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Post #51 by Mr Nice Guy » Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:44 pm

Craig wrote:Bring it on. It will probably make all the goods and services around me cheaper while my income stays the same. Plus I love Indian food.


Lots of English speaking, low wage Indian programmers willing to do your job. Just ask RBC.. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/rbc-replaces-canadian-staff-with-foreign-workers-1.1315008
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Post #52 by Mr Nice Guy » Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:23 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Being factually wrong could get you easily mistaken for a xenophobe, for putting non-issues (such as wages, housing) as the reason to keep darkies out.


Why are they non-issues?

We've had discussions on this forum about how jobs are disappearing for low-skilled workers. How does adding a bunch more competition for the remaining jobs help matters? Might help someone like Craig, but not the average fast food worker who is trying to survive on minimum wage at 20hrs/week.

As for housing stock, sure, you can say that supply will eventually catch up with demand, but in many urban areas you can't really increase supply. Which just means that people will have to travel further to get to jobs than they already do. Which will also put the public transit system under strain.

I can understand the argument that it would be a net benefit to the country as a whole (though I'm skeptical at this point), but certainly there are going to be losers. The people who stand to lose just happen to be the same people who are already under significant economic duress.
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Post #53 by Craig » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:12 pm

Mr Nice Guy wrote:Lots of English speaking, low wage Indian programmers willing to do your job. Just ask RBC.. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/rbc-replaces-canadian-staff-with-foreign-workers-1.1315008


Man, I literally just explained why this doesn't apply to my job. But I'm sure your vague example of literally dozens of people being fired is more credible.
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Post #54 by Mr Nice Guy » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:36 pm

Craig wrote:Man, I literally just explained why this doesn't apply to my job. But I'm sure your vague example of literally dozens of people being fired is more credible.


Scanned the thread too fast, I guess.
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Post #55 by AD » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:43 am

And raising house prices are a good thing. Or at least not necessarily a bad thing.
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Post #56 by Craig » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:49 am

AD wrote:And raising house prices are a good thing. Or at least not necessarily a bad thing.


It's especially good for the people who already own houses. Which in this scenario is everyone but the immigrants.
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Post #57 by AD » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:55 am

Craig wrote:It's especially good for the people who already own houses. Which in this scenario is everyone but the immigrants.


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Post #58 by Mr Nice Guy » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:19 pm

dempsey_k wrote:- This is an issue most used to appeal to tax paying honkies to fear darkies taking advantage of the system, and its framing is pernicious. Yes, if the US were to absorb India, our welfare state's floor would blow out from under it. But let's get something straight here: the quota on the number of people allowed in every year legally in the US and Canada is exceptionally small. So small that (AFAIK) it clocks slower than both of our average population growths without immigration. And our politicians are saying we can't handle it RIGHT NOW. Even worse is that our xenophobic politicians in the US are saying that the status quo with illegal immigrants is preferable, where they have to use emergency room care which drives up prices for everyone else, and yet payroll taxes on their labor is fair game so they aren't entitled to the welfare state they pay into as fruit pickers. This is an area where immigration reform and guest worker programs need to be tied into the healthcare system, and it's not impossible, even in our current dipshit Congress.


But we haven't been talking about the US. I agree with most of your sentiments (especially that the quotas are too small), but it's a different situation for European / Canadian socialized healthcare, where a huge influx of low wage immigrants would be receiving top quality healthcare while paying very little into it.

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Interesting chart. A question, though: is that for legal immigrants only, or including illegal ones?

Lowered wages wouldn't be a point of concern with UBI, jobs programs, and minimum wage indexed to inflation on the threshold of the disemployment rabbit hole, but if it were still an issue, there's the simple fact that migrant workers in guest worker programs are sorely needed right now for agricultural and construction work, not to mention a lot of tech jobs companies can't find the applicants for. Tied in to a decent welfare state, this isn't a real concern. Without one, yeah it might be, which is why we should be wary of silver tongued libertarian and Chamber of Commerce snakes who are for immigration.


If people are so desperately needed the agricultural and construction industries, why aren't the wages higher? I get that there's the argument that there are jobs that Americans (and Europeans and Canadians etc) won't do, but what I read when I see that is that there are jobs that Americans won't do for shit money. I suppose your argument would be stronger if we weren't rolling at such high levels of unemployment right now.

I really don't think this is a serious issue at all. The Chinese drive up housing prices, not Mexicans and Vietnamese.

Nonsense. There are price pressures from the bottom and the top.

All in all, we probably agree more than we disagree. We almost certainly do need to increase immigration in order to support the demographic imbalance due to the baby boomers retiring (and Europe, particularly Germany has this problem worse than we do), but opening a dam is going to cause some reasonably concerns.
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Post #59 by RTWAP » Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:58 pm

Mr Nice Guy wrote:Interesting chart. A question, though: is that for legal immigrants only, or including illegal ones?


I'm gonna guess that illegal immigrants have a lower crime rate than legal ones. Any casual contact with law enforcement can result in them being deported.
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Post #60 by Craig » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:47 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Venice is on the secession march. If you never realized, Venetian is as different a language from "Italian" as Spanish or Portuguese. Italian is just Florentine dialect because Venice, Sicily, and Savoy/Genoa never produced a match for Dante.


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/03/europes-latest-secession-movement-venice/284562/

This is actually pretty interesting, I had no idea the movement was so strong:

On Friday night, people waving red-and-gold flags emblazoned with the Lion of St. Mark filled the square of Treviso, a city in the Veneto region, as the referendum's organizers announced the results: 2,102,969 votes in favor of independence—a whopping 89 percent of all ballots cast—to 257,266 votes against. Venetians also said yes to joining NATO, the EU, and the eurozone. The overwhelming victory surprised even ardent supporters of the initiative, as most polls before the referendum estimated only about 65 percent of the region's voters supported independence.


Even the 65% comes as a surprise to me. I wonder if the eventual future for Europe is a return to city-states, but this time they're all united under the EU banner.
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Post #61 by Sturminator » Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:09 pm

dempsey_k wrote:One huge part of Venice's wanting to break away is the north-south issue in Italy that's been constant over the past two centuries. Northerners not only speak a different language, they often look different (Lombard/Germanic raping/pillaging obvi), have different politics, and have a better economy. The next question is if other northerners want to break off.


Yes, northern italians are somewhat more civilized. Southern wops and sicilians were also penally influenced by da a-rabs for some centuries, so obviously that is another strike against them. The country can't split, though, because southern italy would instantly be in worse shape than greece. It would be like letting Alabama and Mississippi secede. You may as well have a vote on whether to accept the IMF rescue package right along with the secession referendum. Save some time.
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Post #62 by NyQuil » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:36 pm

The problem with Venice is that they can't create settlers for new cities.

They have to use a "Merchant of Venice" unit to puppet nearby city states.

However, unlike other civilizations, they are able to use the buy command in puppeted cities.
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Post #63 by NyQuil » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:54 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Pound of flesh?


Hath not a Venetian Separatist eyes?
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Post #64 by Craig » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:55 pm

NyQuil wrote:Hath not a Venetian Separatist eyes?


No, because they're blinds.
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Post #65 by Craig » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:55 pm

I'll uh, show myself out.
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Post #66 by PredsFan77 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:28 pm

Venice sucks anyway
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Post #67 by Dog » Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:08 pm

Venice is very nice, actually.
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Post #68 by PredsFan77 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:03 pm

Nope.
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Post #69 by RTWAP » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:06 am

PredsFan77 wrote:
Dog wrote:Venice is very nice, actually.
Nope.


I'm pretty sure it is. It's right there in the name. VEryNICE.
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Post #70 by senate » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:11 am

RTWAP wrote:I'm pretty sure it is. It's right there in the name. VEryNICE.


No, you misunderstand the subtleties of the Italian language. The name means is very much like Nice, France.
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Post #71 by PredsFan77 » Sun May 25, 2014 5:33 pm

they missed crimea.
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Post #72 by Macbeth » Sun May 25, 2014 6:05 pm

Will make for an interesting discussion with the few french and belgian fucks I know intimately.

Mongos, the lot of them, really.
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Post #73 by Dog » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:25 am

Meh, Justin Trudeau has pretty much said the same.
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Post #74 by AD » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:41 am

Dog wrote:Meh, Justin Trudeau has pretty much said the same.


Illiberal, not illiterate.
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Post #75 by Dog » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:42 pm

Nice article, with greece and the eurozone coming back to the forefront with greek elections around the corner and what appears to be deflation in the euro zone in December with resistance persistant on QE.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/11325993/Greece-vs-Europe-who-will-blink-first.html
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Post #76 by Craig » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:45 pm

Dog wrote:Nice article, with greece and the eurozone coming back to the forefront with greek elections around the corner and what appears to be deflation in the euro zone in December with resistance persistant on QE.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/11325993/Greece-vs-Europe-who-will-blink-first.html


Lol, link doesn't work because they got hacked by the Syrian Electronic Army.
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Post #77 by Dog » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:46 pm

Craig wrote:Lol, link doesn't work because they got hacked by the Syrian Electronic Army.


Works for me.

Maybe you got hacked by the Syrian Electronic Army?

:dunno:
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Post #78 by AD » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:52 pm

Works for me too... Craig. :squint:
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Post #79 by AD » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:55 pm

he wants the same level of debt relief – 50 per cent – that Germany secured in 1953, which Greece signed up to despite the death of some 300,000 of its citizens under Nazi occupation.


I love everything about this statement. Eveything. It's fantastic.
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Post #80 by Dog » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:57 pm

AD wrote:I love everything about this statement. Eveything. It's fantastic.


We want 50% debt relief and the heads of 300,000 Germans on a plate!
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Post #81 by Craig » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:13 pm

Dog wrote:We want 50% debt relief and the heads of 300,000 Germans on a plate!


This is why Greece will never have good finances. They just can't wrap their heads around inflation. Any competent economist would be demanding at least half a million German heads.
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Post #82 by Dog » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:16 pm

Craig wrote:This is why Greece will never have good finances. They just can't wrap their heads around inflation. Any competent economist would be demanding at least half a million German heads.


I thought about adding "adjusted to inflation" but then I thought naw, not greek. Here we are.
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Post #83 by Dog » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:20 pm

Do we just ban Craig or continue talking to the Syrian Electronic Army through "Craig".
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Post #84 by Craig » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:21 pm

You think Syrians hacked my work laptop to block my access to random telegraph.co.uk articles?
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Post #85 by Craig » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:22 pm

Hey, I looked it up. They hacked them back in November and I apparently need to clear my cache to fix it.
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Post #86 by Dog » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:24 pm

Whatever you say, Bashar.
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Post #87 by Artie » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:55 am

oof, not a good day in Paris
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Post #90 by Sturminator » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:09 am

Lord Chezz wrote:The Greeks aren't very smart, eh?


Honestly, the Greeks douched themselves up pretty bad, but the indefatigable German austerity boner is a big part of the problem at this point. A bit of push-back from the profligate sheep-fuckers to the south may actually do the EU some good.
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Post #91 by Dog » Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:05 pm

Sturminator wrote:Honestly, the Greeks douched themselves up pretty bad, but the indefatigable German austerity boner is a big part of the problem at this point. A bit of push-back from the profligate sheep-fuckers to the south may actually do the EU some good.


Markets seem to have actually taken it this way. A good thing that can help EU get it's dysfunctional shit together once and for all.

Stupid markets.
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Post #92 by AD » Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:26 am

The Germans should have wiped them out 70 years ago.

And then again 5 years ago.
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Post #93 by PredsFan77 » Fri May 08, 2015 1:39 pm

HAPPY V-E DAY
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Re: Europa raped by Zeus

Post #94 by PredsFan77 » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:00 am

I'D LIKE TO DEDICATE THIS SONG FOR ALL MY FRIENDS IN GREECE.



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Re: Europa raped by Zeus

Post #95 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:09 pm

"If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything." - Ronald Coase
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Post #96 by AD » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:23 pm

Entertaining article. I like authors that don't try to say they have the solution. Its refreshing.

Now hand me that popcorn and lets watch this thing til the credits.

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