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Post #11252 by Germz » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:57 pm

America's troll-in-chief. Easy to see why so many people vote for him. We are living through the golden age of trolling.
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Post #11257 by PredsFan77 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:56 am

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Post #11258 by shredz [Bot] » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:58 am

The BBC of all outlets. She's not wrong, but its been how the game is played for quite some time now. Especially for spokespersons.

They did know about September 11th beforehand as proved by Infowars.com. It's where I get my Colloidal Silver. :paulrus:
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Post #11259 by senate » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:41 am

Big Susf wrote:The BBC of all outlets. She's not wrong, but its been how the game is played for quite some time now. Especially for spokespersons.


No, the game used to be spin. You would overemphasize the positive and under-emphasize, or ignore, the negative. If you couldn't do that then you gave a rambling non-answer or said no comment. You would never tell a a clear-cut lie, especially one that is easily disprovable. That used to be political suicide.
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Post #11260 by shredz [Bot] » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:55 am

Lying has been a political artform since forever, senate. In the United States, at least. It's only getting worse and more prevalent. Sure, a good portion of chatter would be spinning, but lying didn't start with the Trump administration.
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Post #11261 by senate » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:54 pm

Plausible lies and half-truths have always been part of Western politics. Trump has ushered in an era of blatant lying. Remember Spicer began the Trump administration with a comically bad lie that was unsupportable against readily available photographic evidence.

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Post #11262 by PredsFan77 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:01 pm

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Post #11263 by Slick Nick » Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:40 am

EU bends before Trump, will import more soy and liquefied gas... just like Putin has planned, along with increased Nato spending, lethal arms sales to Ukraine, pressure on the Russian-German pipeline, non recognition of Crimea, butched Iran deal, talks about integrating Sweden and Finland into Nato.

Must be the peepee tapes
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Post #11264 by vonbonds » Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:26 am

I wish you guys would accept that Gilead is a great place to be a guy
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Post #11266 by jester » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:23 pm

Big Susf wrote:Lying has been a political artform since forever, senate. In the United States, at least. It's only getting worse and more prevalent. Sure, a good portion of chatter would be spinning, but lying didn't start with the Trump administration.


Nothing like this. Nothing. And I say that with the certainty of someone that has spent a lot of time studying political history ...

Particularly if you want to look at modern democratic polities, where norms and political culture restrained politicians with regard to bending the truth. The mantra used to be that a spokesperson got one lie, so they better use it well. The key driving force here is that Trump has literally no shame, and he's weaponized that character trait (flaw?) for political gain. The remarkable thing about that is the gravitational force he has exerted on others.

A lot of the "all politicians lie" stuff is actually BS. Most of the time, politicians are telling you what they believe, what they will do, etc. I had this conversation around here back when Trump was running and we were in the "don't take him literally" phase of the campaign. All empirical evidence points to trusting the word of politicians ... if they say they will do X, they probably will (or will at least try to) do X. Trump talked shit about trade wars during the campaign? Here we are. Trump said moronic shit about NATO during the campaign? Here we are. Trump said crazy racist shit about immigrants ... here we are. Trump was oddly cozy with Russia ... here we are. Trump says he's going to appoint justices that will go after Roe v. Wade ... here we are.

Comically, the one campaign promise that Trump totally went against was the GOP Tax bill. He promised a populist economic policy, but we ended up with that corporatist monstrosity instead, which was entirely driven by the GOP legislative caucus. Some explanation for that will be that Trump was probably hoodwinked by the BS that the caucus was telling him, but he was also hurting for a "win" at that point and probably would have signed anything that came across his desk.
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Post #11267 by jester » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:29 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:https://twitter.com/NYMag/status/1021702024528781312

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This right here is the key graph of that piece:

Another featured speaker plucked from the potential 2020 list, Ohio congressman Tim Ryan, addressed the conference just a day after being unveiled as an inaugural member of the House’s new Medicare for All Caucus. When I asked if this wasn’t a bit of a contradiction — showing up to a Third Way conference after associating with Sanders’s signature policy proposal — he brushed the concern aside. “No,” he said, insisting there’s far less distance between the two sides than even the event’s organizers might think. “It’s how you talk about it.”


The median Dem voter/pol has shifted left for a variety of reasons (younger voters coming in is a big one). The signs of this are everywhere. Doesn't mean that intraparty bickering around policy and tactics is not going to continue, but the idea that the Democratic house is collapsing upon itself is a bit silly. Both sides overstate their differences, and one of the key tonics to recognizing that is being out of power.
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Post #11269 by jester » Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:37 pm

Alright, that's just sad and pathetic.
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Post #11270 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:16 pm



But yeah, Putin 24/7.
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Post #11271 by jester » Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:25 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1022530650157600768

But yeah, Putin 24/7.


Apparently CBS took a break.
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Post #11272 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:48 pm

jester wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1022530650157600768

But yeah, Putin 24/7.


Apparently CBS took a break.


Refreshing.
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Post #11273 by jester » Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:48 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:
jester wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1022530650157600768

But yeah, Putin 24/7.


Apparently CBS took a break.


Refreshing.


I mean in all seriousness, your snark on that one is a bit silly. The maternal mortality problem is not exactly news, stories about it pop up with some regularity. Moreover, it isn't like healthcare in the US hasn't been a scorching hot topic for a decade. There are a lot of important stories that don't get enough (any) coverage, but it's tough to say healthcare is one of 'em. Hell, there are numerous notable journalists at prominent outlets solely focused on that beat.
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Post #11274 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:12 am

jester wrote:I mean in all seriousness, your snark on that one is a bit silly.


If you say so.
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Post #11275 by jester » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:42 am

Dr_Chimera wrote:
jester wrote:I mean in all seriousness, your snark on that one is a bit silly.


If you say so.


https://www.google.com/search?q=materna ... 4&dpr=2.63

Yeah. News to you doesn't mean it's actually, ya know, suddenly discovered news.
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Post #11276 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:02 pm

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Post #11277 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:05 pm

Jester's like "I can find some articles for you on healthcare (from... Valley News Live and ActionNewsJax.com). I dunno why you're so upset that the corporate media is disproportionately fixated on conspiracy theories about treason."
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Post #11278 by Craig » Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:21 pm

Yeah, because the president committing literal treason shouldn't be a big deal.
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Post #11280 by chicpea » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:04 pm

I’ve always liked treason. There was a guy in CAF a few years ago who sold top secret intel to Russia for about the cost of a mid-range Hyundai. He will serve life in prison but it was a touching story at the time.
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Post #11281 by chicpea » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:06 pm

Anyway, any legs on the story about Devos’ Servers repeatedly in transmission with Putin’s daughter’s medical clinic?
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Post #11283 by chicpea » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:41 pm

Neither am I. I think it’s a good display of medical companies using technology to cut costs.
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Post #11284 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:54 pm

PredsFan77 wrote:im not bothered by it


It's just reason with a t.
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probably because of my investment in easily defensible land, hope the rest of yall have acted accordingly.
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Post #11286 by chicpea » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:33 am

I have a raft and an uzi with 12 bullets, six of which are earmarked for someone who posts on this page.
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chicpea wrote:I have a raft and an uzi with 12 bullets, six of which are earmarked for someone who posts on this page.


*looks at page and sees he hasn't posted anything on it.
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Post #11289 by chicpea » Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:49 am

It was a trap.
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Post #11291 by jester » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:50 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:Jester's like "I can find some articles for you on healthcare (from... Valley News Live and ActionNewsJax.com). I dunno why you're so upset that the corporate media is disproportionately fixated on conspiracy theories about treason."


Hey man, I know it's tough to confront our own ignorance sometimes. If you think the link you posted is ignored news, that's on you not corporate media. With minimal effort using your index finger, you will discover stories from such limited circulation sources as the NYT, NPR, etc. You will also find legislative specific stories addressing the topic in places like The Hill.

If we expand this even further, I don't know what rock you've been living under that you don't see the constant hum about Planned Parenthood, or the fucking shitstorm of coverage about ACA.

If you think the media is just covering the Russia story, that's your fault ... not theirs. Of course, I think your critique of the media derives largely from your personal biases ... not actual reality. Russia gets a lot of immediate, front page coverage due to literal breaking news right now. You know what else gets a ton of coverage right now? Immigration ... to the point that US voters now list that as their number 1 voting issue.
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Post #11292 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:32 pm

jester wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:Jester's like "I can find some articles for you on healthcare (from... Valley News Live and ActionNewsJax.com). I dunno why you're so upset that the corporate media is disproportionately fixated on conspiracy theories about treason."


Hey man, I know it's tough to confront our own ignorance sometimes. If you think the link you posted is ignored news, that's on you not corporate media. With minimal effort using your index finger, you will discover stories from such limited circulation sources as the NYT, NPR, etc. You will also find legislative specific stories addressing the topic in places like The Hill.

If we expand this even further, I don't know what rock you've been living under that you don't see the constant hum about Planned Parenthood, or the fucking shitstorm of coverage about ACA.

If you think the media is just covering the Russia story, that's your fault ... not theirs. Of course, I think your critique of the media derives largely from your personal biases ... not actual reality. Russia gets a lot of immediate, front page coverage due to literal breaking news right now. You know what else gets a ton of coverage right now? Immigration ... to the point that US voters now list that as their number 1 voting issue.


You're projecting so much here, Jester but I'd rather not spare a minute of my Sunday correcting you.
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Post #11294 by chicpea » Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:22 pm

What would my good lifelong pal, the hair doctor, know about russia or immigration anyway? :\
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More Norwegian and less Russian immigration!
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Post #11296 by jester » Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:12 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:
jester wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:Jester's like "I can find some articles for you on healthcare (from... Valley News Live and ActionNewsJax.com). I dunno why you're so upset that the corporate media is disproportionately fixated on conspiracy theories about treason."


Hey man, I know it's tough to confront our own ignorance sometimes. If you think the link you posted is ignored news, that's on you not corporate media. With minimal effort using your index finger, you will discover stories from such limited circulation sources as the NYT, NPR, etc. You will also find legislative specific stories addressing the topic in places like The Hill.

If we expand this even further, I don't know what rock you've been living under that you don't see the constant hum about Planned Parenthood, or the fucking shitstorm of coverage about ACA.

If you think the media is just covering the Russia story, that's your fault ... not theirs. Of course, I think your critique of the media derives largely from your personal biases ... not actual reality. Russia gets a lot of immediate, front page coverage due to literal breaking news right now. You know what else gets a ton of coverage right now? Immigration ... to the point that US voters now list that as their number 1 voting issue.


You're projecting so much here, Jester but I'd rather not spare a minute of my Sunday correcting you.


I'm sure that's it. But look on the upside, at least you get to read some of the coverage you missed out on.
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Post #11297 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:23 pm

jester wrote:I'm sure that's it. But look on the upside, at least you get to read some of the coverage you missed out on.


Let it go, mate. I never said there was no coverage. Keep beating that strawman to death.
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Post #11299 by Dr_Chimera » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:23 pm

Interesting the way outlets like AP and NPR shill for the rich and big business.



But Vox gives some context:

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dont worry, the Berkzon Chase triumvirate is gonna fix healthcare chimmy
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