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Post #8901 by Dog » Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:30 pm

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Post #8902 by PredsFan77 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:01 pm

jester wrote:NBC reporting that Mueller has evidence on both Flynn and his son. Buckle up.

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Post #8903 by jester » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:06 pm

... and now we have financial links for Ross to Russia.
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Post #8904 by jester » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:16 pm

... Tillerson in this dump, too. God, shit is going to get ridiculous.
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Post #8905 by senate » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:14 pm

But thanks to Donna Brazile none of the Paradise Papers revelations are going to matter.
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Post #8906 by jester » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:35 pm

senate wrote:But thanks to Donna Brazile none of the Paradise Papers revelations are going to matter.


Eh ... that will play on FNC, but everyone else (globally) is going to give this dump attention. Also, this will be hard to ignore politically in the mid to long term. Add it to the list of god help em if Dems get the House a year from now.
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Post #8907 by mooseOAK » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:51 pm

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Post #8908 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:07 pm

LOL

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Post #8909 by clawfirst » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:35 pm

Ok i said 6 months...i was wrong. This is gonna get good in 6 weeks
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Post #8910 by chiclet » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:11 pm

When should Canada invade?
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Post #8911 by clawfirst » Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:45 pm

No need to invade. Just poison the lakes, open the dams and let nature take its course.
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Post #8912 by Craig » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:23 pm

clawfirst wrote:No need to invade. Just poison the lakes, open the dams and let nature take its course.


That's the Trump EPA policy.
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Post #8913 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:34 pm

clawfirst wrote:No need to invade. Just poison the lakes, open the dams and let nature take its course.


The invisible hand of the dams.
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Post #8914 by PredsFan77 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:54 pm

PredsFan77 wrote:hey another mass shooting in colorado it looks like. wonder if they got a bump stock and/or are brown


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Post #8915 by Puck » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:19 pm

chiclet wrote:When should Canada invade?
Who really wants that real estate? Too much trouble.
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Post #8916 by PredsFan77 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:12 pm

I dont know whether to lauf or cry over this article

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/fe ... le-w510880

taibbi gone bernie on us yall
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Post #8918 by PredsFan77 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:10 pm

big boy tried to go visit the dmz but his helo couldnt get past the fog
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also repubs are getting their shit kicked in across the country tonight in the elections
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Post #8920 by senate » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:55 pm

Trump tried to visit the DMZ but his helicopter had to turn back because of weather.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/11/07/trumps-attempt-at-surprise-visit-to-korean-demilitarized-zone-foiled-by-bad-weather/

So the doomsday clock stays at two and half minutes to midnight for another day at least.
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Post #8921 by Dog » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:07 pm

PredsFan77 wrote:also repubs are getting their shit kicked in across the country tonight in the elections


This gonna be beautiful when gop congressmen up for re-election next year start publicaly distancing themselves from Trump.
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Post #8923 by mayoradamwest » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:35 pm

I'm looking forward to seeing MS-13 tackle rural economic development.
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Post #8924 by Puck » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:09 pm

senate wrote:Trump tried to visit the DMZ but his helicopter had to turn back because of weather.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/11/07/trumps-attempt-at-surprise-visit-to-korean-demilitarized-zone-foiled-by-bad-weather/

So the doomsday clock stays at two and half minutes to midnight for another day at least.
Republicans will disown Trump after the 2020 elections when it is safer to do so. (I expect him to lose or not run again)
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Post #8925 by Westy » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:20 pm

Democrats barely win in a dem controlled state. Oh boy the end of Trump is near.
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Post #8926 by TittiesNBeer » Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:38 am

Barely..... Winning by 9% is barely? Especially when the state was +5 in the presidential election.

Taking 16 (and possibly 17) state legislature seats that were owned by republicans and flipping them to democrats is barely?

You're a fucking moron, Westy.
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Post #8927 by Puck » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:15 am

Trumpers. Be afraid, be very afraid.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... n-politics

My crystal ball says the GOP can still win the House (barely) in 2018, but the Senate will prolly revert back to the Dems (barely) and the GOP lose in the next 3 Presidential elections (maybe more). After Trump, the GOP won't see the WH for awhile.
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Post #8928 by mayoradamwest » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:34 am

But what about Hilary? Why isn't the media talking about how she didn't win last night? #biasedmedia
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Post #8929 by Dog » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:54 am

Puck wrote:Trumpers. Be afraid, be very afraid.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... n-politics

My crystal ball says the GOP can still win the House (barely) in 2018, but the Senate will prolly revert back to the Dems (barely) and the GOP lose in the next 3 Presidential elections (maybe more). After Trump, the GOP won't see the WH for awhile.


The good news is educated suburban whites seem to be even more repulsed by Trump now than last year. That trend holds or continues and it’s very good news for the Dems.
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Post #8930 by Dog » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:58 am

Always heartwarming to see people not put lower taxes above not electing a crazy would be fascist. Especially if the mad king is not delivering on obamacare or tax reform, I guess.
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Post #8931 by Dog » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:59 am

I mean, would you keep your pact with the devil if the devil is not delivering?
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Post #8932 by Boring Choice #2 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:04 am

Dog wrote:I mean, would you keep your pact with the devil if the devil is not delivering?


i'll just go ahead and assume you are referring to the hockey team.

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Post #8933 by Dog » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:24 am

But seriously, if I’m a GOP congressman my takeaway is that there is a pressing need for significant legislative achievements. Tax reform (ie. tax cuts for corporations and better off) is needed from their pov. The populist branch of the GOP will turn out on cultural issues, but you need to throw a bone to the fancy folk to keep them holding their noses and supporting the unholy marriage with the would he fascists.
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Post #8934 by Puck » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:15 am

I think Dog has part of the equation, the other version of the same thing is, why would a moderate white suburban voter continue to vote for the party of 'white grievance' if he is doing ok (compared to say, an Appalachian coal miner or unemployed rust belt worker). GOP can flog that wedge so far.

The downside for the Dems is that they won't innovate with new policy ideas if they find flogging Trump is the easy route to success. We are not 'Orange Cheeto' might work and energize their own base but they should give voters a better vision too as alternative.
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Post #8935 by Dog » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:24 am

The problem for the Dems is the same as for the GOP, how to keep a big tent.

Pull left and risk losing the center (these very suburban votes and soccer moms that so often decide elections). Stay wishy washy and anti-Orange, gamble to you can keep the tent wide but risk losing or demobilizing the left.

GOP is also caught between the foaming at the mouth cultural warriers on the right and the more socially liberal but fiscally conservative center-right.

There is a fight to keep your bases and a fight for the center in both parties. GOP delivers significant tax cuts and a portion of the “center” that seems to be leaving will likely come back.
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Post #8936 by Dog » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:57 am

Mind you, the Virginia GOP candidate for governor apparently ran on promise of state tax cuts and pressed on all the cultural issues buttons while not appearing with Trump himself. Seems like a good plan and he still got trounced. Promise of state tax cuts weren’t enough for the fancy suburban folks to hold their noses on trump’s party.
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Post #8937 by Puck » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:01 am

The Dems did manage to stay moderate by not assimilating the Occupy Movement unlike the GOP who have invited the Tea Partiers in (now creating havoc). But for all that trouble the GOP caused itself by assimilating the religious right and Tea, and all the hell it raised internally, they are still defying predictions and surviving with their divisive culture wars and ongoing demonization of the Dem leadership. A bit of a shake-up on the vision/policy for the Dems side would not hurt. Giving in and fighting the GOP on their own divisive strategies might be successful at the ballot box but I don't think it is good for the country. They also need to find an answer to the ongoing 'cut taxes' and 'trickle-down' rhetoric that too easily panders to baser instincts.
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Post #8938 by Dog » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:20 am

I don’t disagree. I think the wild card is finding a charismatic leader. A charismatic center-left Dem leader moving forward progressive policies would be nice. Well, at least from my pov.
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Post #8939 by Dog » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:34 am

Actually (I think to myself on the internet, don’t mind me), a clearly articulated and bolder left leaning economic platform could bring back working class white votes (especially in the north) and offset or even be net gains with potential loses in the center. For all the talk of the suburbs of DC and Philly, there is also the midwest rust belt states to woo back.
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Post #8941 by Puck » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:47 pm

I don't think they will pass the current tax plan. I think they will pass some watered down tax bill and then do victory laps.
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Post #8942 by Puck » Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:02 pm

Dog wrote:Actually (I think to myself on the internet, don’t mind me), a clearly articulated and bolder left leaning economic platform could bring back working class white votes (especially in the north) and offset or even be net gains with potential loses in the center. For all the talk of the suburbs of DC and Philly, there is also the midwest rust belt states to woo back.
I would tend to agree with you that the Dems can't go too far left and risk losing a chunk of their socially progressive but fiscal conservative base. But they could distance themselves a bit more from Wall St.

Good article here on John Boehner from Politico. He's not as bad as I thought or seem to remember. He discusses the polarization of American politics, blames new electronic media but also mentions how banning earmarks made compromise more difficult. And he dumps on Trump (somewhat) at the end, which I liked.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ure-215741
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Post #8943 by jester » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:54 pm

Puck wrote:Trumpers. Be afraid, be very afraid.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... n-politics

My crystal ball says the GOP can still win the House (barely) in 2018, but the Senate will prolly revert back to the Dems (barely) and the GOP lose in the next 3 Presidential elections (maybe more). After Trump, the GOP won't see the WH for awhile.


The House is more likely to flip than the Senate, but I think they might both be in play.
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Post #8944 by senate » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:19 pm

Here's a fun little read about Trump support in a rural Pennsylvania town: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/08/donald-trump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800

Here are the two highlights:

“Everybody I talk to,” he said, “realizes it’s not Trump who’s dragging his feet. Trump’s probably the most diligent, hardest-working president we’ve ever had in our lifetimes. It’s not like he sleeps in till noon and goes golfing every weekend, like the last president did.”

I stopped him, informing him that, yes, Barack Obama liked to golf, but Trump in fact does golf a lot, too—more, in fact.

Del Signore was surprised to hear this.

“Does he?” he said.

“Yes,” I said.

He did not linger on this topic, smiling and changing the subject with a quip. “If I was married to his wife,” Del Signore said, “I don’t think I’d go anywhere.”

He added: “Some of these things are like that thing he said to Billy, Billy Bob, Billy Bud”—searching, unsuccessfully, for the name Billy Bush—“on the bus, that comment he made.” Del Signore shrugged. “He’s a human male. I’m glad he wasn’t saying, ‘Hey, I like little boys.’ You know? So he’s not perfect.”

Del Signore said he’s been following politics far more than before because of Trump. Trump, he said, is just “more interesting.” So now he likes watching the news. “Ninety-nine percent of the time I watch Fox,” he said. “Sometimes I’ll be sitting there listening to all this Fox stuff, and I’ll say, ‘Maybe they aren’t right, maybe I’ll flip to CNN’—but every time I’ve found that Fox has been correct, and CNN is definitely fake news.”




More than anything, what seemed to upset the people I spoke with was the National Football League players who have knelt during the national anthem to protest police brutality and racial inequality.

“As far as I’m concerned,” Frear told me, “if I was the boss of these teams, I would tell ’em, ‘You get your asses out there and you play, or you’re not here anymore.’ They’re paying their salaries, for God’s sake.”

“Shame on them,” Del Signore said over his alfredo. “These clowns are out there, making millions of dollars a year, and they’re using some stupid excuse that they want equality—so I’ll kneel against the flag and the national anthem?”

“You’re not a fan of equality?” I asked.

“For people who deserve it and earn it,” he said. “All my ancestors, Italian, 100 percent Italian, the Irish, Germans, Polish, whatever—they all came over here, settled in places like this, they worked hard and they earned the respect. They earned the success that they got. Some people don’t want to do that. They just want it handed to them.”

“Like NFL players?” I said.

“Well,” Del Signore responded, “I hate to say what the majority of them are …” He stopped himself short of what I thought he was about to say.

Schilling and her husband, however, did not restrain themselves.

“The thing that irritates me to no end is this NFL shit,” Schilling told me in her living room. “I’m about ready to go over the top with this shit. We do not watch no NFL now.” They’re Dallas Cowboys fans. “We banned ’em. We don’t watch it.”

Schilling looked at her husband, Dave McCabe, who’s 67 and a retired high school basketball coach. She nodded at me. “Tell him,” she said to McCabe, “what you said the NFL is …”

McCabe looked momentarily wary. He laughed a little. “I don’t remember saying that,” he said unconvincingly.

Schilling was having none of it. “You’re the one that told me, liar,” she said.

She looked at me.

The NFL?

“Niggers for life,” Schilling said.

“For life,” McCabe added.
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once again yall none of this discussion will be germane once we're all dead of the upcoming nuclear war
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Post #8946 by Dog » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:42 pm

This is all part of Bettman’s plan to grow hockey in the Southern US. Just wait til these people discover that most NBA players are black too and MLB is full of hispanics!
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Post #8947 by senate » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:20 pm

Dog wrote:This is all part of Bettman’s plan to grow hockey in the Southern US. Just wait til these people discover that most NBA players are black too and MLB is full of hispanics!


The problem isn't black athletes. Blacks competing against each other for white people's entertainment is fine, if not optimal, for Trump supporters. The problem is that black athletes are supposed to be seen, not heard.

Also, black athletes should be playing sports for the love of entertaining white people, not money.
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Post #8948 by Dog » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:02 pm

senate wrote:
Dog wrote:This is all part of Bettman’s plan to grow hockey in the Southern US. Just wait til these people discover that most NBA players are black too and MLB is full of hispanics!


The problem isn't black athletes. Blacks competing against each other for white people's entertainment is fine, if not optimal, for Trump supporters. The problem is that black athletes are supposed to be seen, not heard.

Also, black athletes should be playing sports for the love of entertaining white people, not money.


You’re probably right. There is something distasteful about watching white people in the arena anywho.
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Post #8949 by mayoradamwest » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:36 pm

PredsFan77 wrote:once again yall none of this discussion will be germane once we're all dead of the upcoming nuclear war


i doubt that's many of us can really speak German pf. :rolleyes:
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Post #8950 by Dog » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:47 pm

Banana speaks German. Quelle surprise.

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