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Post #3451 by Craig » Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:16 pm

Susf Mania wrote:55 is not old Craig. You have plenty of precious years left. (How old are you?)


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Post #3452 by shredz » Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:19 pm

That's not bad then. The age of voters seems to be dropping. I faintly remember the first time I voted in 2008 it was nothing but people in their 60s and 70s but every election since the age drops. Its about time we get represented and pandered to a bit.
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Post #3453 by shredz » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:11 pm

Oh look, Breitbart attacking Justin for Trump. Shocking.

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Post #3454 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:22 pm

AD wrote:That's because you're a horrible person, D. An NDP minority is clearly the best of those choices for Ontario.

As for everyone else outside of Ontario, at least with you electing Doug Ford, you can be the laughing stock of the country for a couple of years and possibly the world for a few days.


I just want a reasonably responsible, fiscally prudent government that doesn't spend money like a drunken sailor. All three main parties are promising to do just that.

How difficult is it to say that the province should live within its means. You know approximately how much tax revenue you can generate using current rates. Find ways to spend less by not throwing money at pet projects. Keep spending at similar rate without funding more shit in the future. Then if you have a surplus, reduce the debt. Once the debt is gone, then consider tax cuts and possible spending increases.

Regardless, the candidates in my riding are all mindless automatons who will do whatever their parties tell them to do. My decision is between a phd bureaucrat for the municipal government, a former mp who shouldn't have been elected the last time and was a complete failure in parliament, and an elementary school teacher who is a socialist. I might just vote for myself.
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Post #3455 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:54 pm

i don't think doug ford is worse than the ndp. i think they are the same. they are both completely shit. one will cut taxes and spend, causing a structural deficit which will make things worse for future governments. the other will spend even more and raise taxes higher than they already are until the top income earners leave the country in droves, causing a structural deficit which will make things more difficult for future governments.

the most reasonable option of the three is wynne and her i'll spend like a tipsy saiior and stick you with a short-term deficit. but there's no reasonable chance that her party will get more than a dozen seats. she may even end up with none after giving up last week.
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Post #3456 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:21 pm

I don't really see the difference between them other than one supporting unions and making the government pay for all their pet projects versus the other being anti-union and making the government pay for all of their pet projects.
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Post #3457 by The Bytown Boozer » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:52 pm

Dog wrote:okey dokey.

He's right though, the NDP and the Tories are a total liability...

Unlike #D's beloved Liberals who are ambivalent when it comes to unions, and are prone to make the government pay for all their pet projects.
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Post #3458 by The Bytown Boozer » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:07 pm

I've never voted for a non-social-democrat... except maybe Mulcair I s'pose...
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Post #3459 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:08 pm

The Bytown Boozer wrote:
Dog wrote:okey dokey.

He's right though, the NDP and the Tories are a total liability...

Unlike #D's beloved Liberals who are ambivalent when it comes to unions, and are prone to make the government pay for all their pet projects.

The Liberals don't really stand for anything and they are acting fiscally irresponsible so that we pay for their pet projects. I am okay with them not standing for anything. My big issue is paying extra for their pet projects so they can run a deficit. They might as well merge with the NDP and the Greens if they all want to share the same space on the electoral map.

There needs to be a decent fiscally conservative, socially liberal, middle of the road boring party that everyone can shake their heads at while realizing that they are the best option for the country.
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Post #3460 by The Bytown Boozer » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:12 pm

Agree with point #1.

Disagree with point #2.
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Post #3461 by senate » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:20 pm

I always vote for candidate with the coolest sounding surname.
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Post #3462 by senate » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:20 pm

Just to clarify, by "coolest" I mean most anglophone.
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Post #3463 by The Bytown Boozer » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:30 pm

As a clandestine francophone, I thank you for your vote, Sénate.
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Post #3464 by The Bytown Boozer » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:52 pm

Boozer's prediction for this evening: the Liberals will pick up but one lone seat, and it shall be my riding of Ottawa-Vanier.
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Post #3465 by mcphee » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:56 pm

Dog wrote:Mcphee, explain something to me, I still don’t feel like I get it. Why are all yer country folk championing very distasteful right wing populists?

Don’t think they do. When folks meet up at county fairs, they complain about hydro costs, governments being citified and not giving a crap about rural folk, but I don’t hear much Ford praise.
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Post #3466 by mcphee » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:03 pm

The Bytown Boozer wrote:I've never voted for a non-social-democrat... except maybe Mulcair I s'pose...

I like the local PC guy , he genuinely works for his community. He’ll get 65-70% of the vote. I figured that he doesn’t need me so so went NDP
So that Ford can hopefully know that he didn’t win the popular vote.
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Post #3467 by mayoradamwest » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:36 pm

Pragmatism is fine by me.
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Post #3468 by mcphee » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:43 pm

Dog wrote:Then why are yer country folk supporting right wing populists the world over, mcphee?

Probably lack of viable alternatives
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Post #3469 by clawfirst » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:52 pm

It was the worst crop of leaders ive ever seen.

When the PC minority is official all will be fine as theyll collapse
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Post #3470 by clawfirst » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:56 pm

Its us city folk having all the power...rightfully.
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Post #3471 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:01 pm

clawfirst wrote:It was the worst crop of leaders ive ever seen.

When the PC minority is official all will be fine as theyll collapse


My hope is that they are forced to not to do anything ridiculous and end up having to be a centrist government. But realistically, I don't think it will happen.
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Post #3472 by clawfirst » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:02 pm

Boring Choice #2 wrote:
clawfirst wrote:It was the worst crop of leaders ive ever seen.

When the PC minority is official all will be fine as theyll collapse


My hope is that they are forced to not to do anything ridiculous and end up having to be a centrist government. But realistically, I don't think it will happen.

Lol nope. Ndplib coalition
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Post #3473 by clawfirst » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:12 pm

Lol fuck
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Post #3474 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:13 pm

:shakehead:
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Post #3475 by WTF » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:13 pm

clawfirst wrote:Its us city folk having all the power...rightfully.


Part of the populist surge is probably a sense that "dem damn city folks elected a lesbian to order us all around!" (just like our neighbours to the south had a rather violent reaction to the fact that "dem damn city folks elected a black man to order us all around!") and part of it is the Liberals just making some lousy decisions over the last couple of years, especially related to overpaying for green energy but also the Ontario Hydro situation.

The benefits of cleaner air are probably overlooked by most people so it's a matter of "what have you done for/to me lately?".
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Post #3476 by Zardoz » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:14 pm

I hate this province so much.
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Post #3477 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:15 pm

I look forward to seeing the change in 2022 or 23.
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Post #3478 by clawfirst » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:15 pm

And its already over
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Post #3479 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:16 pm

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Also, let's keep this thread about Galchenyuk's on-ice performance, development and value and NOT bring in his personal life or race.
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Post #3480 by senate » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:17 pm

This checks out. I think I was the only person at my polling station under 70.
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Post #3481 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:23 pm

Dog wrote:I blame Big D for this fiasco.

:crossarms:


My riding went orange. Don't blame me.
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Post #3482 by Zardoz » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:23 pm

That fiscal conservatives are so narrow sighted they are willing to vote for a former drug dealer/ guy who is running his family business into the ground/ guy who didn't even have a platform is disturbing.

But yeah, buck a beer.
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Post #3483 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:25 pm

Beer and popcorn is a long-standing conservative policy area.
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Post #3484 by WTF » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:26 pm

Zardoz wrote:That fiscal conservatives are so narrow sighted they are willing to vote for a former drug dealer/ guy who is running his family business into the ground/ guy who didn't even have a platform is disturbing.

But yeah, buck a beer.


The sad thing is that nothing about his half-assed platform says "fiscal conservative". Cutting taxes/sources of income while spending on stupid shit like doubling down on the Scarborough subway line?
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Post #3485 by senate » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:26 pm

Boozer is really going to be pissed off when the Liberal cruise to victory in the next election using a watered down copy of the NDP's current platform.
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Post #3486 by Zardoz » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:31 pm

Boring Choice #2 wrote:Beer and popcorn is a long-standing conservative policy area.


Corn is a big deal! Popped corn is even bigger!
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Post #3487 by mcphee » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:39 pm

Dog wrote:Now, wtf is it about the modern world that has yer people so spooked, mcphee?

I think there’s a real antipathy to being told what you should embrace. I was in an American aluminum plant a few weeks ago. These guys have no interest in modern world issues, whatever the fuck they are. They have huge interest in the plant staying open.
Personally , I think they were sold bullshit, but at least they were spoken to.

That’s a big part of it.
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Post #3488 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:41 pm

Zardoz wrote:I hate this province so much.


I do not understand people with whom I share this planet.
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Post #3489 by The Bytown Boozer » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:42 pm

clawfirst wrote:Its us city folk having all the power...rightfully.

How in the fuck do we have all the power? Thanks to first-past-the-post the rural vote is worth twice as much as ours!
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Post #3490 by mcphee » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:44 pm

I’m twice the man as most urbanites. That’s why .
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Post #3491 by mcphee » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:55 pm

Dog wrote:
mcphee wrote:
Dog wrote:Now, wtf is it about the modern world that has yer people so spooked, mcphee?

I think there’s a real antipathy to being told what you should embrace. I was in an American aluminum plant a few weeks ago. These guys have no interest in modern world issues, whatever the fuck they are. They have huge interest in the plant staying open.
Personally , I think they were sold bullshit, but at least they were spoken to.

That’s a big part of it.


The real strory is that manufacturing and increasingly repetitive service/office jobs will become automated. There is no real solution to that. I think growing inequality will have to be addressed by redistribution -but these people aren’t buying in to social platforms, they are going right wing. I don’t think people want to hear the « real story ». The real story is that the clock isn’t getting turned back.

Somehow I didn’t think the 2 engineers and the procurement guy have much interest in these theories. They are aware of automation. They couldn’t survive in the marketplace without it. These aren’t old coal miners
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Post #3492 by clawfirst » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:57 pm

The Bytown Boozer wrote:
clawfirst wrote:Its us city folk having all the power...rightfully.

How in the fuck do we have all the power? Thanks to first-past-the-post the rural vote is worth twice as much as ours!

It doesnt have to be true for them to believe it
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Post #3493 by senate » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:59 pm

Dog wrote:So, when do we start getting reports of Russian intervention in this election?

:wink:


Yesterday: https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/06/06/news/inhuman-frequency-army-bots-shares-news-about-doug-ford-twitter-and-facebook
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Post #3494 by senate » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:10 pm

I think you people are spending too much time blaming the conservative base for this one. The Conservatives won because NDP got kneecapped by the Liberals. Even before Wynne's concession, the Liberals ads stopped attacking Ford and focused squarely on the NDP. The Liberal Party would rather have a Conservative government undo everything the Liberals did in the last 15 years than risk the Liberal Party losing official party status. That is some party over province shit worthy of the Republicans.
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Post #3495 by senate » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:15 pm

But with that said, an even slightly charismatic leader could have won this for the NDP. Horwath needs to go. Too bad Singh is too busy loitering around the Centre Block foyer to run for the job.
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Post #3496 by mcphee » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:21 pm

senate wrote:I think you people are spending too much time blaming the conservative base for this one. The Conservatives won because NDP got kneecapped by the Liberals. Even before Wynne's concession, the Liberals ads stopped attacking Ford and focused squarely on the NDP. The Liberal Party would rather have a Conservative government undo everything the Liberals did in the last 15 years than risk the Liberal Party losing official party status. That is some party over province shit worthy of the Republicans.

I don't think there's any populist link here. Ford happened to stumble into he leadership. The PC's really had no way to lose this. In most communities, I don't think they pushed the leader as a marketing tool. We had the local guy very visible and very little reference to Ford. They weren't going to get Hudak'd again.
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Post #3497 by senate » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:23 pm

Dog wrote:But that’s the root of it. Voting conservative can be a perfectly valid choice. The issue is with the grassroots going for right wing populists the world over and then moderates rallying in sufficient numbers post fact (ie. not my kind of guy, but lol not gonna risk paying more taxes).


Psychological studies suggest that conservatism is rooted in fear. I blame the rise of right wing populism on the anti-bullying initiatives. Cowardly men, women, and especially children should be mercilessly be bullied in person, online, and by bricks thrown through their windows until they become brave and, by extension, progressive.
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Post #3498 by senate » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:30 pm

Kudos to the CBC for being so professional, even though Ford is going to take all their funding away.
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Post #3499 by mcphee » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:31 pm

Dog wrote:
mcphee wrote:
senate wrote:I think you people are spending too much time blaming the conservative base for this one. The Conservatives won because NDP got kneecapped by the Liberals. Even before Wynne's concession, the Liberals ads stopped attacking Ford and focused squarely on the NDP. The Liberal Party would rather have a Conservative government undo everything the Liberals did in the last 15 years than risk the Liberal Party losing official party status. That is some party over province shit worthy of the Republicans.

I don't think there's any populist link here. Ford happened to stumble into he leadership. The PC's really had no way to lose this. In most communities, I don't think they pushed the leader as a marketing tool. We had the local guy very visible and very little reference to Ford. They weren't going to get Hudak'd again.


Maybe, but Ford is the premier. How the fuck do people endorse that? I’m badfled, mcphee!

That's why so many people had a hard time voting this time around. I could probably introduce you to 100 people tomorrow who'd say, I couldn't not vote for Jim. I do think rural communities vote for the local rep more than cities do. People know that if they call their mp, he'll listen. His opponents, who knows.
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Post #3500 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:43 pm

senate wrote:Kudos to the CBC for being so professional, even though Ford is going to take all their funding away.


I hope he does. CBC is trash.

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