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Post #601 by TittiesNBeer » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:05 am

Dog wrote:Trump got suckered right into the shia-sunni conflict, didn't he?


Qatar vs Saudi Arabia is weird.... the are both majority Sunni countries.

There is more going on there.
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Post #602 by Dog » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:11 am

Qatar had links to Iran. Played itself to be a bit of a wildcard.
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Post #603 by chiclet » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:49 am

TittiesNBeer wrote:
Dog wrote:Trump got suckered right into the shia-sunni conflict, didn't he?


Qatar vs Saudi Arabia is weird.... the are both majority Sunni countries.

There is more going on there.


I've heard rumours of a bizarre kidnapping scheme gone awry and lots of stolen monies...
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Post #604 by TittiesNBeer » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:51 am

Dog wrote:Qatar had links to Iran. Played itself to be a bit of a wildcard.

That might be fake news planted by russian hackers
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Post #605 by TittiesNBeer » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:26 am

It also seems to be more of an economic dispute than a religious one.
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Post #606 by PredsFan77 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:39 am

Shredder tells me he called this over a year ago
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Post #607 by Dog » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:53 am

It's not like I know anything about Qatar, but from a few articles I read I had understood that they played the role a bit of the misaligned card -sponsoring the muslim brotherhood (quite the torn for egypt, saudis, others) and playing on ambivalence towards Iran.

Seems like the saudis asked for and got from Trump a carte blanche to discipline Qatar.
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Post #608 by AD » Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:35 pm

Yay.. a battle between Wahabi Fascist Authoritarians and Islamic Fundamentalist Authoritarians.
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Post #610 by Dog » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:32 pm

He told pro-government media he supported the regime? Shocking.
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Post #611 by PredsFan77 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:34 pm

Turkey deploying troops to Qatar. El o el. They are in NATO aren't they? This is WW1 all over again.
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Post #612 by AD » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:37 pm

Is Turkey defending Qatar or attacking Qatar?
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Post #613 by clawfirst » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:54 pm

Does it matter?
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Post #614 by Dog » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:18 pm

We're all going to die because of Qatar, aren't we?

Should have bet on that. What would have been the odds?!
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Post #615 by IcE ColD » Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:53 pm

Dog wrote:We're all going to die because of Qatar, aren't we?

Should have bet on that. What would have been the odds?!


I thought this was all because of that orange shih tzu they've elected down our borders..?
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Post #616 by PredsFan77 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:08 pm

clawfirst wrote:Does it matter?


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Post #617 by PredsFan77 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:10 pm

So the sauds having a shia uprising on their hands and canada is supplying the sauds with armor? lol canada.
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Post #618 by AD » Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:25 pm

The Sauds will have a Sunni uprising soon. Financed by the Tamimis. The true rulers of the oumma.
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Post #619 by PredsFan77 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:10 pm

Tamimi Arabia has a nice ring to it
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Post #620 by Pennywise » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:00 am



Ultimately, reviewing some of the new Iran policy outlines, it looks like they will saber rattle more but try to keep the deal intact. North Korea has a hard on for Japan seeing that Abe is Trump's closest partner in the region. Is all of this setting the table for negotiations or are we headed for a trap?

The biggest case against Iran will be its presence in Syria and Yemen. They're not leaving and Bibi is barking.
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Post #621 by PredsFan77 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:06 pm

hey shred who you got in ww3: the sunnis, shias, or kurds?
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Post #622 by vonbonds » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:29 pm

Dog has money on the turds
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Post #623 by Pennywise » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:44 am

PredsFan77 wrote:hey shred who you got in ww3: the sunnis, shias, or kurds?


If I had to pick an ally based on nothing more than military pertinence, I think I would rock with the Shias right now. Well coordinated across the region and the least hurt by infighting. The Kurds lost Kirkuk and now much of pre-June 2014 territory acquired after ISIS took Mosul because of being fractured politically. Soleimani got the PUK to withdraw, opening the gates to Kirkuk. It will not be the first or last battle for Kirkuk in this new cycle of violence, the "after-ISIS" stage.

Sunni's are toast in Iraq and elsewhere for allowing extremists to take up their cause in the military theater. Bandar Bush is at fault here big time. He thought he could make the Shias disappear. Now they are more motivated than ever.

All in all, I honestly believe we are moving out of the sectarian bullshit and seeing countries like Turkey say enough is enough and find common cause with Iran. I mean, the Kurds made a huge mistake by holding that referendum in disputed territory. Can't expect the US to bail you out when you went against our advice.
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Post #624 by Pennywise » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:47 am

vonbonds wrote:Dog has money on the turds


All is well for the Kurds in Raqqa but putting up posters of Ocalan is asking for a Turkish beatdown. The fucking of the Kurds are the one thing every enemy agrees on. "PKK in Kirkuk" was used as a reason for Iraq's advance. Called it a "declaration of war"
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Post #625 by Pennywise » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:01 am

A detailed report worthy of reading. Certainly doesn't help Trump's "Im da best CIC eva" rhetoric.



Defense Secretary James N. Mattis, troubled by a lack of information two weeks after an ambush on a special operations patrol in Niger left four U.S. soldiers dead, is demanding a timeline of what is known about the attack, as a team of investigators sent to West Africa begins its work.

The growing list of unanswered questions and inability to construct a precise account of the Oct. 4 incident have exacerbated a public relations nightmare for the White House, which is embroiled in controversy over President Trump’s belated and seemingly clumsy response this week to console grieving military families.

“We need to find out what happened and why,” White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly, whose son was killed in Afghanistan in 2010, told reporters at the White House on Thursday.

At the Pentagon, Mattis suggested to reporters that he would say little pending results of the investigation. “We at the Department of Defense like to know what we’re talking about before we talk," he said. "And so we don't have all the accurate information yet. We will release it as rapidly as we get it."

The attack, apparently carried out by militants affiliated with Islamic State, was the deadliest since Trump took office, yet the U.S. military’s Africa Command still does not have a clear “story board” of facts that commanders usually gather swiftly after deadly incidents. That has senior Pentagon officials and lawmakers suggesting incompetence.

The questions arising from the incident, particularly about the availability of additional military support to the patrol, echo those raised in the aftermath of the 2012 Benghazi attack in Libya, which resulted in the deaths of four people: U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, foreign service information officer Sean Smith, and CIA contractors Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said on Thursday that getting to the bottom of what happened may require subpoenas.

“That's why we're called the Senate Armed Services Committee,” he said. “It's because we have oversight of our military. So we deserve to have all the information."

Trump’s national security advisor, H.R. McMaster, at an event hosted by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a Washington-based think tank, said the Pentagon will have “authoritative, definitive answers” to questions such as whether an intelligence failure contributed to the ambush and why the body of one soldier initially was left behind.

But the investigation will take time, he said. “There is a period of time where there is always ambiguity here in Washington to what is going on halfway down the world,” McMaster said, adding that there are no military missions that are “risk free.”

A team of investigators, led by a one-star general, is working to clear up the confusion of what occurred before, during and after the mission. For instance, Sgt. La David T. Johnson, 25, of Miami Gardens, Fla., was initially unaccounted for and his body wasn't found until after an intense two-day search, and then by Nigerien villagers.

Also killed were Staff Sgt. Bryan C. Black, 35, of Puyallup, Wash.; Staff Sgt. Jeremiah W. Johnson, 39, of Springboro, Ohio; and Staff Sgt. Dustin M. Wright, 29, of Lyons, Ga.

For months before the ambush, the U.S. military had requested more drones or other surveillance aircraft in Niger and additional military medical support, but those requests met resistance from the U.S. ambassador to the country, who was reluctant to increase the American presence in the country, according to a U.S. official briefed on the attack.

The Special Forces Operational Detachment Alpha, otherwise known as an “A-Team,” increasingly had been operating in remote areas far from command support, the official said. Green Beret-led patrols had visited the area along the Mali-Niger border 29 times in the last six months. Islamic State and Al Qaeda operate there, exploiting divisions within local tribal forces in the region.

U.S. military officials also are looking into the possibility that French forces were attacked in the same area in previous days, but that information may not have been relayed to the A-Team.

More details about the deadly firefight are coming to light as the Army moves forward with its formal investigation. The military now considers the ambush to have been a well-planned and coordinated series of two successive attacks on the Special Forces A-Team attached to Nigerien forces.

The A-Team had been able to fend off the first ambush but was attacked again while trying to retreat deeper into Niger, the official said.

It was in the chaos of the second attack that the unit may have lost track of Johnson and initially members were unable to confirm he had been killed in the assault. French attack helicopters and jets responded during the second ambush, successfully killing and pushing away the gunmen, allowing the remaining members of the U.S. and Nigerien force to escape.

Without the French air response, the military is concerned the entire unit could have been killed. Two American soldiers were wounded, and four Nigerien soldiers were also killed in the attack, and eight wounded.

The unit was driving in light unarmored vehicles that are sometimes preferred by Special Forces units for maneuverability and speed. Given the sophistication of the attack, U.S. military officials believe Islamic State may have played a role in helping plan the attack.

Gen. Thomas Waldhauser, commander of U.S. Africa Command, documented to Congress in March his forces’ lack of needed resources on the continent. He said about 20% to 30% of requirements for “intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance” flights were being met, and complained there weren’t enough military helicopters to help locate missing, wounded, or killed service members.

“For personnel recovery, Africa Command relies heavily on contract search and rescue assets due to lack of dedicated assets to support operations,” Waldhauser said. “Furthermore, African partners lack the capability and capacity to assist with personnel recovery missions.”


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Post #626 by Pennywise » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:04 am

TILLERSON TELLS IRANIAN MILTIAS TO LEAVE IRAQ.

SOLEIMANI LAUGHS WHILE PREPARING AN EMP.
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Post #627 by PredsFan77 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:49 am

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Post #628 by PredsFan77 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:40 pm

Lebanon declares war on the Sauds. Everyone make final arrangements to your easily defensible lands
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Post #629 by Craig » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:12 pm

Lol, Lebanon.
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Post #631 by Dog » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:56 am

Are you going to be conscripted, banana?
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Post #632 by senate » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:14 am

Dog wrote:Are you going to be activated, banana?


Fixed.
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Post #633 by TittiesNBeer » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:48 pm

Sunnis vs Shiites is going to start WW3
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Post #634 by PredsFan77 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:54 pm

man where is broad's senior middle east correspondent, pennywise shredder, to break all this down for us mere mortals:

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Post #635 by Pennywise » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:00 am

PredsFan77 wrote:He's the next President of the United States. Have some respect, Demp. He's just pandering to his big pocket defense donors to make sure they stock his campaign with billions of dollars.



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Post #636 by Pennywise » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:20 am

PredsFan77 wrote:man where is broad's senior middle east correspondent, pennywise shredder, to break all this down for us mere mortals:



Prince Bandar's potential "arrest" is being kept low from the profile as to not scare off the worms here he was dealing with. Trump's hands are all over this. Craziest theory I've heard so far was "Bushes/Purged Saudi's tried to assassinate MbS/Kushner in Vegas"

Saudi's need to bring all of that money home because they are obviously in a tough spot. We're seeing coup, counter coups in the dark of the night. I wouldn't expect all of his opponents to lay down and take it but so far he has shown his power.
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Post #637 by Pennywise » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:21 am

PredsFan77 wrote:Shredder tells me he called this over a year ago


I didnt call it, just made a forecast before the Saudi invasion of Yemen even happened.

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Post #638 by PredsFan77 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:59 am

you told me you called it
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Post #639 by Pennywise » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:10 am

I don't recall.

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Post #640 by Pennywise » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:42 am

Lebanon’s PM rethinks quitting after getting the hell out of Saudi
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Post #641 by Pennywise » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:04 pm

And as expected, we tell the Kurds bye bye. Or we don't arm them, we just send troops to take the land.

WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump’s administration is preparing to stop sending weapons directly to Kurdish militants battling Islamic State in Syria, dealing a political blow to the U.S.’s most reliable ally in the civil war, officials said Friday.

Mr. Trump delivered the news in a call with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, who has long urged the U.S. to cut off its support for Kurdish militants he views as terrorists intent on destroying his own country.

Turkish officials made public the details of the move before the White House appeared to have informed its Kurdish allies in Syria or relayed its plans to many officials at the Pentagon or State Department.


In its official readout of the call, the White House said the GOP president “informed President Erdogan of pending adjustments to the military support provided to our partners on the ground in Syria” as the fight against Islamic State moves into a “stabilization phase” to ensure Islamic State doesn’t return.

A senior U.S. administration official said later that the U.S. is preparing to “wind up” its direct support for Kurdish forces in Syria, a move long expected to come after the defeat of Islamic State in the Middle East.

U.S. support for Kurdish fighters in Syria has been a major irritant in U.S.-Turkey relations. The Kurdish forces in Syria are closely aligned with the so-called PKK, which is classified as a terrorist group by the U.S. and Turkey. The PKK has used suicide attacks and car bombers to wage a decadeslong fight for more Kurdish rights in Turkey. PKK militants fight and train with their Syrian counterparts, known as the YPG. But the U.S. has long maintained that the Syrian Kurds are a distinct force and should not be considered terrorists.

The U.S. began providing arms to the YPG in 2014 when the Kurdish fighters successfully pushed Islamic State out of Kobani, a Syrian town on the Turkish border. Because of Turkey’s concerns, the U.S. restricted its direct support for the YPG and provided arms to the Kurdish fighters through an umbrella group set up, in part, to serve as a funnel for weapons to the militants.

With U.S. support, the Kurdish fighters became the U.S.’s best ally on the ground in Syria. The YPG pushed Islamic State out of northeastern Syria, where they set up a new government that is viewed with alarm by neighboring Turkey. Turkey has accused the YPG of funneling weapons over the border to PKK militants, a charge the group has denied.

The administration of former President Barack Obama, a Democrat, looked at directly arming the YPG right before Mr. Trump took office in January, but the incoming administration put the issue on hold while it reviewed the U.S. campaign against Islamic State.

In May, Mr. Trump decided to arm the YPG directly as the fighters stepped up their fight to oust Islamic State from Raqqa, the unofficial Syrian capital of the group’s self-declared caliphate. The decision upset Turkish leaders, but they tempered their criticism as they sought to develop a more collegial relationship with Mr. Trump.

Backed by U.S. airstrikes and special forces on the ground, the YPG and its Arab allies succeeded last month in pushing Islamic State out of Raqqa. Since then, Islamic State has been fractured. The YPG and its allies have been working to push Islamic State out of its remaining Syrian strongholds along the Iraq border. The fall of Raqqa, combined with the collapse of Islamic State in neighboring Iraq, has eased

Turkish leaders first broke the news Friday after their call with Mr. Trump.

“Mr. Trump clearly said that he had given clear instructions and that the YPG won’t be given arms,” said Mevlut Cavusoglu, Turkey’s foreign minister. He quoted Mr. Trump as saying “this nonsense should have ended a long time ago.”

Mr. Cavusoglu said Mr. Trump gave instructions to U.S. generals and his national security adviser, Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, that “no weapons would be issued” to the Kurdish forces.

“Of course, we were very happy with this,” Mr. Cavusoglu said.


The Turkish announcement came as a surprise in Washington, where military and political officials in Mr. Trump’s administration appeared to be caught off-guard. U.S. military officials said they had received no new guidance about supplying weapons to the Kurdish forces. But they said there were no immediate plans to deliver any new weapons to the group. And the U.S. can continue to provide the Kurdish forces with arms via the umbrella Syrian militant coalition.

But the decision was a political setback for the Kurdish forces, who have leveraged U.S. support for the fight against Islamic State into a political ballast for their hopes of building an autonomous Kurdish region in northern Syria.

Earlier this week, Mr. Erdogan flew to Russia to meet with President Vladimir Putin and President Hassan Rouhani of Iran to discuss the war in Syria. The three leaders sketched out a political process for Syria, but U.S. support will be needed for any viable plan.

—David Gauthier-Villars in Istanbul and Nancy A. Youssef in Washington

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