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Post #10251 by AD » Sat May 05, 2018 12:17 pm

I just hate the Times and WaPo on principle.
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Post #10252 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 12:40 pm

Atlantic has a bunch of contributors covering a broad range in the spectrum, but at least when I had a subscription I found it further right than say the new yorker as a comparable publication.
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Post #10253 by jester » Sat May 05, 2018 12:42 pm

Dog wrote:
Craig wrote:Really? It seems right up your alley.


Too neolib orthodoxist for my tastes, greg.

I’m somewhere left of the economist and somewhat right of the newyorker. Right of guardian, somewhat left of the atlantic. Generally speaking, on average.

I think media like cnn/cnbc has definitely moved toward the foxnews style of partisanship. Not as bad, but going towards similar style.

To nick’s point, I recognize that there is bias built in to all media. It’s really a question of degree, with some far worse than others. And, yes, my most trusted sources remain relatively centrist media (nyt, wapo, bbc)....because I’m relatively centrist and don’t like overly populist tones. Their biases fit best with me.

:why:


See ... I never understand these critiques of CNN. My biggest problem with CNN is that they're willing to put utterly contemptible and dishonest folks on air just to get "both sides."

I'd add, that CNN's lack of editorial backbone or whatever you want to call it is earning them no favors based on ratings.
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Post #10254 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 1:23 pm

jester wrote:I'd add, that CNN's lack of editorial backbone or whatever you want to call it is earning them no favors based on ratings.


I get the feeling that may be dated. At least that’s my perceptuon. During the last election, you get the sense that they definitely picked teams and haven’t looked back. They seem to me to have become ever more partisan since. Liberals have certainly been triggered by Trump and the rise of the populist right. Nyt/wapo are triggered too, just less “colloquial” than cnn. Target different markets. I mean, I’m quite triggered myself, doesn’t mean I can’t see it though.
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Post #10255 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 1:26 pm

But maybe I’m imagining things. Maybe liberals are just objectively right and as such not biased.
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Post #10256 by Slick Nick » Sat May 05, 2018 1:44 pm

Dog wrote:But maybe I’m imagining things. Maybe large corporations are just objectively right and as such not biased.


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Post #10257 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 1:46 pm

It’s not just the corporations, nick. It’s also all those who benefit from them.

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Post #10258 by chicpea » Sat May 05, 2018 3:01 pm

CNN, NBC, and obviously, FOX are garbage. Each spends more on make up and lighting than substantive journalism. There is no US alternative on TV. It is pathetic. It is a crisis.

CBC and BBC are far beyond in levels of objectiveness but not breaking stories.

NYT and WaPo have decent coverage and now Axios is pushing them. These are top-tier US outlets. Far better than the TV networks.

I see nothing wrong with Economist. Have read for two decades. Informative. Neo-lib, yes. But also detailed. Read with grains of salts. Good intel. I also like Foreign Policy and their spin-off podcasts.

Have you guys read inkstone yet? Interesting venture. Put out by South China Morning Post and its new mainland-loving owner, Jack Ma. Slick. But fun reads.

edit: to read about that project: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/31/worl ... icle-click
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Post #10259 by jester » Sat May 05, 2018 3:06 pm

Dog wrote:
jester wrote:I'd add, that CNN's lack of editorial backbone or whatever you want to call it is earning them no favors based on ratings.


I get the feeling that may be dated. At least that’s my perceptuon. During the last election, you get the sense that they definitely picked teams and haven’t looked back. They seem to me to have become ever more partisan since. Liberals have certainly been triggered by Trump and the rise of the populist right. Nyt/wapo are triggered too, just less “colloquial” than cnn. Target different markets. I mean, I’m quite triggered myself, doesn’t mean I can’t see it though.


By last election do you mean 2017?

CNN has a more adversarial relationship with Trump, but I think that has more to do with Trump attacking CNN than a meaningful shift in approach.
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Post #10260 by jester » Sat May 05, 2018 3:15 pm

Dog wrote:But maybe I’m imagining things. Maybe liberals are just objectively right and as such not biased.


Liberals are not inherently right, and everyone has biases. The big thing right now is that Trumpism has resulted in a massive intellectual drain from the GOP talking head class. Most of the folks that had any degree of intellectual honesty and dignity became Never Trumpers (Jennifer Rubin is a prime example), and that has had a big impact on cable news talking heads. Never Trumpers do not represent the GOP of Trump, so how can you trot them out there to comment (George Will, says hi)? On MSNBC those folks are nice as the token "conservative" that also hates Trump, but if you're CNN and want to centrist ... what do you do? You put the Trumpista jackasses on TV, which you can only do so much given your actual audience.

I generally agree with the above, though. Cable news is a wasteland as a medium. That being said, even the NYT and WaPo are struggling to figure out how to deal with this admin and political environment. Sometimes they succeed ... sometimes they don't (NYT reporters embarrass themselves on Twitter regularly).
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Post #10261 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 5:13 pm

Yeah, the establishment/elites/intelligentsia do tend to be repulsed by populists who tend to make their buck by attacking, at least in rhetoric, the establishment/elites/intelligentsia.
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Post #10262 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 5:21 pm

chicpea wrote:CNN, NBC, and obviously, FOX are garbage. Each spends more on make up and lighting than substantive journalism. There is no US alternative on TV. It is pathetic. It is a crisis.

CBC and BBC are far beyond in levels of objectiveness but not breaking stories.

NYT and WaPo have decent coverage and now Axios is pushing them. These are top-tier US outlets. Far better than the TV networks.

I see nothing wrong with Economist. Have read for two decades. Informative. Neo-lib, yes. But also detailed. Read with grains of salts. Good intel. I also like Foreign Policy and their spin-off podcasts.

Have you guys read inkstone yet? Interesting venture. Put out by South China Morning Post and it's new mainland-loving owner, Jack Ma. Slick. But fun reads.

edit: to read about that project: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/31/worl ... icle-click


On the left, I like Harpers. They’re too radical for my taste, but always humorous/excentric and they make worthy points.
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Post #10263 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 5:22 pm

I don’t give enough attention to npr. Does anybody?
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Post #10264 by jester » Sat May 05, 2018 5:28 pm

Dog wrote:Yeah, the establishment/elites/intelligentsia do tend to be repulsed by populists who tend to make their buck by attacking, at least in rhetoric, the establishment/elites/intelligentsia.


So, there is a lot of truth here in general, but I think this obfuscates Trump a bit. It's not the "populism" that specifically repulses them. It's the white identity grievance rhetoric, abject racism, and dangerous ignorance.
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Post #10265 by jester » Sat May 05, 2018 5:29 pm

Dog wrote:I don’t give enough attention to npr. Does anybody?


Coastal liberals.
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Post #10266 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 5:33 pm

I don’t think they’d appreciate left wing populism more.
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Post #10267 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 5:34 pm

jester wrote:
Dog wrote:I don’t give enough attention to npr. Does anybody?


Coastal liberals.


I’m a coastal liberal! I’ll make more of an effort to give them a try.
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Post #10268 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 5:57 pm

It’s also extraordinary how internationalized news media is becoming. That internet thing is something else!
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Post #10269 by AD » Sat May 05, 2018 6:15 pm

Dog is that guy who calls 180 year old Manhattan based national circulation magazine Harpers "on the left".
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Post #10270 by PredsFan77 » Sat May 05, 2018 6:25 pm

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Post #10271 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 6:29 pm

AD wrote:Dog is that guy who calls 180 year old Manhattan based national circulation magazine Harpers "on the left".


It’s very much on the left. No way of doubting that. Heck, Chimera probably enjoys it.
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Post #10272 by Slick Nick » Sat May 05, 2018 6:29 pm

Dog wrote:I don’t give enough attention to npr. Does anybody?


Very russophobic.
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Post #10273 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 6:30 pm

Slick Nick wrote:
Dog wrote:I don’t give enough attention to npr. Does anybody?


Very russophobic.


Good mens.
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Post #10274 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 6:33 pm

Speaking of Russians, I went to see the National Ballet of Ukraine this afternoon with my daughter, nick. You slavs are all like so very pretty.
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Post #10275 by PredsFan77 » Sat May 05, 2018 6:43 pm

your daughter's name is nick?
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Post #10276 by Slick Nick » Sat May 05, 2018 6:45 pm

Dog wrote:Speaking of Russians, I went to see the National Ballet of Ukraine this afternoon with my daughter, nick. You slavs are all like so very pretty.


Ukraine is very much good at producing terrific wamens, more so than Russia... cheaper too.
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Post #10277 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 7:05 pm

Slick Nick wrote:
Dog wrote:Speaking of Russians, I went to see the National Ballet of Ukraine this afternoon with my daughter, nick. You slavs are all like so very pretty.


Ukraine is very much good at producing terrific wamens, more so than Russia... cheaper too.


Better value than Smolensk?
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Post #10278 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 7:05 pm

PredsFan77 wrote:your daughter's name is nick?


Gender neutrality!
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Dog wrote:
Slick Nick wrote:
Dog wrote:Speaking of Russians, I went to see the National Ballet of Ukraine this afternoon with my daughter, nick. You slavs are all like so very pretty.


Ukraine is very much good at producing terrific wamens, more so than Russia... cheaper too.


Better value than Smolensk?


Yes.

Want to go to Odessa, Banes?

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Post #10280 by chicpea » Sat May 05, 2018 8:18 pm

Odessa looks like a painted-up shithole but I suppose that's marginally better than other places in the region.
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Post #10281 by Slick Nick » Sat May 05, 2018 8:27 pm

chicpea wrote:Odessa looks like a painted-up shithole but I suppose that's marginally better than other places in the region.


It's a democracy now!
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Post #10283 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 9:01 pm

Well, that doesn’t sound fishy...
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Post #10285 by chicpea » Sat May 05, 2018 9:10 pm

Slick Nick wrote:
chicpea wrote:Odessa looks like a painted-up shithole but I suppose that's marginally better than other places in the region.


It's a democracy now!


I could tell by the expensive yellow paint. My grandparents would be proud.
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Post #10286 by PredsFan77 » Sat May 05, 2018 9:15 pm

there was a nice article in the financial times today about odessa. It seemed quaint.
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chicpea wrote:
Slick Nick wrote:
chicpea wrote:Odessa looks like a painted-up shithole but I suppose that's marginally better than other places in the region.


It's a democracy now!


I could tell by the expensive yellow paint. My grandparents would be proud.


I also noticed the use of ultramarine pigments. The flash cunts.
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Post #10288 by Craig » Sat May 05, 2018 9:21 pm

Odessa is the exit on the 401 I take as a shortcut to my parents house. It was originally named <who gives a shit> but was renamed to honour the British victory at Odessa in the Crimean war. It is a Shithole.
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Post #10289 by Dog » Sat May 05, 2018 9:23 pm

Craig wrote:Odessa is the exit on the 401 I take as a shortcut to my parents house. It was originally named <who gives a shit> but was renamed to honour the British victory at Odessa in the Crimean war. It is a Shithole.


It’s also the name of a fish market I go to on occasion, greg.
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Post #10290 by senate » Sat May 05, 2018 9:43 pm

The Odessa File is no Day of the Jackal, that's for sure.
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Post #10291 by chicpea » Sat May 05, 2018 9:57 pm

Incidentally, Odessa is one of my favourite Caribou songs. In a further incidence, Caribou himself is from Ontario and once shook my hand at a nightclub.

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Post #10293 by Slick Nick » Sat May 05, 2018 11:12 pm

Scratch Odessa.. I'm going to Elizavetovka.

https://news.bitcoin.com/village-owns-cryptocurrency/
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Post #10295 by chicpea » Sun May 06, 2018 12:09 am

Slick Nick wrote:Scratch Odessa.. I'm going to Elizavetovka.

https://news.bitcoin.com/village-owns-cryptocurrency/


Almost like Gogol.

For now the residents’ cryptocurrency is in Golosnoy’s care, although he has assured his villagers that they can cash out their coins whenever they want, the publication noted, adding that residents “are in no hurry, because they still do not understand either the principle of cryptocurrency or the benefits of it for themselves.”
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Post #10296 by Slick Nick » Sun May 06, 2018 12:26 am

chicpea wrote:
Slick Nick wrote:Scratch Odessa.. I'm going to Elizavetovka.

https://news.bitcoin.com/village-owns-cryptocurrency/


Almost like Gogol.

For now the residents’ cryptocurrency is in Golosnoy’s care, although he has assured his villagers that they can cash out their coins whenever they want, the publication noted, adding that residents “are in no hurry, because they still do not understand either the principle of cryptocurrency or the benefits of it for themselves.”


We call these kinds of people Grègs in the crypto shpere.
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Post #10297 by Dr_Chimera » Sun May 06, 2018 12:27 am

Is that Jimmy Fallon there? He's beginning to look like Brezhnev.
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Post #10298 by chicpea » Sun May 06, 2018 9:52 am

Was well into the middle of nyts' long-piece on Cohen this morning when my eyes, still hazy with grimy slumber, were rinsed by the following words:

In 1999, Mr. Cohen would find himself in the middle of a Sunny Isles real estate deal involving a hockey player and a purported figure from the Russian underworld.

Nearly 20 years later, the details of the transaction remain unclear, but Mr. Cohen received a check for $350,000 from a Russian player for the Montreal Canadiens that was part of a deal involving an apartment in Sunny Isles.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/busi ... trump.html

Am I the only one who'd never heard this angle before? I hadn't seen it mentioned here but I could've missed it.

Anyway, my mind immediately leapt to the Bure brothers and Valeri's fur coats but I was wrong. It was our skiing friend, Vlad, as I later read on Buzzfeed, which did a story on this in April, which I also missed.


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Was slowly putting together a new reference thread with all of the people connected to Trump. I will now add Malakhov's name.
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Post #10300 by jester » Sun May 06, 2018 10:01 am

chicpea wrote:Was well into the middle of nyts' long-piece on Cohen this morning when my eyes, still hazy with grimy slumber, were rinsed by the following words:

In 1999, Mr. Cohen would find himself in the middle of a Sunny Isles real estate deal involving a hockey player and a purported figure from the Russian underworld.

Nearly 20 years later, the details of the transaction remain unclear, but Mr. Cohen received a check for $350,000 from a Russian player for the Montreal Canadiens that was part of a deal involving an apartment in Sunny Isles.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/05/busi ... trump.html

Am I the only one who'd never heard this angle before? I hadn't seen it mentioned here but I could've missed it.

Anyway, my mind immediately leapt to the Bure brothers and Valeri's fur coats but I was wrong. It was our skiing friend, Vlad, as I later read on Buzzfeed, which did a story on this in April, which I also missed.


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https://www.buzzfeed.com/anthonycormier ... accused-of

Was slowly putting together a new reference thread with all of the people connected to Trump. I will now add Malakhov's name.


I'd seen it before, so it's not entirely new. But the reality is that the depth and breadth of the financial shenanigans has been under reported. (Probably because it is so complicated to talk about in detail.)

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