Slick Nick wrote:Dog wrote:Slick Nick wrote:
I'll put you on food stamps while working at Wallmart with a hungry child at home while methheads are overdosing on every corner and see how much you care about the bigger picture you entitled little prick. Besides, the duty of a governement in a demcoratic system is to provide security and opportunities for every sphere of the society, not to care about making people elsewhere less poor...
What I’m saying: « things aren’t perfect, but the overwhelming trend in the last few centuries -especially the past decades- is towards spectacular improvement. So, let’s look at why. What works? I think the motor is specialization and innovation. So, let’s not kill that while we work to solve the remaining problems. »
What you’re saying: « people are hurting...arrrrghhhhhh...break stuff!!! »
I'm mostly saying stop treating them like human garbage and losers (deplorables) that only have their own inadequacies to blame, and actually do something to improve their living conditions... and in order to do that, you first have to acknowledge what the real problem is (economy, stagnating wages, inequalities) and it is not (identity politics).
The real problem, nick, is higher level than that. Those are symptoms. What’s going on is that we are in accelerating economic transition to a post industrial and increasingly post (certain) services economy. And that is good. That is great! That is more wealth (which is something that is created by efficiency and innovation) and better living conditions. What it does though is have side effects. Those effects include making less skilled / non human relations jobs increasingly more expandable. Manufacturing has largely gone. The next wave will be largely technology driven. The biggest occupation for males in the US is driving things. That’s going to disappear by in large in the next years. Most clerical white color office jobs will as well. We certainly are in times of transition and we certainly have to get ahead of the curve and minimize impacts -hence why I’ve been harping about redistributive policies and have shifted pretty solidly to center left. What we don’t need to do is lose our minds and bite the hand that feeds you. The solution isn’t to revert to a pre-trade / pre-technological society. That would basically kill all human progress of the past decades/centuries. Seriously, in this thread, the initial post I replied to had you wanting to make shit in Murka. From a humanity perspective, how do you justify prioritizing working class americans (which, all things considered have it significantly better than most people in developing countries) above chinamens or vietnamese or africans? From an internal fairness perspective, how do you justify making everybody pay more for the thing (which will include millions and millions of poorer people) to give that guy a salary. It’s stupid. It’s basically a « give Bob money tax ».
These things need to be much more rational and universal in application. They also need to not be counter-productive and actually lower living conditioms and undo progress.
Moral outrage is fun, but the real worth is in actually solving things and that requires a cool head and measured approach -not a mindless sledgehammer because emotions!