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Post #801 by senate » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:00 pm

Dog wrote:It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The Dem controlled house could just restart the investigation in Jan if it gets nixed/stalled, from my understanding. I'm missing an angle. Senate, tell me what to think!


You are overthinking it. There's no angle or long term plan. If Trump decides to move against Mueller it will be based on a spur of the moment whim or tantrum, not a grand Machiavellian scheme.

Trump has been wanting to fire Sessions for months. Maybe his advisers convinced that he had to wait until after the midterms or, more likely, Trump was incapable of firing Sessions himself and he had to wait until Kelly was willing to do it. Regardless, Trump's motivation for the firing Sessions was not ending the Mueller investigation but revenge for a perceived slight.

Trump values loyalty (to Trump) above everything, so Rosenstein was never going to be allowed to be acting-AG because he has publicly been seen standing up to Trump. Whitaker was the biggest Trump loyalist in Justice Department so he was the obvious, and possibly only, choice. Yes, Whitaker has made anti-Mueller but so has every prominent Republican lawyer.
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Post #803 by Germz » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:35 pm

Dog wrote:The world is not ending, bananaman. The world is transitioning into a more open, wealthier, connected world. With some hiccups. Almost every indicator of humen well being has never been so high. Uneducated white mens are being displaced and are reacting. Dems will really find their groove when they start talking to them.


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Post #804 by senate » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:12 am

Dog wrote:
senate wrote:You are overthinking it.


That is impossible, Senate.

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Post #805 by senate » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:15 am

Germz wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55LC7H8aT6M


Enterprise, as a whole - not just the Manny Coto season, better or worse than Voyager?
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Post #806 by Slick Nick » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:21 am

Dog wrote:
AD wrote:This isn't about Democrats vs Republicans. If the Koch family starts pouring money for Hilary Clinton, Andrew Cuomo, Tom Perez type Democrat candidates, do you think that will help your dream of creating a Centre-Left Non-Authoritarian Liberal country?


Kocheses lost control the GOP because grassroots popular revolution. What makes you think they can take control of the Dems? In fact, Dems lost in 2016 in large part because they went with a centrist/center-right establishment old hag.

The world is not ending, bananaman. The world is transitioning into a more open, wealthier, connected world. With some hiccups. Almost every indicator of humen well being has never been so high. Uneducated white mens are being displaced and are reacting. Dems will really find their groove when they start talking to them.


Because the uneducated black mens of Detroit, Chicago and Cleveland are thriving... of waaaaaaaaaaaait, they're just struggling because of systemic racism, not because corporate america has sent all the average joe jobs elsewhere. When the dems win, Detroit and Baltimore will thrive because systemic racism will end.

I seriously want to physically cry when I read your rote learned stupidity and profound racism dog. Those poor white peeps who are struggling are not struggling because they are white and could have became lawyers and accountants... they are struggling for the exact same reason the poor black peeps are struggling, because both corporate dems and reps have sent avergae joe jobs elsewhere and because they don't have the IQ/ability/networking to become part of the gig/corporate economy. They have no future, they are poor, they are mad... and your stupid democrats have done as much if not more to get them in that state. The ghetto darkies and the trailerpark whities are in the same struggle, yet both parties keep on feeding them lies on how "muh immigrants" or "muh racism" is the problem.. while both parties are sold out to corporate means and have proposed no tangible solution to either.

And, yes, I'm aware that there are racism problems in the world... but kind words and slogans won't solve Detroit's poverty.
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Post #807 by PredsFan77 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:51 am

they legalized weed, they'll be the wealthiest state in the world soon enough
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hey another mass shooting in the US. shooter still at large. witness said it was a middle eastern man
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Post #810 by Germz » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:20 am

senate wrote:
Germz wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55LC7H8aT6M


Enterprise, as a whole - not just the Manny Coto season, better or worse than Voyager?


Can't really comment.
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Post #811 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:21 am

welcome back abroad.

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Post #812 by Germz » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:27 am

Dog wrote:Also, you lied to me, germs.

:crossarms:


I didn't lie, but I am pleased to see that many suburban voters remain fickle swing voters.
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Post #813 by chicpea » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:36 am

Hello, Richard. Welcome to my thread.
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Post #814 by Craig » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:00 am

Gee, what possible reason could there be for someone not reading everything you write?
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Post #815 by senate » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:21 am



A third seat?
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Post #816 by chicpea » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:34 am

Sounds like the GRU is up to their old tricks again.
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Post #817 by AD » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:48 am

Dog wrote:I was thinking of that. The poor 110 year old progressive judges having to hold on until 2020 must have been really dispirited when the Dems failled to win control of the senate. Watch them drop like flies now.


Note. When Obama was still in power, two of them refused to step down at that stage.
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Post #818 by Rick Middleton » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:48 am

chicpea wrote:Hello, Richard. Welcome to my thread.

Somehow you sound like Jigsaw. I'm a bit worried now.
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Post #819 by mcphee » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:28 am

Dog wrote:
chicpea wrote:Sounds like the GRU is up to their old tricks again.


She broke her ribs by falling on a pile of radioactive plutonium mysteriously placed in her bedroom?

Kavanagh reportedly stood over her shouting 'I like beer, I still like beer'.
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Post #820 by AD » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:08 am

Of course he could get it filled in 2014 and 15. He got Sotomayor in if you recall. The 2016 rationale was all about some stupid change of government shit the Republican Senate pulled.
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Post #821 by Craig » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:20 am

He got Kagan too, but weren't both of them under Democratic Senates?

He ought to have been able to get more. The 2016 shit was downright ridiculous, but how could you expect a justice to retire before they felt like it with more than a year to go before an election? That ruined everything, which is precisely why McConnel did it.
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Post #822 by AD » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:23 am

Wasn't she 83 at the time? Like... retire for fucks sake.
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Post #823 by AD » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:23 am

Obviously, now that she's 85, I don't want her to retire until she turns 87...
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Post #824 by AD » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:33 am

No I wanted them to retire in 2014 and 2015 when they were offered.
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Post #825 by Craig » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:39 am

Dog wrote:
Craig wrote:He got Kagan too, but weren't both of them under Democratic Senates?

He ought to have been able to get more. The 2016 shit was downright ridiculous, but how could you expect a justice to retire before they felt like it with more than a year to go before an election? That ruined everything, which is precisely why McConnel did it.


Kagan and Sotomayer were nominated before the 2010 midterms. Banana wanted progressive justices to retire more than 6 years before Obama presidency ended


You don't even pretend to listen to what other people say any more, huh?
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Post #826 by AD » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:45 am

Dog, can we meet at Square Vic metro so I can fight you?
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Post #827 by Craig » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:49 am

Sorry, I'm in a mood today.
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Post #828 by AD » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:57 am

Retire at age 80 and 83. Yes. Its a thing that makes sense.

And Republican Senate or not, they can't stop nominations forever. Merrick Garland would have easily gone in in 2014 or whatever. Compromise generally acceptable Justices. Not necessarily as left leaning as you'd want, but still.
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Post #829 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:02 pm

Dog wrote:relax people -look at the whole picture and stop freaking out because things aren’t perfect and new problems pop up as old ones get plugged. It’s progressive, iterative. The solution isn’t to go full panic mode mental and break everything and revert back in time to when we were all poorer and sicker and hungrier and more violent. I don’t even think that’s possible, frankly. Attempts to undo modernity will just hit a wall and disintegrate -likely after having caused so much suffering and harm and conflicts. The solution is to stay cool and stay rational.


tfw one argues with imaginative constructs.
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Post #830 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:03 pm

America's gonna get universal healthcare 'cuz a bunch of folks stayed cool. Imagine writing that wall of shit for about 30 minutes.
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Post #831 by shredz » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:11 pm

Yeah, pass some of that shit this way Dog. I'm in a mood.
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Post #832 by shredz » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:23 pm

Dog wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:America's gonna get universal healthcare 'cuz a bunch of folks stayed cool. Imagine writing that wall of shit for about 30 minutes.


What did inactionable revisionist purist dreams accomplish meanwhile?


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Post #833 by shredz » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:25 pm

Possible recounts in Florida and Georgia races

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Post #834 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:34 pm

Dog wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:America's gonna get universal healthcare 'cuz a bunch of folks stayed cool. Imagine writing that wall of shit for about 30 minutes.


Yeap. America IS going to get universal healthcare cause Obama and Dem controlled congress ramed through Obamacare, which would have been single payer were it not for Lieberman. So, they did the next best thing -the only thing they could do. And it worked. A GOP controlled congress and potus could not repeal it.....and the only logical way to fix it is to go universal. At this point, I think it’s inevitable. Question of time.

What did inactionable purist dreams accomplish meanwhile?


Thank goodness for good politicians who do good things.
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Post #835 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:39 pm

When you're a value village Stephen Pinker.
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Post #836 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:50 pm

Dog wrote:He does tend to be mostly right. Disagree with some, but not much.

Care to offer some substantive thoughts to counter?


Not even touching on the fact that most psychologists think he's a joke, it's been done.

https://patternsofmeaning.com/2018/05/1 ... -show-why/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... d=tw-share

If you read Angus Deaton you will get a starkly different picture of the Western world: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/24/opin ... tates.html

Pinker has been transitioning towards right-wing capitalism apology for years and has been aping conservative talking points about social justice and the so-called liberal grievance politics for a while, which is known by those who have done more than a cursory reading.

From his review of Heather MacDonald's book (a social conservative):

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That's Pinker on the back-cover alongside alt-right hero Peterson and the bell curve guy.
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Post #837 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:56 pm

Generally the notion of "don't worry, things will take care of themselves because we have smart, logical people in charge" dovetails nicely with free market evangelism and other viewpoints that place their faith in the wisdom of elites.

It is a shitty way to think about things, but you can always be a poor man's version of David Brooks if you are so inclined.
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Post #839 by Slick Nick » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:12 pm

Dog wrote:
Slick Nick wrote:*ripping his shirt and crying for effect*


You idiots never read anything I write. Bullet point:

- trade = specialization = greater aggregate wealth, but i) income displacement to those best suited to render service and ii) massive wealth distribution to consumers (everybody) in the form of much cheaper and better goods.

- automation -largely the same, but likely to only now really getting started. People don’t seem to realize the profondly transformative effect of the digital revolution and machine learning/ai.

Net results:

- the wealth gap accross the world is shrinking rapidely. If nothing else, this is the best news in the history of mankind! Why aren’t people out in the streets celebrating the exponential increase in average lifespans, good health including into late years, the near end to famine.... I mean, not perfect yet, still get exceptions, but litterally humens have never lived longer, been as healthy and been so “rich” as they are now;

- now, if you don’t care about 90% of humanity and want to just concentrate on the West, mistakenly seeing wealth as a zero sum game ala Trump nimcompoops because you bought the rhetoric, well, even here what you have is a relative decline, not an absolute decline. The old working class is (in relative measures) being left behind. This does not mean they are getting poorer on average in real dollar terms, just that they are getting richer much more slowly than other demographics. A few reasons, one being actually that many are “graduating” to middle/upper middle/upper class, but the biggest, on the aggregate, is that yes -the advanced economies (and even Developping economies to an extent) are “splinting” between “complex”/“human relations heavy”/“creative” jerbs and shitty jerbs.

- Trade and automation are certainly “killing” good paying “middle jerbs” (the mostly repetitive shit). But, what does that mean?

- On the consumer side (which we all are), it means cheaper, better, innovative goods. The very stuff that enables the massively longer lifespans, better health, dramatic decrease in world hunger. The fantastic/magical progress you get from reaping the rewards of specialization and science. Don’t brush that off. You have no right to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Specialization and science/tech have been the best boon for humanity in like ever. While people focus in on the narrow of their experience and develop amnesia, they forget to see that, on the whole, the humens have never had it better than now and that is precisely because of specilization and science/tech.

- on the income side, some (relatively limited) part of humanity are not increasing their overall wealth and wellbeing as much others. With a narrow view, it can seem like the end of the world. From a wider view, they are not, on the whole, getting poorer in real terms (mostly stagnating) and benefit massively as consumers (not just nintendos, but health and sanitation and food).

- as societies get richer, they tend to get more compassionate. Move up in the hierarchy of needs. Conflicts go down, social safety measures go up. US trends the same as the other developed countries, but is by far the most individualistic in its DNA and the one stuck with the biggest lingering legacy of racism that actually makes them make irrational costly mistakes (such as keeping healthcare insurance schemes largely workplace based).

- so, things aren’t perfect, biggest challenges are i) climate change -we won’t last long unless we get that under control real soon and ii) rising inequality of income/wealth, especially within advanced economies.

- let’s not talk about climate change here. Let’s talk about the second. Like mentionned, it is relative and not absolute decline and it is limited. Personally, I think it will only get worse. Trade is done. That’s the battle of the 90s being fought by Trump and the nitwits 2 decades too late. Automation is just about to transform society in accelerated mode. Inequality will go up.

- what to do? Break the machines and make ipads 100% in Indiana? All you’ll do is turn back the clock -make people on the whole poorer. Pull back efficiency and technological gains that have made this the best time ever to be a humens.

- I think, rather, that *this* is a good problem. A rich mens problem. What’s happening, macro level, is that we are ACCELERATING in efficiency and technological gains. That means accelerated aggregate wealth. The stuff that has fueled humanitiy’s escape from overwhelming grinding poverty and shitty life conditions is accelerating. On aggregate, we are getting ever more heathy and living more comfortable lives.

- but, as we get richer, social redistributions have to keep pace. As portions of the (for now mostly western) lower/working class get displaced -we got to ensure they can move up if they have the ability and pay them if not. Investments in high quality affordable education, high quality universal healthcare and, I think very likely in the coming decade or so, minimum guaranteed income. This also has to be accompanied by a cultural change, where people don’t identify their worth so closely with their work. If you have more free time and decent living conditions, use your free time for purposeful endeavours. Give back to the community, be creative, etc. Or watch TV, whateves. Without the social stigma, it wouldn’t have the depressive effect it now has.

- so, what’s the fix, according to dawg? 1) relax people -look at the whole picture and stop freaking out because things aren’t perfect and new problems pop up as old ones get plugged. It’s progressive, iterative. The solution isn’t to go full panic mode mental and break everything and revert back in time to when we were all poorer and sicker and hungrier and more violent. I don’t even think that’s possible, frankly. Attempts to undo modernity will just hit a wall and disintegrate -likely after having caused so much suffering and harm and conflicts. The solution is to stay cool and stay rational. “Oh look, specialization and science/tech have been the biggest boom to humanity ever! Let’s continue to do that, shall we??! Monitoring for patterns and problems and finding fixes as they emerge. Let’s not revert to cavemens or to the 1950s -the 50s sucked on pretty much all objective measures compared to today. Let’s not kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Let’s be chirurgical in addressing problems. If economic transitions hurt people, well now let’s compensate them. If less work is needed in the future (I’m not convinced, we also have less people coming up), well then let’s ensure the wealth gets spread and people develop other meaningful activities outside work. This whole dystopian view of a few oligarchs owning everything while everybody is a slave doesn’t even make sense in a capitalist society. You need freaking consumers with spending power. And in the unlikely event we revert to a feudal society, we’ll make the english/french revolution v2, but I don’t believe it. And even if you do, the thing to do now is to 1) appreciate what specialization plus science/tech bring to humanity (it would be an unconscionable crime against humanity -the biggest ever by far- to forfeit those gains) and 2) plug the wholes as they pop up. On that, we need to address climate change and address rising inequality in the west in such a way that doesn’t kill the magic golden egg laying goose. Center-left style redistributive policies is what I see. Places like Canada, Scandinavia, Germania are pretty much on the ball on this, I find.

What’s your solution, Nick? Oh noes Chinamens getting rich -make everything in Murka and increase the cost of everything tenfold? That sounds like a real catastrophe and rapid reduction in living standards accross the board.


I'll put you on food stamps while working at Wallmart with a hungry child at home while methheads are overdosing on every corner and see how much you care about the bigger picture you entitled little prick. Besides, the duty of a governement in a demcoratic system is to provide security and opportunities for every sphere of the society, not to care about making people elsewhere less poor...
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Post #842 by shredz » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:20 pm

Is Trump trying to shut down the investigation before the House convenes?

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Dog wrote:
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I'll put you on food stamps while working at Wallmart with a hungry child at home while methheads are overdosing on every corner and see how much you care about the bigger picture you entitled little prick. Besides, the duty of a governement in a demcoratic system is to provide security and opportunities for every sphere of the society, not to care about making people elsewhere less poor...


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Nuance, friend.

What I’m saying: « things aren’t perfect, but the overwhelming trend in the last few centuries -especially the past decades- is towards spectacular improvement. So, let’s look at why. What works? I think the motor is specialization and innovation. So, let’s not kill that while we work to solve the remaining problems. »

What you’re saying: « people are hurting...arrrrghhhhhh...break stuff!!! »

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I'm mostly saying stop treating them like human garbage and losers (deplorables) that only have their own inadequacies to blame, and actually do something to improve their living conditions... and in order to do that, you first have to acknowledge what the real problem is (economy, stagnating wages, inequalities) and it is not (identity politics).
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Post #845 by shredz » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:55 pm

Not enough people died.
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Yeah y’all dont care about the latest shooting
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Post #847 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:13 pm

They were dirty California libruls. Whaddya expect?
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Post #848 by shredz » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:00 pm

America has lost its damned mind and no block of text shall save it. We already have that tower of font with our Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc.

Its currently and has been spit on by a list of administrations. Everything might seem fine but if you peel each layer back you get a darker, corrupted scheme going on that benefits people like Dog, with all due respect. I'm just a regular guy, had to scratch and claw for everything I've got (not saying you have not worked hard or earned where you are at) - but its really beyond even you. Its very few people that have to "open the levers." Even the so-called "good towns" are filled with drugs, abuse, you name it. Society as a whole is truly fucked unless The People of The Book are correct and some friendly bum comes back to rid these evils off the face of the earth. :trump:
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And that's how the Trump family was created



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