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Post #151 by Pennywise » Fri May 23, 2014 12:08 pm

Interactive chart: What causes the most death and disability in each country?

I gotta post at least one interactive chart per day.
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Post #152 by Captain Roy Bringus » Sun May 25, 2014 3:02 pm

lol, France.
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Post #154 by PPJ » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:57 am

dempsey_k wrote:Remarkable protest outside the US Embassy in China gets steamy (NSFW):

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Post #155 by PPJ » Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:55 am

dempsey_k wrote:Eduard Shevardnadze dead. A very interesting figure who was an ally of Gorbachev during glasnost and perestroika. Just shows the gulf between where the Soviet Union was and where their leaders in the late '80s wanted to go in how they all wouldn't pass the smell test today despite rampant corruption in most post-Soviet states. Putin, of course, turned that car around and went to Winnipeg.


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Post #157 by edgar_dong » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:21 pm

Image sets the world straight again.

Back in July, Barack Obama signed an executive order punishing anyone responsible for some of the hideous excesses of the Congolese civil war.

Hardly anyone noticed Obama's order. But for the record, the people it targets have reportedly committed: mass rape (of men and women, by rebels and government soldiers) often in front of communities and families, or forcing people to rape each other, as a weapon of war; inventive torture (forcing men to copulate with holes in the ground lined with razor blades, forcing women to eat excrement or flesh of relatives); casual and varied forms of murder (including firing weapons up women's vaginas); use of child soldiers; and ethnic cleansing.

The list goes on.

The Congo war has killed five million people, directly and indirectly, since 1998 — more than the wars in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq put together, as one national newspaper here noted recently.

Obama's punishment for the culprits? Financial discomfort.

He broadened the reach of U.S.-UN sanctions to take in a wider group of participants. (They'd better not show up in America, or open a bank account here, or they'll be sorry.)

Then, a month after he signed the order, Obama invited Congo's unsavory president, Joseph Kabila, to the White House for dinner.

Compared to the acts committed by Kabila's military and the rebels fighting it, and the interventions by neighbouring Rwanda, the 20,000 or so fighters of ISIS are tenderfoot apprentices in the atrocity business.

Yet ISIS merits what is obviously just the beginning of a full-scale American re-invasion of Iraq, and perhaps even Syria.


Look around, ISIS's acolytes are just apprentices at atrocity
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Post #158 by Ernie » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:43 pm

Calling it "Kabila's military" is a pretty big stretch. As far as I can tell, the military is basically a bunch of local warlords who are paid off not to go on rape sprees.
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Post #160 by Ernie » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:18 pm

Some background:

Kim Jong-un has lost control of North Korea, ex-official says

The assertion comes amid reports that the North Korean capital of Pyongyang has gone into "lockdown". The respected New Focus International news website reports that "entry and exit permissions" were restricted on 27 September, limiting the movement of Pyongyang residents who, according to the Daily Telegraph, are "by definition the elite of the regime".


http://www.theweek.co.uk/people/kim-jong-un/60578/kim-jong-un-has-lost-control-of-north-korea-ex-official-says#ixzz3FCJSVV62
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Post #161 by senate » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:40 pm

Nobody wants to follow a 30-something year old with cheese-induced gout.
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Post #162 by mayoradamwest » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:42 pm

senate wrote:Nobody wants to follow a 30-something year old with cheese-induced gout.


I dunno, lots of leaf fans wear Phaneuf jerseys.
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Post #163 by AD » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:38 am

I'm here right now. They need to curb some systemic corruption problems if they truly want to become a success. It's rotting their social infrastructure to the bone.
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Post #164 by AD » Tue Dec 09, 2014 6:52 am

I think this type of clean up has to be top down and grassroots at the same time.

The local taxi driver in a southern village needs to know that the guy renewing his permit isn't pocketing 50% of the fee. Which means he needs to trust the cop that he goes whining to. Which means he has to trust the local clerk/judge. Etc etc.

It is so prevalent, they almost have to have a "break" from whatever they call civil society here.
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Post #165 by MP » Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:59 am

AD wrote:I'm here right now. They need to curb some systemic corruption problems if they truly want to become a success. It's rotting their social infrastructure to the bone.


So it's like Quebec?
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Post #166 by AD » Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:10 pm

The Merkel piece in the New Yorker is good. Go read it.
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Post #167 by AD » Sat Dec 13, 2014 7:41 pm

Yes.
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Post #168 by RTWAP » Tue Dec 16, 2014 3:04 am

Good read. Interesting comparison to Obama too.
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Post #169 by Dr_Chimera » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:28 pm

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Post #170 by senate » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:03 pm

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Post #171 by Captain Roy Bringus » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:49 pm

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Post #172 by Pennywise » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:56 am

RADIOACTIVE DRONE FOUND ON JAPANESE PM'S ROOF.
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Post #174 by NyQuil » Wed May 13, 2015 5:49 pm

North Korea executed its defense chief by putting him in front of an anti-aircraft gun at a firing range, Seoul's National Intelligence Service told lawmakers, which would be the latest in a series of high-level purges since Kim Jong Un took charge.

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Post #175 by jester » Wed May 13, 2015 9:22 pm

Doesn't seem like the worst way to go.
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Post #176 by edgar_dong » Sat Sep 19, 2015 2:41 pm

'Stralia's new Ministré Premieré certainly talks the talk. Image
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Post #177 by mayoradamwest » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:41 pm

so.... Turkey, about that NATO membership...
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Post #178 by Dog » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:31 am

'Bama says Turkey has the right to kill Ruskies, maw.

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Post #179 by Dog » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:45 am

Rusha to move air defence system to Syria. Things will get innaresting if they down a Turkish jet.
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Post #180 by vonbonds » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:11 pm

Syria, this generation's Afghanistan. Witness two diminishing superpowers fight each other's technology by uneducated 15 year old kids from foreign lands.
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Post #181 by AD » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:23 pm

Russia and Turkey going at it is all kinds of good news for the world. Especially if NATO backs off.
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Post #182 by mayoradamwest » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:09 pm

Dog wrote:'Bama says Turkey has the right to kill Ruskies, maw.

:crossarms:


No arguments from me, unless they want any help whatsoever.
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Post #183 by MP » Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:21 pm

Turkey vs. Russia in a good ol' fashion pissing match on Thanksgiving weekend.

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Post #184 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:05 pm

Turkish intelligence chief wants ISIS to open a consulate in the country: http://www.awdnews.com/top-news/turkish ... the-future

Why are they in NATO?
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Post #185 by AD » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:34 pm

Well. These aren't the Turks that joined NATO all those years ago when blocking commie Russia was a thing.
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Post #186 by edgar_dong » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:36 pm

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Post #187 by PredsFan77 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:26 pm

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Post #188 by Dr_Chimera » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:35 pm

(Airwars) reports that Russian strikes are killing civilians at a rate roughly 10 times faster than the coalition.


http://time.com/4129222/russia-airstrik ... lties-isis

10x more lethal than those prancing pansies.
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Post #190 by AD » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:50 am

We live in peculiar times my friends.
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Post #192 by Dr_Chimera » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:45 pm

Love this headline from CNN: "Russia, Turkey trade accusations over who bought oil from ISIS"

As if it's either/or, matter of opinion. Could be Russia, could be Turkey. Typical Western media horseshit.
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Post #193 by Dr_Chimera » Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:47 pm

Also Jeremy Corbyn is the shit.

These are the points Corbyn made in the House of Commons:

1. “Does the Prime Minister believe that extending air strikes to Syria – which is already being bombed by the US, France, Russia and other powers – will make a significant military impact on a campaign which has so far seen ISIS gain, as well as lose, territory?

“Does he expect it will be a war-winning strategy? And why does he think other members of the original coalition – including the Gulf States, Canada and Australia – have halted their participation?”

2. “Is the Prime Minister’s view that the air campaign against ISIS-held areas can be successful without ground forces?

“If not, does he believe that Kurdish forces or the relatively marginal and remote Free Syrian Army would be in a position to take back ISIS-held territory if the air campaign were successful?

“Is it not more likely that other stronger jihadist and radical Salafist forces would take over?”

3. “Without credible or acceptable ground forces, isn’t the logic of an intensified air campaign mission creep and western boots on the ground? Can he today rule out the deployment of British ground forces to Syria?”

4. “Does the Prime Minister believe that UN Security Council Resolution 2249 gives ‘clear and unambiguous authorisation’ for UK air strikes?

“And what coordinated action with other UN member states has there been under the terms of the resolution to cut off funding, oil revenues and arms supplies from ISIS in the territory it currently holds?

“And in the absence of any coordinated UN military or diplomatic strategy, does he believe that more military forces over Syria could increase the risks of dangerous incidents, such as the shooting down of a Russian military aircraft by Turkish forces this week?”

5. “How does the Prime Minister think an extension of UK bombing would contribute to a comprehensive negotiated political settlement of the Syrian civil war, which is widely believed to be the only way to ensure the defeat of ISIS in the country?

6. “What assessment has the Prime Minister been given about the likely impact of British air strikes in Syria on the threat of terrorist attacks in the UK?

“And what impact does he believe an intensified air campaign will have on civilian casualties in ISIS-held Syrian territory and the wider Syrian refugee crisis?”

7. “In the light of the record of western military interventions in recent years, including in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya does the Prime Minister accept that UK bombing of Syria could risk more of what President Obama called ‘unintended consequences’ – and that a lasting defeat of ISIS can only be secured by Syrians and forces from within the region?”


Corbyn has also stressed the need to look into the sources of funding that have been empowering ISIS before committing to bombing campaigns, including potentially sanctioning banks.
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Post #195 by Dr_Chimera » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:38 am

More Seymour Hersh on Syria and Turkey's role in funding terrorism. Very good piece. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m- ... o-military

The flow of US intelligence to the Syrian army, and the downgrading of the quality of the arms being supplied to the rebels, came at a critical juncture. The Syrian army had suffered heavy losses in the spring of 2013 in fighting against Jabhat al-Nusra and other extremist groups as it failed to hold the provincial capital of Raqqa. Sporadic Syrian army and air-force raids continued in the area for months, with little success, until it was decided to withdraw from Raqqa and other hard to defend, lightly populated areas in the north and west and focus instead on consolidating the government’s hold on Damascus and the heavily populated areas linking the capital to Latakia in the north-east. But as the army gained in strength with the Joint Chiefs’ support, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey escalated their financing and arming of Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State, which by the end of 2013 had made enormous gains on both sides of the Syria/Iraq border. The remaining non-fundamentalist rebels found themselves fighting – and losing – pitched battles against the extremists. In January 2014, IS took complete control of Raqqa and the tribal areas around it from al-Nusra and established the city as its base. Assad still controlled 80 per cent of the Syrian population, but he had lost a vast amount of territory.

CIA efforts to train the moderate rebel forces were also failing badly. ‘The CIA’s training camp was in Jordan and was controlled by a Syrian tribal group,’ the JCS adviser said. There was a suspicion that some of those who signed up for training were actually Syrian army regulars minus their uniforms. This had happened before, at the height of the Iraqi war, when hundreds of Shia militia members showed up at American training camps for new uniforms, weapons and a few days of training, and then disappeared into the desert. A separate training programme, set up by the Pentagon in Turkey, fared no better. The Pentagon acknowledged in September that only ‘four or five’ of its recruits were still battling Islamic State; a few days later 70 of them defected to Jabhat al-Nusra immediately after crossing the border into Syria.

In January 2014, despairing at the lack of progress, John Brennan, the director of the CIA, summoned American and Sunni Arab intelligence chiefs from throughout the Middle East to a secret meeting in Washington, with the aim of persuading Saudi Arabia to stop supporting extremist fighters in Syria. ‘The Saudis told us they were happy to listen,’ the JCS adviser said, ‘so everyone sat around in Washington to hear Brennan tell them that they had to get on board with the so-called moderates. His message was that if everyone in the region stopped supporting al-Nusra and Isis their ammunition and weapons would dry up, and the moderates would win out.’ Brennan’s message was ignored by the Saudis, the adviser said, who ‘went back home and increased their efforts with the extremists and asked us for more technical support. And we say OK, and so it turns out that we end up reinforcing the extremists.’

But the Saudis were far from the only problem: American intelligence had accumulated intercept and human intelligence demonstrating that the Erdoğan government had been supporting Jabhat al-Nusra for years, and was now doing the same for Islamic State. ‘We can handle the Saudis,’ the adviser said. ‘We can handle the Muslim Brotherhood. You can argue that the whole balance in the Middle East is based on a form of mutually assured destruction between Israel and the rest of the Middle East, and Turkey can disrupt the balance – which is Erdoğan’s dream. We told him we wanted him to shut down the pipeline of foreign jihadists flowing into Turkey. But he is dreaming big – of restoring the Ottoman Empire – and he did not realise the extent to which he could be successful in this.’
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Post #196 by Dr_Chimera » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:43 am

Interesting piece by Kadri Liik on the roots of miscommunication between the West and Russia: http://www.ecfr.eu/article/commentary_h ... russia5055

What's missing in this equation is the multifarious nature of American capitalism. Unlike Russia, America does not exist as a homogenous entity with a particular, definable agency. US foreign policy and NATO are one thing, however the actions of private individuals and comapnies (eg. George Soros) are another.

Western policy options, as defined here, will not matter to Russia unless private entities are also bound by them.
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Post #197 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:47 pm

Nails it.







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Post #198 by edgar_dong » Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:50 pm

This is as good a time as any to admit that I am Adam H. Johnson.
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Post #199 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:56 pm

edgar_dong wrote:This is as good a time as any to admit that I am Adam H. Johnson.


Pass the salt this way please.

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