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Re: Middle East GDT IV

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Re: Middle East GDT IV

Post #402 by Dr_Chimera » Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:11 pm

Craig wrote:Russia is now openly sending troops into Syria. That's sorta a big deal, isn't it? Normally you only see intervention like that from the US or a neighbouring country of some sort. Granted it sounds like it's mostly just a handful of planes to back Assad, but it's still a fairly large shift.

I wonder how stretched the Russian military is feeling now.


Putin feels losing Assad worse than the costs of this.
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Post #403 by Slick Nick » Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:33 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:Putin feels losing Assad worse than the costs of this.


Putin is really getting out of control at this point.

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Post #404 by senate » Mon Oct 05, 2015 3:36 pm

The Russia government expects that volunteers, including Ukraine veterans, will soon be arriving in Syria.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/world/europe/nato-russia-warplane-turkey.html
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Post #405 by mooseOAK » Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:16 pm

Obama has his "I told you so" speech ready, I'm sure. He probably won't be President still when he gives it though.
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Post #406 by Dr_Chimera » Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:34 am

senate wrote:The Russia government expects that volunteers, including Ukraine veterans, will soon be arriving in Syria.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/world/europe/nato-russia-warplane-turkey.html


"Russia’s intervention already appears to have subverted diplomatic efforts to halt the war".

Appears. It was going great and then the Russians had to ruin it for everyone!

New York times is such fucking shit.
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Post #407 by Dr_Chimera » Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:36 am

Speaking of New York Times, it seems a hospital in Afghanistan blew itself up. US is investigating.
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Post #408 by Slick Nick » Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:53 pm

mooseOAK wrote:Obama has his "I told you so" speech ready, I'm sure. He probably won't be President still when he gives it though.


Putin has a better "I told you so speech" though.

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Post #409 by Whit Dickman » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:28 am

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Post #411 by IcE ColD » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:47 am

embracedbias wrote:What ever happened to dempsey_k?


I think he now rather express himself with 140 characters only.
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Post #412 by AD » Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:57 am

But.. like.. 10-12 posts in a row of 140 characters each.
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Post #413 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:16 am

Damn, Russia is bombing the shit out of Syria right now.
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Post #414 by Dog » Thu Oct 08, 2015 7:57 am

I didn't know that non Western/NATO countries were allowed to do that. This is rather shocking.
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Post #415 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:57 am

What a massive 'fuck you' by Putin to the CIA. Wow. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... TE=DEFAULT

Epic trolling on a massive scale.
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Post #416 by Dog » Sat Oct 10, 2015 7:48 am

Bomb moderates to overturn their gains and prop up Bashar.

Yeah, in your face! Go team!
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Post #417 by AD » Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:18 pm

Thus ensuring support for ISIS. Fool proof plan if I say so myself.
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Post #418 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:32 pm

AD wrote:Thus ensuring support for ISIS. Fool proof plan if I say so myself.


I think Putin wants to simplify the conflict into a one-against-one, in which Assad is less threatened.
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Post #419 by AD » Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:41 pm

Yes. Assad (and to a lesser extent Sissi) have long maintained they are the last barrier before the extremist Muslim danger. Unfortunately, they have been a great boon to Islamism.
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Post #420 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:25 am

Beginning to look like a proxy war with Russia in Syria: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2015/10/ob ... syria.html
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Post #427 by Slick Nick » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:57 am

AD wrote:Yes. Assad (and to a lesser extent Sissi) have long maintained they are the last barrier before the extremist Muslim danger. Unfortunately, they have been a great boon to Islamism.


Wouldn't Qadaphees early death have made the situation better for Libya by that theory? I don't see how a secularist authoritarian leader trying to maintain status quo can be seen as an agravating factor while money flows to "moderates" from the west and the gulf, are not.

But to be quite honnest, there's never been a conflict where I felt more clueless of it's causes and determinants.
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Post #428 by AD » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:00 am

The situation in Lybia is better in the sense that the general population's best option of government right now is not IS.

In Syria, IS is the only credible option outside of a blood thirsty dictator.

That's what I'm deploring in the half assed actions of the U.S. and the positioning of Russia.
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Post #429 by edgar_dong » Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:42 am

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Post #430 by Slick Nick » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:43 am

AD wrote:The situation in Lybia is better in the sense that the general population's best option of government right now is not IS.

In Syria, IS is the only credible option outside of a blood thirsty dictator.

That's what I'm deploring in the half assed actions of the U.S. and the positioning of Russia.


I don't know AD.. I wish I could believe that exterior help would lead to the democratization of these nations, but when the help comes from the CIA, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, I have my doubts. I stand with Putin and Xi Jinping on this issue; rather have an uncontrolable dictator with functionning institutions than a failed state with no institutions, hunderds of thousands of civilan casulties and migrants. Real change always comes from within...
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Post #431 by AD » Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:52 am

Real change comes from within, and then when it starts coming, prop up the dictator by bombing the opposition.

Is that the Xi Jinping method?
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Post #432 by jester » Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:01 am

AD wrote:Real change comes from within, and then when it starts coming, prop up the dictator by bombing the opposition.

Is that the Xi Jinping method?


Those two are big fans of change from within, though. True Story.
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Post #433 by Dog » Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:44 am

Give them a few centuries. All will be well, friends.
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Post #434 by Slick Nick » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:06 pm

AD wrote:Real change comes from within, and then when it starts coming, prop up the dictator by bombing the opposition.

Is that the Xi Jinping method?


Your idea implies that a) a majority of the population wants change and b) has a viable option. I'm not sure Christians, Alawites, Druzes, Kurds, Armenians, etc all considered the moderate sunni jihadists to be a viable option. I'm sure they all wanted change, but I'm not sure that they were willing to go into a civil war about it and that they wanted Al Nusra to replace the Al Assads. As I'm sure a majority of Afgans prefered the rule of the communists to the american financed taliban utopy they got instead thanks to western and gulf states intervention.
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Post #435 by Slick Nick » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:07 pm

jester wrote:
AD wrote:Real change comes from within, and then when it starts coming, prop up the dictator by bombing the opposition.

Is that the Xi Jinping method?


Those two are big fans of change from within, though. True Story.


Oh, hey, read more carefully. You might notice that there were at least two distinct ideas in that post.
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Post #436 by jester » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:40 pm

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jester wrote:
AD wrote:Real change comes from within, and then when it starts coming, prop up the dictator by bombing the opposition.

Is that the Xi Jinping method?


Those two are big fans of change from within, though. True Story.


Oh, hey, read more carefully. You might notice that there were at least two distinct ideas in that post.


Sarcasm, buddy.

More substantively, though, as AD pointed out ... it's difficult to square philosophical support for the notion that "change comes from within" with policies geared towards stamping out opposition. You argue above that you have doubts about the coherence of the opposition, the policies are geared towards the "least evil" option, etc.

It's a problem inherent to intervention ... folks like self-determination until it's uglier than they like, or it takes a form we would prefer it not. So, you prop up a dictator in Syria ... that's a short-term solution. What's the solution for 10 years from now? (Note: American foreign policy is obviously just as guilty of these flaws historically.)
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Post #437 by Dr_Chimera » Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:19 pm

PredsFan77 wrote:also lol chimmy a website named MOONOFALABAMA.ORG can be counted on to be a reliable source of information.


You're right Predo. We should only read establishment sources that reembody us into the hegemony.
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Post #438 by Dog » Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:29 pm

I sympathize with the argument that a power vacuum in the state of things in that part of the world may well be worse than the dictator you know.
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Post #439 by AD » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:02 pm

But the dictator you know is what causes a power vacuum upon his fall as he's undermined credible alternatives over a few decades in power.
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Post #440 by Dog » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:16 pm

Then have what goes on in Lybia, Iraq and large parts of Syria until they get their Reign of Terror and Counter-Revolutions out of the way and settled down nicely?
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Post #441 by Dog » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:17 pm

Dog wrote:Give them a few centuries. All will be well, friends.
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Post #442 by AD » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:13 pm

Dog wrote:Then have what goes on in Lybia, Iraq and large parts of Syria until they get their Reign of Terror and Counter-Revolutions out of the way and settled down nicely?


Ideally you don't spend 50 years propping up the regimes in the first place. But at this point, yeah.

That and show that you're serious about helping the people, not the corrupt political elites.
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Post #446 by Pennywise » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:52 pm

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Post #447 by Sturminator » Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:33 am

Slick Nick wrote:As I'm sure a majority of Afgans prefered the rule of the communists to the american financed taliban utopy they got instead thanks to western and gulf states intervention.

Lol...one could just as easily make a similar claim - that the Vietnamese preferred 'Murican rule to the violent clusterfuck Soviet and Chinese intervention helped make possible - and it would be no more moronic than what you're saying here.

Proxy wars are only acceptable when Russia wins them, is that it? Your opinions are so predictable that I'm certain any decent programmer could cobble together a simple bot whose textual output would be indistinguishable from the boilerplate nationalistic schlock you so consistently spew. In short, you fail the Turing test.
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Post #448 by Zardoz » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:08 am

Neither is ideal, but com'on, its the fucking Taliban.
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Post #449 by Sturminator » Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:28 pm

Zardoz wrote:Neither is ideal, but com'on, its the fucking Taliban.

The Taliban enjoyed widespread popular support during the war with the Soviets. Indeed, they wouldn't have survived for long without it.
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Post #450 by Slick Nick » Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:13 am

Oh look the retards are circle jerking again.




Oh but the people wanted the mujaheds and what about Vietnam!!!

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