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Re: Middle East GDT IV

Post #1001 by PredsFan77 » Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:45 pm

here's what departures looked like in the overnight hours, the flight path is not terribly different to others and on google earth nothing sticks out as some military site.



but some speculation on what the area they were about to fly over was for and the suspected SAM site



but my guess it's just another excuse. tired, trigger happy, and mistakes happen
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Post #1002 by shredz » Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:11 pm

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There is a military complex in Pasdaran district in Tehran, near the airport.

It’s getting clearer that the Ukrainian airliner that crashed in Tehran on Wednesday was shot down by an Iranian missile. It’s far from clear whether Iranian forces mistook the plane for an enemy aircraft, shot it down intentionally, or perhaps allowed an air defense system to fire autonomously.

American officials said Thursday that launch detection satellites and other intelligence showed that Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 was downed by an Iranian missile minutes after taking off from Imam Khomeini International Airport in Tehran. All 176 people aboard the Boeing 737-800 were killed.

“What’s bizarre about it being a mistake, is that not only was this an airliner that’s operating at medium altitude, it was departing from the nearby airport in Iran leaving the country, not descending into the country from outside of the country,” said David Deptula, a retired U.S. Air Force lieutenant general who was principal attack planner for Operation Desert Storm. “You scratch your head and go, ‘Holy cow, how could this happen?’”

The incident occurred just hours after Iran fired 16 missiles at U.S. forces based in Iraq.

“This occurred five hours after the Iranians launched ballistic missiles against the sites in Iraq, so the [surface-to-air missile] battery operators are at a high-level of alert and sensitivity,” Deputla said. “One can envision and hypothesize a situation where this target is viewed as an inbound target, but it’s really hard to figure out.”

Militaries usually follow specialized checklists to identify objects appearing on a radar screen.

“There are established procedures to achieve positive verification [and] positive identification,” Deptula said. “But remember, when you have humans involved and tensions and anxiety in a combat situation, people make mistakes.”

In 1988, the crew of the Vincennes, a U.S. Navy guided missile cruiser, mistakenly shot down an Iranian airliner flying from Tehran to Dubai. During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the U.S. military mistakenly shot down a British Tornado jet when a Patriot interceptor mistook the warplane for an anti-radiation missile. And in 2014, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was brought down by a Russian Buk missile over Ukraine.

“In one sense [the crash in Tehran is] a bit different; in the other, it’s not,” Deptula said. “There are mistakes that are made particularly in high-pressure, high-tension situations.”

A surface-to-air missile battery operator typically tries to get positive identification of a suspicious aircraft before firing. Since all commercial airliners have a transponder that sends out unique information about that particular aircraft — known as a squawk — the missile operator should check for this info.

“You don’t have to have a radar hit for that,” Deptula said. “That is a device that actually transmits that information.”

If a plane is not transmitting a squawk, the surface-to-air missile operator should check the local flight timetable. If there’s nothing on the flight schedule, he or she should next analyze the flight characteristics of the plane.

“Is this airplane coming in at low altitude and high speed [while] heading toward a sensitive operating area,” Deptula said. “Or is it climbing out on a profile, going through medium altitude at a speed typical of an airliner…and what’s its vector.

“Any one of those three elements, you then have a good sense as to whether this is a hostile aircraft or a friendly or remains an unknown,” he said.

Each country has rules of engagement that dictate when to fire anti-aircraft missiles.

Ukraine Airlines Flight 752 was climbing to the northwest — away from Tehran— and was at 7,925 feet at a speed of 275 knots when its squawk was lost, according to flight tracking data from Flightradar24.

The Defense Intelligence Agency said in its most recent public assessment of Iran’s military said its “fielding more-capable, domestically developed SAM and radar systems to help fill gaps in its air defenses.”

A U.S. official told the New York Times that a missile from a SA-15 air defense system shot down the plane. The system can operate in autonomous mode, according to a Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance fact sheet.

A former senior defense official called the incident “totally unacceptable incompetence.” Iran’s air defenses “basically don’t clear anything, they just shoot,” the former official said.

“We really won’t know [what happened] until there’s an investigation and the people who were involved are debriefed,” Deptula said. “But I doubt we’re going to find that out anyway.”


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Post #1003 by shredz » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:56 pm



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Post #1005 by AD » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:46 am

Doesnt Israel do that everyday to reporters?
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Post #1006 by shredz » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:50 am

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Post #1007 by mooseOAK » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:57 am

Iran admitting fault doesn't stop the conspiracy theories.
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Post #1008 by shredz » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:39 pm



also, more rockets being fired at a base with US troops in Taiji, Iraq.
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Post #1009 by PredsFan77 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:22 pm

so it isnt over?
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Post #1010 by chicpea » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:11 pm

PredsFan77 wrote:i don't know many pilots that would say anything like "all is peaceful and all is ok". sounds made up.


My dad was a pilot. That's all I ever heard him say.
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Post #1011 by PredsFan77 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:35 pm

was he a monk too
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Post #1012 by Dog » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:40 pm

Because hey why not:

Iran plane downing: Person who filmed video arrested https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51114945
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Post #1014 by shredz » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:49 am

PredsFan77 wrote:so it isnt over?


Iranians are done. Its been a low intensity conflict from the proxies. Daily lob of rockets only hurting Iraqis.



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Post #1017 by shredz » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:55 pm

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On that same backpacking trip, in Tehran and Isfahan, I met many Iranians whose greatest fear was that their government would develop nuclear weapons, thus guaranteeing its survival—and their own captivity in a totalitarian theocracy—for the next half century or more. The mood in Tehran in particular was depressive. Even during the Green revolt, they thought rebellion was pointless, because the government would outlast the protests. The only adversary to the Iranian government that mattered, they said, was the United States, whose intervention they both feared and desired, like a rough course of chemo that was the last chance to shrink a cancer that their own body had failed to contain.

The best places to find these forlorn liberals, I found, were the hiking trails on the northern edge of Tehran. There they picnicked together and disappeared, like Winston and Julia in 1984, into the safety of nature, for a glass of wine and maybe a roll in the grass.


How Stressed Is Iran?
The Iranian people are, for the first time in decades, worried about whether the leaders who have been their captors are not also their protectors
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Post #1020 by shredz » Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:44 pm

Such severe revenge.


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