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Post #7201 by Dog » Thu May 18, 2017 11:25 am

The problem with that is, of course, (i) that the "people" is a diverse thing and no one person represents it (and even to the extent it did, the absence of checks and balances leads to conflicts and abuses) and (ii) tyranny of the majority, as a concept, is a bad thing (according to this liberal pluralist).

There is an important message that comes from populists, though. They ride to popularity/power on issues that are important to significant parts of the electorate, issues that are largely ignored by mainstream parties. Populists don't tend to offer viable solutions, but they do pick up on the unaddressed problems.

The "cure" to populism would therefore be for mainstream parties to address the underlying issues head on. Failing to do that just leaves the door open for bozos to step right in and do that. In the West, I think we need to seriously and openly address immigration, economic stagnation and capital inequality. Mainstream also largely speaks in generalities and platitudes that don't adress the preoccupations in a manner satisfactory to those that hold the preoccupations. You basically need honesty and to think things through openly in public. If you are pro free-trade, don't pretent you are not. Defend it. Also, recognize that it's not an "everybody wins equally" proposition. There are winners and losers. Address the losers legitimate complaints. You are pro immigration? Stop clouding the issue in vague morality that just shuts the door to discussion. Defend it. Plead your case. Liberals really need to step up and plead their case. Liberalism may have become so prevalent that it sorta becomes dogmatic to its adherents. Society is fluid, you can't stay stratefied in doctrine. Also, people forget why we do stuff the way we do it. Needs to be explicitly defended. That can also force you to see what was in a blind spot to you and address it.
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Post #7202 by Dog » Thu May 18, 2017 11:25 am

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Post #7203 by Dog » Thu May 18, 2017 11:27 am

Westy wrote:
The people who described the contacts to Reuters said they had seen no evidence of wrongdoing or collusion between the campaign and Russia in the communications reviewed so far.


Correct, direct evidence of "collusion" hasn't been found. That would be case closed. The investigation is ongoing and fuelled by mounting circumstantial evidence (such as very unusual high volume of undisclosed and previously denied communications).
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Post #7204 by mcphee » Thu May 18, 2017 11:40 am

Enough
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Post #7205 by Dog » Thu May 18, 2017 11:42 am

mcphee wrote:Enough


I recognize that what I wrote leads to countering simple and snappy one liners with complicated, multifaceted arguments. So be it.

We will counter twitter by refering the population to peer reviewed empirical analysis! The equivalent of "hey kids, forget trashy reality tv, isn't math cool!!!"

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Post #7206 by mcphee » Thu May 18, 2017 12:11 pm

I said Enough.
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Post #7207 by Dog » Thu May 18, 2017 12:17 pm

mcphee wrote:I said Enough.


It's a pendulum, mcphee. Level of public discourse has been dumbed down too much. People aren't that stupid. There is likely space for being smarter (which doesn't mean spewing platitudes) now.
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Post #7208 by mcphee » Thu May 18, 2017 12:20 pm

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Post #7209 by AD » Thu May 18, 2017 12:44 pm

I'd need to grab the 144 from Peel metro.
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Post #7210 by Dog » Thu May 18, 2017 12:51 pm

I've always been partial to Berri metro station for settling internet disputes mano a mano. It's just central and generally most convenient for all parties involved.
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Post #7211 by jester » Thu May 18, 2017 1:06 pm

Dog wrote:
Westy wrote:
The people who described the contacts to Reuters said they had seen no evidence of wrongdoing or collusion between the campaign and Russia in the communications reviewed so far.


Correct, direct evidence of "collusion" hasn't been found. That would be case closed. The investigation is ongoing and fuelled by mounting circumstantial evidence (such as very unusual high volume of undisclosed and previously denied communications).


He also publicly asked Russia to hack Clinton. He was joking, but his cavalier attitude clearly extended to associates, etc. Trump may not have colluded with Russia, but at the very least he seems to be a "useful fool."

The Flynn story with Turkey is going to get bigger and bigger, I suspect.
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Post #7212 by Dog » Thu May 18, 2017 1:09 pm

jester wrote:
The Flynn story with Turkey is going to get bigger and bigger, I suspect.


Selling US foreign policy to the highest bidder is just smart, no?
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Post #7213 by mcphee » Thu May 18, 2017 1:23 pm

jester wrote:
Dog wrote:
Westy wrote:


Correct, direct evidence of "collusion" hasn't been found. That would be case closed. The investigation is ongoing and fuelled by mounting circumstantial evidence (such as very unusual high volume of undisclosed and previously denied communications).


He also publicly asked Russia to hack Clinton. He was joking, but his cavalier attitude clearly extended to associates, etc. Trump may not have colluded with Russia, but at the very least he seems to be a "useful fool."

The Flynn story with Turkey is going to get bigger and bigger, I suspect.

I switched from the hockey game to CNN last night when the 4th goal was scored and Carl Bernstein was front and center. He was laughing at the GOP pundit, mainly whenever Flynn was mentioned. I got the impression, like you say that Flynn will be the story, and there's a long list of items waiting to be released.. I'd be surprised if anything direct links Trump, but the 'when did you know about Flynn' will bring down a lot of people.
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Post #7214 by mcphee » Thu May 18, 2017 1:27 pm

Dog wrote:I've always been partial to Berri metro station for settling internet disputes mano a mano. It's just central and generally most convenient for all parties involved.

somewhere with a nice food court would be pleasant.
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Post #7215 by Dog » Thu May 18, 2017 1:36 pm

mcphee wrote:
jester wrote:
Dog wrote:
Correct, direct evidence of "collusion" hasn't been found. That would be case closed. The investigation is ongoing and fuelled by mounting circumstantial evidence (such as very unusual high volume of undisclosed and previously denied communications).


He also publicly asked Russia to hack Clinton. He was joking, but his cavalier attitude clearly extended to associates, etc. Trump may not have colluded with Russia, but at the very least he seems to be a "useful fool."

The Flynn story with Turkey is going to get bigger and bigger, I suspect.

I switched from the hockey game to CNN last night when the 4th goal was scored and Carl Bernstein was front and center. He was laughing at the GOP pundit, mainly whenever Flynn was mentioned. I got the impression, like you say that Flynn will be the story, and there's a long list of items waiting to be released.. I'd be surprised if anything direct links Trump, but the 'when did you know about Flynn' will bring down a lot of people.


"When did you know about Flynn"

"Why did you perjure yourself about what you knew about Flynn"

"Did you know that Flynn is now contradicting what you're saying and willing to testify about it"

That sort of thing.
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Post #7216 by jester » Thu May 18, 2017 2:04 pm

mcphee wrote:
jester wrote:
Dog wrote:
Correct, direct evidence of "collusion" hasn't been found. That would be case closed. The investigation is ongoing and fuelled by mounting circumstantial evidence (such as very unusual high volume of undisclosed and previously denied communications).


He also publicly asked Russia to hack Clinton. He was joking, but his cavalier attitude clearly extended to associates, etc. Trump may not have colluded with Russia, but at the very least he seems to be a "useful fool."

The Flynn story with Turkey is going to get bigger and bigger, I suspect.

I switched from the hockey game to CNN last night when the 4th goal was scored and Carl Bernstein was front and center. He was laughing at the GOP pundit, mainly whenever Flynn was mentioned. I got the impression, like you say that Flynn will be the story, and there's a long list of items waiting to be released.. I'd be surprised if anything direct links Trump, but the 'when did you know about Flynn' will bring down a lot of people.


I mean, he delayed a US military operation that a foreign government (Turkey) did not want to happen and that government was paying him. With reason, there is a lot of focus on Russia, but the Turkey story is almost a bigger holy shit story. They *knew* he was under investigation for his ties to Turkey and still installed him as NSA.

Of course, part of the problem may be that Trump is utterly oblivious to the notion of conflicts of interest as opposed to anything nefarious. I remain pretty dubious on the conspiracy story beyond some associates (eg Manafort), but the degree to which Trump and family are very obviously out of their depth is breathtaking and disturbing.
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Post #7217 by mayoradamwest » Thu May 18, 2017 2:12 pm

Dude was making some coin (or lira I guess.) why you gotta hate capitalism?
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America Inc. will be the most profitable country ever once he's done, I tell ya!!
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Post #7219 by senate » Thu May 18, 2017 2:38 pm

IcE ColD wrote:America Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Russian Federation, will be the most profitable country ever once he's done, I tell ya!!
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Post #7220 by jester » Thu May 18, 2017 4:45 pm

Joe Lieberman ... FBI Director ... what the fuck, man?
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Post #7221 by Dog » Thu May 18, 2017 5:00 pm

Probably better than naming Hulk Hogan, Trump's likely preferred choice.
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Post #7222 by clawfirst » Thu May 18, 2017 5:04 pm

At this point all i want is one day where nothing happens
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Post #7223 by edgar_dong » Thu May 18, 2017 5:08 pm

clawfirst wrote:At this point all i want is one day where nothing happens


What if I told you that nothing is happening? Image
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Post #7224 by Dog » Thu May 18, 2017 5:14 pm

Isn't the mere notion of nothing something?
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Post #7225 by TittiesNBeer » Thu May 18, 2017 5:25 pm

jester wrote:Joe Lieberman ... FBI Director ... what the fuck, man?


Is that an official nomination or just the "front runner"
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Post #7226 by AD » Thu May 18, 2017 6:40 pm

Dog wrote:Probably better than naming Hulk Hogan, Trump's likely preferred choice.


TripleH was the president's preferred choice.



#thingsthatshouldbeajokebutaren't

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Post #7227 by jester » Thu May 18, 2017 6:40 pm

TittiesNBeer wrote:
jester wrote:Joe Lieberman ... FBI Director ... what the fuck, man?


Is that an official nomination or just the "front runner"


Given the noise, I suspect it's going to happen. Has the advantage of pleasing McCain and Graham.
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Post #7228 by clawfirst » Thu May 18, 2017 6:42 pm

Its a pretty smart move hiring a lawyer you already have on retainer....
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Post #7229 by mayoradamwest » Thu May 18, 2017 7:34 pm

A politician is a scary pick for a police force. I vaguely remember him, but kinda not the point.

had he promised trump his loyalty?
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Post #7230 by mayoradamwest » Thu May 18, 2017 7:36 pm

clawfirst wrote:Its a pretty smart move hiring a lawyer you already have on retainer....

Oh. Financial relationship. Awesome stuff.
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Post #7232 by Dog » Thu May 18, 2017 9:31 pm

PredsFan77 wrote:https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-james-comey-told-me-about-donald-trump


My God man, that's even more long winded hot air than the shit I write.

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yeah but you aint lunch friends with comey tho doggo
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Post #7234 by Dog » Thu May 18, 2017 9:50 pm

I do have lunch with AD from time to time and he doesn't, tho.
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Post #7236 by AD » Thu May 18, 2017 9:56 pm

I don't ask him to kiss the ring.


That's a lot of words in an article to say that.
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Post #7237 by PredsFan77 » Thu May 18, 2017 10:02 pm

yeah but you arent president tho naners
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Post #7238 by AD » Thu May 18, 2017 10:06 pm

I'm not?!

Right. I'm not.
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Post #7239 by senate » Fri May 19, 2017 3:10 pm

That meeting must have been so surreal for the Russians.

President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved “great pressure” on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.

“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

Mr. Trump added, “I’m not under investigation.”


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Post #7240 by TittiesNBeer » Fri May 19, 2017 3:13 pm

Two Breaking stories... the NYT Piece and now this.

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Post #7242 by Boring Choice #2 » Fri May 19, 2017 3:30 pm

can the president be sued for slander?
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Post #7244 by AD » Fri May 19, 2017 3:41 pm

That would be big. Once its in the family...
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Post #7245 by PredsFan77 » Fri May 19, 2017 3:43 pm

Donnie gonna make a deal to keep jerry out of prison so ivanka dont get sad
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Post #7246 by TittiesNBeer » Fri May 19, 2017 3:49 pm

and now to hear from the Senator from Hawaii

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gonna have to watch all the presidents men this weekend
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Post #7248 by senate » Fri May 19, 2017 3:55 pm

Boring Choice #2 wrote:can the president be sued for slander?


Yes, but the President has civil immunity for his official acts so the question is whether Trump made his comments were part of performing an official act of diplomacy.

Also, the courts have never ruled if the President can be sued while in office or if any suit would have to be delayed until after he leaves. Yet, that might have an answer soon because Trump is currently being sued in a New York court for defamation for calling an Apprentice contest who accused him of groping her a liar.
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PredsFan77 wrote:https://twitter.com/TrueFactsStated/status/865651947864432640


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