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Post #801 by Dr_Chimera » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:33 pm

I am sure all of that is true.
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Post #802 by Dr_Chimera » Tue May 05, 2015 7:00 pm

What happens if the sanctions-weary Russia goes to drill in the arctic with less-than-ideal technology and we get Exxon Valdez X 10?
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Post #804 by Sturminator » Thu May 07, 2015 2:19 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:What happens if the sanctions-weary Russia goes to drill in the arctic with less-than-ideal technology and we get Exxon Valdez X 10?


In lawyer-speak, we refer to such things as as "asked and answered".
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Post #805 by Susf » Sat May 09, 2015 4:57 pm

Putin greets the big guns..

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Post #806 by Slick Nick » Sat May 09, 2015 10:50 pm

Aren't they all in Ukraine?

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Post #807 by Susf » Sun May 10, 2015 10:44 am

Is Mariupol really being shelled with GRADS right now?
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Post #808 by Dr_Chimera » Sun May 10, 2015 6:53 pm

Sturminator wrote:In lawyer-speak, we refer to such things as as "asked and answered".


Please don't look for subtext.
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Post #809 by Sturminator » Mon May 11, 2015 3:45 am

Dr_Chimera wrote:Please don't look for subtext.


I'm saying we already know that an isolated Russia will fuck up its own environment looking for economic gain. There is nothing, in particular, to be gained by asking the question, and you named the worst possible consequence in the question, itself.
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Post #811 by Susf » Wed May 13, 2015 10:07 am

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Post #812 by Slick Nick » Fri May 15, 2015 12:19 am

Good luck Ukraine.

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Post #813 by Dr_Chimera » Sun May 17, 2015 2:10 am

I think Kerry's trip to Moscow is an indication that the US is at least considering some common ground with Moscow and is more interested in figuring out Middle East than fighting over Ukraine. With Russia weathering the storm of sanctions Putin is looking somewhat good for the time being.

Likely that Poroshenko is willing to surrender Donbass to the Russians, but Putin wants no part of that solution. What he needs is a buffer zone.

It's also good to be mindful of the fact that in spite of the anti-Westernism in Russia, Putin would love nothing more than to reignite good relations with US and Europe. Tough talk aside, Putin just wants to be loved.
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Post #814 by Sturminator » Thu May 28, 2015 1:56 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Meanwhile Russia is angry about the FIFA arrests for the obvious reason they're complicit in the kickbacks for the World Cup. Putin has called it "meddling".


He may not understand that corruption is actually illegal in some places.
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Post #817 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:45 am

Relevant. http://www.jpost.com/Diplomatic-Confere ... um=twitter

Former NSC head: Had US-Russia ties been better, Iran deal would look very different

US-Russian tensions over the last decade are a principal reason Iran is on the verge of becoming a nuclear power, former National Security Council head Giora Eiland told The Jerusalem Post this week.

Eiland, who will be one of the panelists at the Jerusalem Post Annual Conference in New York on June 7, said that the world’s failure to halt Iran’s nuclear march is not the result of US weakness in negotiations but, rather, “the product of 10 years or more of great tension between the US and Russia about other things.”

Furthermore, he said, when the Russians asked Israel to intervene on their behalf with the Americans on a number of occasions both before and after US President Barack Obama’s election in 2008, Jerusalem was not willing to help. “That would have helped our interests,” he said.

According to Eiland, the greater the clash between the US and Russia in other areas, and the more tension between the White House and the Kremlin, the more difficult it is for the US to completely isolate Iran.

“If Russia is not with them [the US], then China is not with them, and India is partly not with them, and then Iran is not completely isolated either politically or economically,” he said. And, as a result, Tehran’s ability to withstand pressure is much greater when it is not totally isolated.

“For many years the Americans – and I am talking about way before the crisis in Ukraine – preferred – for reasons that are odd and not justified in my eyes – to fight with [Russian President Vladimir] Putin about issues that I think are tangential and, as a result of that, to essentially sacrifice the interest of stopping the Iranian nuclear project,” he said.

The Americans, Eiland continued, fought with Putin for years over human rights in Russia, attacked him for using force in Chechnya, openly supported Georgia in its 2008 war with Russia, and consistently are trying to drag the Baltic countries into NATO, essentially – he said – rendering those states “anti-Russian.”

The result of this policy, he said, was “to create a great deal of anger inside Russia” and an unwillingness to cooperate with Washington regarding Iran.

“It was more important for the Americans to attack Putin about the lack of democratization in Russia than it apparently was for them to reach a better agreement with Iran, and that is unfortunate,” he said.


Eiland, who as head of the NSC in 2005-2006 was intimately involved in the Iranian portfolio, and who has followed the issue closely ever since, asserted as a fact that if there were better relations between the US and Russia, the emerging agreement with Iran would look completely different.

“I don’t think this,” he said, “I know it, I am sure.”

He said that had the ties between Moscow and Washington been better, “it would have been possible to get a much better agreement years ago.”

“The Russians showed a willingness in some issues to take far-reaching steps toward the Americans on the Iranian nuclear front, including much greater pressure on Iran, but the Russians demanded payment in other areas where the Americans were not willing to pay,” he said.

While acknowledging that it is in Russia’s interest – just as it is in the interest of Israel and the US – to keep Iran from a nuclear bomb, Eiland said that if one were to ask Putin, this would be “about 15” on his list of priorities.

“His No. 1 priority is that they [the US] do not intervene in his internal affairs; No. 2 is that they don’t support countries bordering Russia that rattle the sabers – be it the Baltic countries, Georgia or Ukraine. And interest No. 3 is that the US treat Russia as an equal.”

In Putin’s eyes, Eiland said, the US over the last 12 years – under both presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama – has “systematically and consistently worked to harm those interests of Russia. By the way, I think he is right.”

And as long as that is the feeling in Russia, he said, the Kremlin has no reason to accommodate the Americans on an issue that for Putin is low down on his priority list.

Although worried by a nuclear weapon in Iran’s hands, Eiland pointed out that Russia is surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons – Pakistan, India, China and North Korea – so that it is not an issue of paramount concern.

Back in 2004 Putin would have been willing to go very far to accommodate the Americans on Iran, he said, “but the Americans were not willing to come to a package deal that would include Iran and issues that the Russians wanted.”

Here, he said, is where Israel also dropped the ball, having been approached on a number of times in the past by Moscow – both before and after Obama’s election in 2008 – to intervene with Washington and work for a package deal.

“Israel was not willing to help the Russians, something that would have helped our interests,” he asserted.


Eiland also said during the interview that one of the reasons for Netanyahu’s adamant opposition to the US on the Iranian deal has to do with relieving US pressure on the Palestinian front.

“Let’s theoretically take an extreme scenario and say Netanyahu had welcomed the agreement – that he said it was wonderful and thanked the US for preventing a nuclear Iran.

Then the Americans could have said, ‘Okay, we did our share with the Iranians. It is now your turn to do your part with the Palestinians.’” Since Netanyahu is very far from thanking Washington for its efforts on Iran, Eiland said, “it will therefore be difficult for the Americans to say, ‘Okay, it is now your turn to make concessions because we acted for you.’”
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Post #818 by Susf » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:28 pm

Alright Doc, my ears are all yours. Anything you recommend to read on this whole topic. I used to buy the whole Putin aggression bullshit, but it's quite clear what is going on by now.
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Post #820 by AD » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:42 am

Huzzah!
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Post #821 by Slick Nick » Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:03 am

dempsey_k wrote:Russia to spread freedom from gays and Jews to the Baltic states by reviewing the legality of the USSR's decision to allow them to be independent.





Occupied Crimea crying over it's loss of ukrainian rule of law, democracy and progress.
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Post #822 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:56 pm

Slick Nick wrote:Occupied Crimea crying over it's loss of ukrainian rule of law, democracy and progress.


"Democracy" has become the gloss to conceal the true intentions and outcomes of neoliberal austerity.
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Post #823 by Dr_Chimera » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:12 pm

Evidence of Canadian involvement in the regime change: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadia ... -1.3148719
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Post #824 by Susf » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:06 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:Evidence of Canadian involvement in the regime change: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadia ... -1.3148719


It was there from day one. Harper is a fucking hawk when it comes to his neo-nazi thug friends in Kiev.
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Post #825 by Dr_Chimera » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:42 pm

Why does Washington want to go to war with Russia on the side of neo-Nazis and Islamists?
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... wards-war/
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Post #827 by Susf » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:48 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:Why does Washington want to go to war with Russia on the side of neo-Nazis and Islamists?
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... wards-war/


Whats up with the reports of ISIS jihadi's training with Ukrainian forces and militias to fight the "Russians"
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Post #828 by Slick Nick » Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:24 am

luke brings the susfs wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:Why does Washington want to go to war with Russia on the side of neo-Nazis and Islamists?
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... wards-war/


Whats up with the reports of ISIS jihadi's training with Ukrainian forces and militias to fight the "Russians"


I hope they get paid in Salo.
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Post #829 by Slick Nick » Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:29 am

I wonder how much more time will Porosenko hold. Right Sektor does not comply anymore, there have been anti-nazi protests in the nationalist capital city of Lviv. Wages and pensions are down to sub-saharan rates... fall is usually the time of the year when it happens.
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Post #830 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:22 am

Slick Nick wrote:I wonder how much more time will Porosenko hold. Right Sektor does not comply anymore, there have been anti-nazi protests in the nationalist capital city of Lviv. Wages and pensions are down to sub-saharan rates... fall is usually the time of the year when it happens.


Georgians already disenchanted with West (in Russian): http://carnegie.ru/2015/07/23/ru-60818/idtt
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Post #831 by Slick Nick » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:55 pm

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Slick Nick wrote:I wonder how much more time will Porosenko hold. Right Sektor does not comply anymore, there have been anti-nazi protests in the nationalist capital city of Lviv. Wages and pensions are down to sub-saharan rates... fall is usually the time of the year when it happens.


Georgians already disenchanted with West (in Russian): http://carnegie.ru/2015/07/23/ru-60818/idtt


Sometimes resuming business with your largest partner is usually a better option than beg a stranger. Ukraine still didn't understand that.
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Post #832 by Dr_Chimera » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:28 am

Slick Nick wrote:Sometimes resuming business with your largest partner is usually a better option than beg a stranger. Ukraine still didn't understand that.


They've not heard of Schauble yet.
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Post #833 by vf » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:12 am

So this guy was a traitor right fellas? https://news.vice.com/article/putin-on- ... -kgb-agent
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Post #834 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:28 am

vf wrote:So this guy was a traitor right fellas? https://news.vice.com/article/putin-on- ... -kgb-agent


Yes (by any definition), and Putin killed him.
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Post #835 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:34 am

How $1.8 billion in int'l aid to Ukraine ended up in PrivatBank's coffers.

http://harpers.org/blog/2015/08/undelivered-goods/

The international financial agency had rushed the money to Ukraine in April, in response to what IMF managing director Christine Lagarde called a “major crisis.” She went on to hail the government’s “unprecedented resolve” in developing a “bold economic program to secure macroeconomic and financial stability.” Over the next five months the international agency poured the equivalent of $4.51 billion ($2.97 billion in “Special Drawing Rights”—the IMF’s own currency) into the National Bank of Ukraine— the country’s central bank. Much of this money was urgently needed to prop up the local commercial banks. In theory, the IMF appeared to require direct supervision of how the Ukrainian banks used the aid. In fact, it appears the banks got to select their own auditors.


The scheme, as revealed in a series of court judgments of the Economic Court of the Dnipropetrovsk region monitored and reported by Nashi Groshi, worked like this: Forty-two Ukrainian firms owned by fifty-four offshore entities registered in Caribbean, American, and Cypriot jurisdictions and linked to or affiliated with the Privat group of companies, took out loans from PrivatBank in Ukraine to the value of $1.8 billion. The firms then ordered goods from six foreign “supplier” companies, three of which were incorporated in the United Kingdom, two in the British Virgin Islands, one in the Caribbean statelet of St. Kitts & Nevis. Payment for the orders—$1.8 billion—was shortly afterwards prepaid into the vendors’ accounts, which were, coincidentally, in the Cyprus branch of PrivatBank. Once the money was sent, the Ukrainian importing companies arranged with PrivatBank Ukraine that their loans be guaranteed by the goods on order.

But the foreign suppliers invariably reported that they could not fulfill the order after all, thus breaking the contracts, but without any effort to return the money. Finally, the Ukrainian companies filed suit, always in the Dnipropetrovsk Economic Court, demanding that that foreign supplier return the prepayment and also that the guarantee to PrivatBank be cancelled. In forty-two out of forty-two such cases the court issued the identical judgment: the advance payment should be returned to the Ukrainian company, but the loan agreement should remain in force.

As a result, the loan of the Ukrainian company remained guaranteed by the undelivered goods, while the chances of returning the advance payments from foreign companies remain remote. “Basically this transaction of $1.8 bill[ion] abroad with the help of fake contracts was simply an asset siphoning [operation] and a violation of currency legislation in general,” explained Lesya Ivanovna, an investigator with Nashi Groshi in an email to me. “The whole lawsuit story was only needed to make it look like the bank itself is not involved in the scheme . . . officially it looks like PrivatBank now owns the products, though in reality [they] will never be delivered.”
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Post #836 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Aug 15, 2015 4:38 am

An aside - Stephen Harper's wife, Laureen, claims to have "Ukrainian heritage". Which explains a lot.
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Post #837 by Dr_Chimera » Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:28 pm

From what I have read, the Dutch MH17 report made some even-handed points. The finger is implicitly pointed at the rebels for shooting down the plane (because the missile trajectory was from the rebel-held area), as most people suspected. Also the Ukrainian government is criticized for not securing the airwaves - correctly, in my opinion.

Russia rejects the report, because accepting it will be difficult to frame on the domestic front. An outright rejection also removes the possibility of a conversation about the incident which would be subject to rhetorical warfare.
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Post #838 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:20 am

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Post #839 by Dr_Chimera » Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:58 pm

Legacy of Stephen Harper: a push to sell weapons to Ukraine: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le27068830
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Post #841 by Dr_Chimera » Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:34 pm

Vladimir Uiba, the head of the Federal Medical-Biological Agency which provides medical services to Russian national team competitors, said the strongly critical report was linked to international sanctions against Russia over the annexation of Crimea and the conflict in Ukraine.

Uiba tells the Interfax agency that the report is an "absolutely politically motivated statement from the category of sanctions against Russia. It has no basis because the doping tests which are done are collected from the athletes by WADA commissioners themselves."


Very entertaining stuff.
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Never change Ukraine, never change.
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Post #845 by Sturminator » Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:49 am

All those years of Russian rule, and what did the Ukrainians learn? Nothing, apparently. They have shamefully forgotten even the basics, like how to poison and imprison the opposition.
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Post #847 by Slick Nick » Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:12 am

Cool pics from soviet Ukraine.

http://varlamov.ru/1572484.html

inb4 soviet brobaganda.
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Post #848 by PPJ » Fri Feb 12, 2016 2:29 pm

Sturminator wrote:All those years of Russian rule, and what did the Ukrainians learn? Nothing, apparently. They have shamefully forgotten even the basics, like how to poison and imprison the opposition.


Dumfuks didn't even keep their nukes, because the West and Russia agreed to respect their territorial integrity :donger:
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