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Post #1 by chicpea » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:48 pm

Here are some people who wrote a letter.

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You can read it here: https://www.axios.com/over-70-former-in ... 32d62.html
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Post #2 by senate » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:58 pm

Just the Deep State trying to stop the swamp draining.
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Post #3 by Dog » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:14 pm

Which letter did they write?

I hope it was E. i always especially liked the letter E.
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Post #4 by Dog » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:16 pm

So what’s the thing with losing clearance? Why do they care? Lose work opportunities?
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Post #5 by senate » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:23 pm

Dog wrote:So what’s the thing with losing clearance? Why do they care? Lose work opportunities?


They don't care. Usually being stripped of a security clearance would be a big deal, since the details would usually be secret and future employers (including the government) would therefore treat it as a giant red flag, but these cases are so public and nakedly political that no one has to worry about that.

The problem with Trump stripping security clearances is the symbolism. The President of the United States is openly using his powers to arbitrary punish his political enemies. That's not how the American political system is supposed to work. Congress has the power to take away the President's power over security clearance but America has gotten so bad that no one even humors the idea that the legislature will act as a check and balance against a flagrant abuse of power by the executive.
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Post #6 by PredsFan77 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 9:18 am

chicpea wrote:Here are some people who wrote a letter.


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Post #7 by chicpea » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:04 am

I am astonished at these times. I am disturbed and excited. I have never read of nor witnessed anything like this. Not even Nero. We are truly the luckiest of generations.
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Post #8 by senate » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:08 pm

chicpea wrote:I am astonished at these times. I am disturbed and excited. I have never read of nor witnessed anything like this. Not even Nero. We are truly the luckiest of generations.


https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01N9ZJXZJ

(There are probably other, more scholarly works about the century or so before Julius Caesar, but this one is pretty entertaining.)
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Post #9 by Slick Nick » Sun Aug 19, 2018 2:48 am

I'd be more concerned about a proportion of Americans getting their worldview shaped by an ex-CIA director than and ex-CIA director being denied access to classified material... we live in strange times indeed.
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Post #10 by chicpea » Sun Aug 19, 2018 5:43 am

Well, some people are rattled.

Even now, I don’t think most political commentators have grasped how deep the rot goes. I don’t think they understand, or at any rate admit to themselves, that democracy really could die just a few months from now.



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Post #13 by mooseOAK » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:46 am

Slick Nick wrote:I'd be more concerned about a proportion of Americans getting their worldview shaped by an ex-CIA director than and ex-CIA director being denied access to classified material... we live in strange times indeed.

So you prefer that their voices be muzzled over them not being able to assist current intelligence officials.
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Post #14 by Slick Nick » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:49 am

mooseOAK wrote:
Slick Nick wrote:I'd be more concerned about a proportion of Americans getting their worldview shaped by an ex-CIA director than and ex-CIA director being denied access to classified material... we live in strange times indeed.

So you prefer that their voices be muzzled over them not being able to assist current intelligence officials.


I prefer my news sources not directed by CIA directors.
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Post #15 by mooseOAK » Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:59 am

Slick Nick wrote:
mooseOAK wrote:
Slick Nick wrote:I'd be more concerned about a proportion of Americans getting their worldview shaped by an ex-CIA director than and ex-CIA director being denied access to classified material... we live in strange times indeed.

So you prefer that their voices be muzzled over them not being able to assist current intelligence officials.


I prefer my news sources not directed by CIA directors.

There are plenty of intelligent people who have warned us about the incompetence and criminality (allegedly) of Donald Trump so we do have options.
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Post #16 by Slick Nick » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:06 am

mooseOAK wrote:
Slick Nick wrote:
mooseOAK wrote:So you prefer that their voices be muzzled over them not being able to assist current intelligence officials.


I prefer my news sources not directed by CIA directors.

There are plenty of intelligent people who have warned us about the incompetence and criminality (allegedly) of Donald Trump so we do have options.


Even if you hate Donald Trump, it's not a sufficient reason to accept that journalism becomes a subsidiary of intel... it's all I'm saying. Journalism like justice serves a vital function in democracy, it should not be tampered by the CIA. There was a time when intel agencies would try to influence or co-opt journalists, now we live in a time where a former CIA director is a high ranking member of one of the most important media conglomerates in the country. It's not his place. If he wants to be part of the media, he should cut all ties with the CIA...
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Post #17 by Dr_Chimera » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:42 am

Slick Nick wrote:I'd be more concerned about a proportion of Americans getting their worldview shaped by an ex-CIA director than and ex-CIA director being denied access to classified material... we live in strange times indeed.


You're thinking like a true commie now.
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Post #18 by Slick Nick » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:05 am

Dr_Chimera wrote:
Slick Nick wrote:I'd be more concerned about a proportion of Americans getting their worldview shaped by an ex-CIA director than and ex-CIA director being denied access to classified material... we live in strange times indeed.


You're thinking like a true commie now.


But Pea said I was a nazi..

I'm confused now.
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Post #20 by senate » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:45 pm

Cohen is going to plead. :hillary:

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Post #21 by Dog » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:48 pm

Oh.My.Gawd.
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Post #22 by senate » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:59 pm

Trump has a rally in West Virginia tonight. I expect he will be especially unhinged, doubly so if the Manafort verdict comes today.
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Post #24 by Dog » Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:41 pm

senate wrote:Trump has a rally in West Virginia tonight. I expect he will be especially unhinged, doubly so if the Manafort verdict comes today.


Manafort jury seems hung, at least on one charge per wapo earlier today.
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Post #25 by chicpea » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:36 pm

Hung on one count out of 18. I’m not a legal person. How much does that matter? How much a dimishnent is a partial verdict? Are all counts equal? Does the jury have an option to dismiss one count and grant a full verdict on 17? Please answer all of my questions before I hack in again after my workshop.
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Post #26 by senate » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:42 pm

chicpea wrote:Hung on one count out of 18. I’m not a legal person. How much does that matter? How much a dimishnent is a partial verdict? Are all counts equal? Does the jury have an option to dismiss one count and grant a full verdict on 17? Please answer all of my questions before I hack in again after my workshop.


Each count is separate so the jury can find a defendant guilty on 17 counts and not guilty on 1, or vice versa, or anything in-between.
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Post #28 by mooseOAK » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:00 pm

senate wrote:https://twitter.com/Evan_Rosenfeld/status/1031987219538444288

Thanks, J.D.
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Post #29 by Dog » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:09 pm

senate wrote:https://twitter.com/Evan_Rosenfeld/status/1031987219538444288


Unclear whether it includes cooperation with Mueller investigation, though.

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Post #30 by senate » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:55 pm

Manafort guilty of 8 charges out of 18. Those 8 charges carry a combined maximum term of imprisonment of 240 years.

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Post #31 by senate » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:56 pm

But more importantly:

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Post #32 by senate » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:57 pm

It is Stormy related.

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Post #33 by PredsFan77 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:02 pm

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Post #34 by jester » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:12 pm

Slick Nick wrote:
mooseOAK wrote:
Slick Nick wrote:
I prefer my news sources not directed by CIA directors.

There are plenty of intelligent people who have warned us about the incompetence and criminality (allegedly) of Donald Trump so we do have options.


Even if you hate Donald Trump, it's not a sufficient reason to accept that journalism becomes a subsidiary of intel... it's all I'm saying. Journalism like justice serves a vital function in democracy, it should not be tampered by the CIA. There was a time when intel agencies would try to influence or co-opt journalists, now we live in a time where a former CIA director is a high ranking member of one of the most important media conglomerates in the country. It's not his place. If he wants to be part of the media, he should cut all ties with the CIA...


Are you talking about Brennan here? He's a contract contributor, not a "high ranking member." It's not like he has editorial input, unless he has some bizarre role I haven't seen reported.
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Post #35 by PredsFan77 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:47 pm

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Post #37 by Dog » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:50 pm

It’s a rather dinky electoral finance crime, tho.
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Post #38 by PredsFan77 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:50 pm

Cohen gonna get poisoned isn't he?
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Post #39 by AD » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:51 pm

PredsFan77 wrote:Cohen gonna get poisoned isn't he?


Poison's taking 24hrs too long to work.
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Post #40 by Dog » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:51 pm

As always, this thing is political. Is it enough to move the GOP controlled house to impeach...very unlikely. Seems to be a futher something to play into the narrative of the Nov election. Depending on results then, reassess.
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Post #41 by senate » Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:58 pm

PredsFan77 wrote:Cohen gonna get poisoned isn't he?


It is much more likely that Trump goes off script tonight and pardons him and Manafort.
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Post #42 by senate » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:03 pm

Who is Individual-1? Once the feds find out they'll be able to blow this case wide open.

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Post #43 by PredsFan77 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:04 pm

toobin says be ready for immunity to be given to cohen and him being compelled to tesify before grand jury and/or congress


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Post #44 by senate » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:17 pm

When it rains, it pours.

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Post #45 by PredsFan77 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:25 pm

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Post #46 by chicpea » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:50 pm

Dog wrote:It’s a rather dinky electoral finance crime, tho.


Just gettin started, brah
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Post #47 by mayoradamwest » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:18 pm

Truly, the blurst of times.
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Post #50 by PredsFan77 » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:32 pm

is cohen john dean or is the white house council john dean?
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