dempsey_k wrote:- This is an issue most used to appeal to tax paying honkies to fear darkies taking advantage of the system, and its framing is pernicious. Yes, if the US were to absorb India, our welfare state's floor would blow out from under it. But let's get something straight here: the quota on the number of people allowed in every year legally in the US and Canada is exceptionally small. So small that (AFAIK) it clocks slower than both of our average population growths without immigration. And our politicians are saying we can't handle it RIGHT NOW. Even worse is that our xenophobic politicians in the US are saying that the status quo with illegal immigrants is preferable, where they have to use emergency room care which drives up prices for everyone else, and yet payroll taxes on their labor is fair game so they aren't entitled to the welfare state they pay into as fruit pickers. This is an area where immigration reform and guest worker programs need to be tied into the healthcare system, and it's not impossible, even in our current dipshit Congress.
But we haven't been talking about the US. I agree with most of your sentiments (especially that the quotas are too small), but it's a different situation for European / Canadian socialized healthcare, where a huge influx of low wage immigrants would be receiving top quality healthcare while paying very little into it.
Interesting chart. A question, though: is that for legal immigrants only, or including illegal ones?
Lowered wages wouldn't be a point of concern with UBI, jobs programs, and minimum wage indexed to inflation on the threshold of the disemployment rabbit hole, but if it were still an issue, there's the simple fact that migrant workers in guest worker programs are sorely needed right now for agricultural and construction work, not to mention a lot of tech jobs companies can't find the applicants for. Tied in to a decent welfare state, this isn't a real concern. Without one, yeah it might be, which is why we should be wary of silver tongued libertarian and Chamber of Commerce snakes who are for immigration.
If people are so desperately needed the agricultural and construction industries, why aren't the wages higher? I get that there's the argument that there are jobs that Americans (and Europeans and Canadians etc) won't do, but what I read when I see that is that there are jobs that Americans won't do for shit money. I suppose your argument would be stronger if we weren't rolling at such high levels of unemployment right now.
I really don't think this is a serious issue at all. The Chinese drive up housing prices, not Mexicans and Vietnamese.
Nonsense. There are price pressures from the bottom and the top.
All in all, we probably agree more than we disagree. We almost certainly do need to increase immigration in order to support the demographic imbalance due to the baby boomers retiring (and Europe, particularly Germany has this problem worse than we do), but opening a dam is going to cause some reasonably concerns.