continue to do it.
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Post #338 by Hooker » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:41 pm

I remember complaining about Gillis talking up character players and then going out and acquiring someone I didn't like whose attitude wasn't perfect. Booth or something. Probably not Booth, but someone. Hordichuk, maybe?

Ahh, the halcyon days.
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Post #339 by Vector » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:07 am

O'Brien maybe? Lapierre? Hordichuk and Booth were known to be good guys.
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Post #340 by Jyrki21 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:14 am

I didn't really think they'd have any interest in Kane, just because the obsession with character seemed to be one of the actual principles they stuck to (even though they seemed to do so in a misguided fashion). Taking horrible value on the Kassian trade, getting rid of a young McCann, disciplining Virtanen, dumping Prust at the first sign of him being a malcontent, etc. It just seems hard to believe the same guys giving up on McCann are willing to take on the baggage that Kane would bring with him.

If it's driven by ownership, though, I suppose anything is possible. Hold me.
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Post #341 by Hooker » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:19 am

Vector wrote:O'Brien maybe? Lapierre? Hordichuk and Booth were known to be good guys.

It was probably Lapierre, now that I think about it.
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Post #342 by 19nazzy » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:07 pm

http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/07/27/can ... f-history/
Canucks president doesn’t rule out acquiring a player with Evander Kane’s type of history

Trevor Linden didn’t mention Evander Kane by name, because, well, you know…

But yesterday on the radio, the Vancouver Canucks’ president of hockey operations sure didn’t close the door on acquiring a player with Kane’s type of history.

You can listen to the audio of Linden’s interview with TSN 1040 here. (The Kane discussion starts at around the 3:10 mark.)

The main takeaway is that Linden refused to say that a player with a history of getting into trouble with the police would absolutely not be welcome on the Canucks.

“I think with any situation, they’re all unique to themselves,” Linden said, before warning against the temptation to jump to conclusions prior to knowing all the facts.

“Ultimately we’d prefer not to have that situation arise, certainly with our own players,” he added. “It’s a big world out there. Obviously, the challenges are significant for young guys who make a lot of money and get themselves into spots that they make mistakes.”

The Kane speculation has been kicked into overdrive in Vancouver (where Kane was born and raised and played his junior hockey), despite the absence of any hard evidence that the Canucks are talking seriously with Buffalo about a deal.

It’s been reported that the Sabres’ ability to sign Jimmy Vesey could impact their willingness to trade Kane. Vesey can’t make his decision until Aug. 15, so perhaps we’ll have to wait until then.

But according to Canucks beat writer Jason Botchford (The Province), Kane is definitely on Vancouver’s radar.

“There’s no doubt about it, the Vancouver Canucks are going to be in on Evander Kane,” Botchford told TSN 1040 radio. “Ownership loves Kane. Jim Benning really likes Kane. Trevor? He’s maybe a little bit ambivalent, but he could be won over. They’re going to be in on Evander Kane.”
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Post #343 by King Ryan » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:26 pm

Vector wrote:O'Brien maybe? Lapierre? Hordichuk and Booth were known to be good guys.


Booth was super into killing animals for sport and posting pictures with their corpses, so could be him if you're not into that.
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Post #344 by rod stewart » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:14 pm

didn't craig mactavish kill a pregnant lady in broad daylight with one of them german ww2 pistols? if ownerships cool with hiring him then they'll be cool with hiring anybody
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Post #345 by aptar » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:06 pm

It was a civil war era musket. He had to take 3 mins to reload for the unborn baby and that's why everyone was so in an uproar.

I could see them getting Kane. They've painted themselves into a corner through incompetence and now all the values they've spoken about are pretty soft considerations next to keeping your job and potentially finding a local star that fits their on-ice need perfectly. Their actions vs words have shown a lot of what they say is just lip service.
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Post #346 by Jyrki21 » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:36 am

Benning on Empty #22 is the second 'Very Special Episode' –

"The Guy who Snubbed Me":

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Post #347 by Jyrki21 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:47 pm

No forum action since the last one?

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Post #348 by Vector » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:42 pm

I think this forum would be improved, maybe even vastly, if it was nothing but Benning on Empty comics.
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Post #349 by Jyrki21 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:09 pm

Well through the summer months it's been about half.
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Post #350 by Jyrki21 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:32 pm

Looks like I shall continue to monopolize this space for the time being.

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