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these libs triggered kanye cursing in the oval office never apparently heard the nixon/lbj tapes
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speaking of nixon, is this meeting the millenial Elvis/Nixon?
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I hear if you want the entire thing, Kanye will mail you $1000
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I only made it to 10 minutes =[
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Post #606 by Dog » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:01 pm

well, it came from the heart. was just totally misguided.
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Post #607 by mayoradamwest » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:32 am

my theory that Kanye's life is entirely performance art is getting harder to maintain, but damn it, I want to believe.
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Post #614 by Dog » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:08 am

Pocahontas!
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Post #615 by shredz » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:10 am

I am starting her campaign over in the Devils politik thread. Craig and Chic stop by, you are more then welcome to enjoy the shit show.

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Post #617 by chicpea » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:06 pm

Melania's face. Priceless.
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Post #618 by Dr_Chimera » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:05 pm

Liz Warren is an idiot. This is like a massive self-own and she has no idea.
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Post #619 by chicpea » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:16 pm

If you had actually done your research and watched the very informative documentary posted above, you'd know she goes by Betsy.
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Post #620 by Dr_Chimera » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:48 pm

She has a bit of injun in her and apparently whole lot of racist republican. A well-balanced American.
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Post #622 by Dog » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:55 pm

She didn’t appropriate anything. She didn’t claim herself of any tribe. She said she had aboriginal descent, which she does. She’s from freaking Oklahoma and her mother’s side was known for having mixed aboriginal heritage. She neither sought or gained any advantage from it. It was raised by a political opponent in 2012, not her. She clarified.

What the fuck is wrong with people? Has everybody lost the capacity for nuance?

People are freaking hooked on outrage.
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Post #623 by PredsFan77 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:40 pm

aboriginal? what she from australia too?
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Post #624 by shredz » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:42 pm

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Dog wrote:She didn’t appropriate anything. She didn’t claim herself of any tribe. She said she had aboriginal descent, which she does. She’s from freaking Oklahoma and her mother’s side was known for having mixed aboriginal heritage. She neither sought or gained any advantage from it. It was raised by a political opponent in 2012, not her. She clarified.

What the fuck is wrong with people? Has everybody lost the capacity for nuance?

People are freaking hooked on outrage.


Well, the issue stems from whether she used this family tree factoid for professional advancement ... and the answers there have always been a bit confusing. I do agree with the general point, however, when it comes to the DNA testing. Independent of family tradition about Native American ancestors, she obviously wanted an objective response to Trump for her intended POTUS run. If people get this worked up about Warren, they need to reflect on how they deal with Trump's Pocahontas BS.

What is kind of interesting in the long perspective is that this is a country where, once upon a time, being white meant blood purity from a legal standpoint (true in all the British colonies). One drop of known non-white bloodlines meant you weren't white.
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Post #626 by Dr_Chimera » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:43 pm

Dog wrote:She didn’t appropriate anything.


(Warren) identified herself as a “Native American” in the The Association of American Law Schools Directory of law professors between 1986 and 1995, and Harvard recorded her as Native American as late as 2004. At the University of Pennsylvania, she identified herself as a racial minority. She was described in the Fordham Law Review in 1997 as Harvard Law School’s first “woman of color.”


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Post #627 by Dog » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:49 pm

jester wrote:
Dog wrote:She didn’t appropriate anything. She didn’t claim herself of any tribe. She said she had aboriginal descent, which she does. She’s from freaking Oklahoma and her mother’s side was known for having mixed aboriginal heritage. She neither sought or gained any advantage from it. It was raised by a political opponent in 2012, not her. She clarified.

What the fuck is wrong with people? Has everybody lost the capacity for nuance?

People are freaking hooked on outrage.


Well, the issue stems from whether she used this family tree factoid for professional advancement ... and the answers there have always been a bit confusing. I do agree with the general point, however, when it comes to the DNA testing. Independent of family tradition about Native American ancestors, she obviously wanted an objective response to Trump for her intended POTUS run. If people get this worked up about Warren, they need to reflect on how they deal with Trump's Pocahontas BS.

What is kind of interesting in the long perspective is that this is a country where, once upon a time, being white meant blood purity from a legal standpoint (true in all the British colonies). One drop of known non-white bloodlines meant you weren't white.


I don’t know why it has to be complicated. She has a family history of native american ancestors in her mother’s family history. It appears to have caused her mother problems with her dad’s family, so it would be there in the family’s consciousness. She was freaking born in the 40s in Oklahoma. Not surprising it would have been something the family was conscious of and she was as well. Years later, she listed herself as having native american heritage. By all accounts, she was a brilliant professor. No need to play a “native american” card and no evidence that it helped her. She very well may simply have been truthful. It was brought up years later by a political opponent. She wasn’t in any way relying on it.

What are we talking about?
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Post #628 by jester » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:50 pm

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Dog wrote:She didn’t appropriate anything.


(Warren) identified herself as a “Native American” in the The Association of American Law Schools Directory of law professors between 1986 and 1995, and Harvard recorded her as Native American as late as 2004. At the University of Pennsylvania, she identified herself as a racial minority. She was described in the Fordham Law Review in 1997 as Harvard Law School’s first “woman of color.”


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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boston ... K/amp.html

"In the most exhaustive review undertaken of Elizabeth Warren’s professional history, the Globe found clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools. At every step of her remarkable rise in the legal profession, the people responsible for hiring her saw her as a white woman."


The answers have always been squirrelly, but it's not as clear cut as you are reading there.
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Dr_Chimera wrote:
Dog wrote:She didn’t appropriate anything.


(Warren) identified herself as a “Native American” in the The Association of American Law Schools Directory of law professors between 1986 and 1995, and Harvard recorded her as Native American as late as 2004. At the University of Pennsylvania, she identified herself as a racial minority. She was described in the Fordham Law Review in 1997 as Harvard Law School’s first “woman of color.”


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Ya think maybe she believed ahe had native american heritage from her family history?
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Dog wrote:
jester wrote:
Dog wrote:She didn’t appropriate anything. She didn’t claim herself of any tribe. She said she had aboriginal descent, which she does. She’s from freaking Oklahoma and her mother’s side was known for having mixed aboriginal heritage. She neither sought or gained any advantage from it. It was raised by a political opponent in 2012, not her. She clarified.

What the fuck is wrong with people? Has everybody lost the capacity for nuance?

People are freaking hooked on outrage.


Well, the issue stems from whether she used this family tree factoid for professional advancement ... and the answers there have always been a bit confusing. I do agree with the general point, however, when it comes to the DNA testing. Independent of family tradition about Native American ancestors, she obviously wanted an objective response to Trump for her intended POTUS run. If people get this worked up about Warren, they need to reflect on how they deal with Trump's Pocahontas BS.

What is kind of interesting in the long perspective is that this is a country where, once upon a time, being white meant blood purity from a legal standpoint (true in all the British colonies). One drop of known non-white bloodlines meant you weren't white.


I don’t know why it has to be complicated. She has a family history of native american ancestors in her mother’s family history. It appears to have caused her mither problems with her dad’s family, so it would be there in the family’s consciousness. She was freaking born in the 40s in Oklahoma. Not surprising it would have been something the family was conscious of and she was as well. Years later, she listed herself as having native american heritage. By all accounts, she was a brilliant professor. No need to play a “native american” card and no ecidence that it helped her. She very well may simply have been truthful. It was brought up years later by a political opponent. She wasn’t in any way relying on it.

What are we talking about?


Then she should have had a better answer when pressed on it. My guess is her "use" of Native American lineage is in a but of a gray area. It's not as cynical as the sources Chim is citing, but not as clean as she has presented it.

At the end of the day it's an issue more due to political opposition than anything else.
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jester wrote:
Dog wrote:
jester wrote:
Well, the issue stems from whether she used this family tree factoid for professional advancement ... and the answers there have always been a bit confusing. I do agree with the general point, however, when it comes to the DNA testing. Independent of family tradition about Native American ancestors, she obviously wanted an objective response to Trump for her intended POTUS run. If people get this worked up about Warren, they need to reflect on how they deal with Trump's Pocahontas BS.

What is kind of interesting in the long perspective is that this is a country where, once upon a time, being white meant blood purity from a legal standpoint (true in all the British colonies). One drop of known non-white bloodlines meant you weren't white.


I don’t know why it has to be complicated. She has a family history of native american ancestors in her mother’s family history. It appears to have caused her mither problems with her dad’s family, so it would be there in the family’s consciousness. She was freaking born in the 40s in Oklahoma. Not surprising it would have been something the family was conscious of and she was as well. Years later, she listed herself as having native american heritage. By all accounts, she was a brilliant professor. No need to play a “native american” card and no ecidence that it helped her. She very well may simply have been truthful. It was brought up years later by a political opponent. She wasn’t in any way relying on it.

What are we talking about?


Then she should have had a better answer when pressed on it. My guess is her "use" of Native American lineage is in a but of a gray area. It's not as cynical as the sources Chim is citing, but not as clean as she has presented it.

At the end of the day it's an issue more due to political opposition than anything else.


Honestly, I don’t buy at all that she was being opportunistic by claiming native american heritage in the 80s and 90s. She has plenty ability and as you state sources within the faculties confirm it played no part in hiring. I tend to really think she identified as such from her mother’s family history.
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Post #632 by Dog » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:03 pm

I do find it hilarious that the good doctor turned so easily on one of the very most progressive senators and an anti-big bank crusader on account of Trump’s Pocahontas nothing burger. Funny.

Oh is that sense of outrage ever alluring.
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Post #633 by Germz » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:10 pm

Dog, overall I agree, but folks in Canada may be less aware of the weird white American fixation with claiming Native American descent. It has certain connotations that we don't see up north nearly as much IMO, apart from the Joseph Boydens of the world.

A good friend of mine from the deep south was always told the usual nonsense family story about Cherokee ancestry. Last year he spit in a cup and found out he had a few African ancestors instead. Probably because his people were raping slaves instead of having exotic romances with injuns. He wasn't really surprised. Stories like that are probably dime a dozen.
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jester wrote:"In the most exhaustive review undertaken of Elizabeth Warren’s professional history, the Globe found clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools. At every step of her remarkable rise in the legal profession, the people responsible for hiring her saw her as a white woman."


The answers have always been squirrelly, but it's not as clear cut as you are reading there.


My issue is more with what she did rather than what Harvard did.
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Post #635 by jester » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:18 pm

Dog wrote:
jester wrote:
Dog wrote:
I don’t know why it has to be complicated. She has a family history of native american ancestors in her mother’s family history. It appears to have caused her mither problems with her dad’s family, so it would be there in the family’s consciousness. She was freaking born in the 40s in Oklahoma. Not surprising it would have been something the family was conscious of and she was as well. Years later, she listed herself as having native american heritage. By all accounts, she was a brilliant professor. No need to play a “native american” card and no ecidence that it helped her. She very well may simply have been truthful. It was brought up years later by a political opponent. She wasn’t in any way relying on it.

What are we talking about?


Then she should have had a better answer when pressed on it. My guess is her "use" of Native American lineage is in a but of a gray area. It's not as cynical as the sources Chim is citing, but not as clean as she has presented it.

At the end of the day it's an issue more due to political opposition than anything else.


Honestly, I don’t buy at all that she was being opportunistic by claiming native american heritage in the 80s and 90s. She has plenty ability and as you state sources within the faculties confirm it played no part in hiring. I tend to really think she identified as such from her mother’s family history.


There are lots of folks with plenty of ability that never sniff teaching at Ivy League law programs. Most of the folks at those institutions were opportunistic in one way or another along the way.
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Dog wrote:Ya think maybe she believed ahe had native american heritage from her family history?


This point is addressed in the article I cited, which - by the way - is from one of the more progressive publications we have.

Whether Warren has a droplet of native American heritage is beside the point. What matters is the intent behind affirmative action policies, which she overlooked (to put this kindly).

Also, as the articles states:

It is wrong to claim an oppressed identity if you do not actually have that identity.


The test showed Warren to have between 1/64 and 1/1024 Native ancestry, with one ancestor six to ten generations ago, meaning one person probably in the 18th century and possibly as far back as 1700. By this standard, a very, very large number of white Americans could list themselves as being “Cherokee” in the tribal cookbook.


She should have apologized and moved on.
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Post #637 by jester » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:19 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:
jester wrote:"In the most exhaustive review undertaken of Elizabeth Warren’s professional history, the Globe found clear evidence, in documents and interviews, that her claim to Native American ethnicity was never considered by the Harvard Law faculty, which voted resoundingly to hire her, or by those who hired her to four prior positions at other law schools. At every step of her remarkable rise in the legal profession, the people responsible for hiring her saw her as a white woman."


The answers have always been squirrelly, but it's not as clear cut as you are reading there.


My issue is more with what she did rather than what Harvard did.


Sure ... but what she did is not nearly as clear as her critics suggest.
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jester wrote:Sure ... but what she did is not nearly as clear as her critics suggest.


Depends on the critics you are talking about. Warren's conservative critics are simply trolls. Warren's progressive critics are worth listening to.
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Post #639 by jester » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:23 pm

Germz wrote:Dog, overall I agree, but folks in Canada may be less aware of the weird white American fixation with claiming Native American descent. It has certain connotations that we don't see up north nearly as much IMO, apart from the Joseph Boydens of the world.

A good friend of mine from the deep south was always told the usual nonsense family story about Cherokee ancestry. Last year he spit in a cup and found out he had a few African ancestors instead. Probably because his people were raping slaves instead of having exotic romances with injuns. He wasn't really surprised. Stories like that are probably dime a dozen.


I mean, in borderland regions racial intermingling was common from the start. I suspect a large chunk of the white pop. has some non-white ancestry if their American roots are deep enough. Additionally, the social and legal implications of that ancestry makes the suppression/forgetting of that ancestry perfectly understandable. The kid with a non-white great grandparent probably wasn't bragging about it.

The big difference between the US and Canada is that Canada didn't have the baggage of slavery in the same way.
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Post #640 by jester » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:27 pm

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jester wrote:Sure ... but what she did is not nearly as clear as her critics suggest.


Depends on the critics you are talking about. Warren's conservative critics are simply trolls. Warren's progressive critics are worth listening to.


Progressives are no less immune to hyperbole and ridiculousness.
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jester wrote:Progressives are no less immune to hyperbole and ridiculousness.


Maybe, but in this case it helps to read, rather than dismiss, what they have to say.
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Post #642 by Dr_Chimera » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:33 pm

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/16/eli ... n-harvard/

By allowing herself to be held out as Native American, Warren enabled the university to leverage her identity as a pretext and decline to hire additional Native American faculty members.

This isn’t just a hypothetical claim: In a 1996 article in the Harvard Crimson, Harvard Law School’s spokesperson Michael Chmura used Warren to diffuse criticism directed at Harvard Law School for its diversity failures: “Although the conventional wisdom among students and faculty is that the Law School faculty includes no minority women, Chmura said Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren is Native American.”

In 1990, Harvard Law’s first African-American tenured law professor Derrick Bell protested the lack of diversity among the tenured faculty by taking an unpaid leave of absence. After two years, Harvard had still not hired any minority women for tenured or tenure-track positions, and when Bell requested an extension of his leave, he was denied — ending his own tenure status.

Harvard University has struggled to recruit diverse faculty members over the decades since. It hired its first actual tenured Native American professor this year and didn’t hire its first nonwhite woman — Lani Guinier — until 1998. In the wake of historic on-campus tumult in response diversity complaints, it’s implausible that Warren didn’t understand the implications of identifying as a woman of color.


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Post #643 by Dog » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:42 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:it’s implausible that Warren didn’t understand the implications of identifying as a woman of color.


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Post #644 by Dog » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:45 pm

Germz wrote:Dog, overall I agree, but folks in Canada may be less aware of the weird white American fixation with claiming Native American descent. It has certain connotations that we don't see up north nearly as much IMO, apart from the Joseph Boydens of the world.

A good friend of mine from the deep south was always told the usual nonsense family story about Cherokee ancestry. Last year he spit in a cup and found out he had a few African ancestors instead. Probably because his people were raping slaves instead of having exotic romances with injuns. He wasn't really surprised. Stories like that are probably dime a dozen.


I don’t understand? I don’t understand?

Motherfucker, I’m ALL BLACK!

(Probably, maybe a little, considering I’m of ultimate African descent)
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Post #645 by jester » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:48 pm

As said, I think Warren has been squirrelly on this for a reason. That being said, I'm fascinated that Harvard doesn't irk you more there.
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The difference between Warren and Harvard to me is that I expected more of Warren. I already hate Harvard.
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Post #647 by chicpea » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:55 pm

Next you're going to tell me Liza Minelli wasn't Asian.
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Post #648 by jester » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:57 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:The difference between Warren and Harvard to me is that I expected more of Warren. I already hate Harvard.


In 1996, she was in her first year in a dream job after rising from pretty humble origins. Bet she'd do things differently today, but hindsight is 20/20 and all that.
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jester wrote:In 1996, she was in her first year in a dream job after rising from pretty humble origins. Bet she'd do things differently today, but hindsight is 20/20 and all that.


Maybe she doesn't deserve the skewering that conservatives are giving her, but doing that dna test was like salt on a wound.
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Post #650 by Dog » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:10 pm

Why is nobody perfect?

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