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"as long as questions remain unanswered..."

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The caption in Arabic says: from extremist terrorist to extremist liberal.
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Post #154 by AD » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:30 pm

Where do you get this stuff shredz
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Post #156 by Dr_Chimera » Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:13 pm

Germans: "We're pulling all arms sales until we get clear answers."

Saudis: "We cut off the dude's fingers, killed him and then dismembered him and you will never find the body."

Germans: "Clear enough. We're good."
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Post #157 by shredz » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:44 pm

AD wrote:Where do you get this stuff shredz


Those were floating around the bowels of Twitter (mostly in Arabic and Farsi) - A lot of other stuff I find using a bunch of open source methods. You wouldn't believe how stupid jihadis are on Facebook and Twitter (mostly FB now, but 2014 was popping)I use to be a huge hit on Twitter until I hit that old adage, "dont do something youre good at for free" so I've moved to the more discreet arena of data and intel.

I swear to God it got to the point on Twitter where the Turkish Ambassador to Iraq was sliding in my DM's asking if I knew what happened to the kidnapped Turkish construction workers in Baghdad. Think about that for a second. Fucking me.

I've given coordinates for air strikes on ISIS in Sirte, Libya, to CENTCOM, interviewed the anti-ISIS coalition spox Col. Warren. I don't give a shit if nobody believes me.

I gave Joyce Karam a picture of ISIS in Palmyra no one else had. It was only up on Twitter from the Jihadist account for about 30 seconds then it was taken down but I grabbed it, checked out to see if it was already online and it wasn't. Turns out they used it their next magazine. The accounts with large followers know not to be to public but in Arabic, guys with small accounts are actual jihadis in Iraq and Syria and are easy to track down.
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Post #158 by shredz » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:49 pm

PredsFan77 wrote:Luluz



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Post #160 by shredz » Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:29 am

Saud al-Qahtani, who was dismissed as senior adviser to Saudi royal court last week, hurled insults at Khashoggi via Skype, Reuters reports
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Post #161 by shredz » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:48 am

this is sickening



the one guard is staring at the one who looks really pissed off with his hand on his gun.
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Post #162 by shredz » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:58 am

Canada is prepared to freeze a big arms deal with Saudi Arabia if it concludes the weapons have been misused, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Monday, amid increasing pressure to punish Riyadh for the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, Reuters reports.

Trudeau’s comments signalled Ottawa might halt a 2014 contract that the Canadian unit of US weapons maker General Dynamics Corp won to supply light-armoured vehicles. The deal is worth up to $13 billion.

“We strongly demand and expect that Canadian exports are used in a way that fully respects human rights,” Trudeau said in Parliament. “We have frozen export permits before when we had concerns about their potential misuse and we will not hesitate to do so again.”

The opposition left-leaning New Democrats, who will be competing for the same voters as Trudeau in 2019 elections say Canada should not be arming the Saudis when they are attacking civilian targets in Yemen.

Trudeau condemned the death of Khashoggi and said Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland had been talking to allies to discuss the next steps.


On Monday, Trudeau convened a special meeting of government ministers and officials to discuss the matter, his office said in a statement.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday called the killing a “monstrosity” and vowed to halt German arms exports to Saudi Arabia until the case is cleared up.

Freeland said on Saturday that the kingdom’s explanations on the death of Khashoggi at its consulate in Istanbul lacked credibility.

“There are very important questions about the entire relationship with Saudi Arabia that need to be asked,” she told reporters on Monday.

Asked why Ottawa would go ahead with the arms deal given recent events, Freeland replied: “That is a very good question” but declined to be more specific.

Relations between Canada and Riyadh have been tense since a diplomatic dispute over human rights earlier this year.


https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181 ... necessary/

Hate to do this fellas but, its really no different than what Merkel said, perhaps worse. Prepared to freeze and the weapons have been misused already. He knows better than that.
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Post #165 by shredz » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:24 am

It was revealing that Erdoğan stressed his belief that King Salman was sincere and cooperating with the inquiry, but made no such reference to Bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s de facto leader.

Indeed the speech, read carefully, is a charge sheet being prepared to be laid at the feet of Bin Salman. “Intelligence and security institutions have evidence showing the murder was planned … Pinning such a case on a handful of security and intelligence members will not satisfy us or the international community,” Erdoğan said. “From the person who gave the order, to the person who carried it out, they must all be brought to account.”

The aim appears to be to persuade the king that the only way to save Saudi Arabia’s reputation is either by dislodging Bin Salman or at a minimum reining in his powers.

In many eyes he has proved himself to be erratic and autocratic, reluctant to solve problems in Yemen, Qatar and Lebanon that he helped to make more intractable.

It was notable that the UK foreign secretary, Jeremy Hunt, responded to Erdoğan’s speech by highlighting the Turkish president’s assertion that the killing was premeditated. During a Commons statement, Hunt also stressed that autocracies were less stable, hinting at the kind of political reform the UK would like to emerge from this episode.

Nothing in domestic politics is holding Britain back from pressing this course. The Saudis’ closest friends on Conservative benches, such as Sir Nicholas Soames, deserted Bin Salman, saying the instructions for this terrible crime must have come from the top, an assumption many make but cannot yet prove. The chair of the Commons foreign affairs select committee, Tom Tugendhat, complained that Saudi Arabia had turned from a “consultative monarchy to a unipolar autocracy under the crown prince”.

Although some EU countries are pushing for a ban on arms export sales, the UK government and the White House – the two biggest exporters – appear determined to resist, preferring to press political reform inside the kingdom and EU sanctions against individuals. In the end it is likely to be Erdoğan, and the evidence his police investigators unearth, that will most determine Bin Salman’s fate. Tuesday’s speech may prove to be only the opening salvo.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ps-for-now


I wouldn't put it past MbS slipping his father some untraceable poison.
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Post #166 by shredz » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:14 pm

"women"

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New Six Flags ride - "the slicer"
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'the haunted consulate'
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Post #170 by shredz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:25 am

Sawdi Arabia. :bleedred:
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Post #171 by shredz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:27 am

PredsFan77 wrote:'the haunted consulate'


This is probably the first body we know of that was in there.

Think about low profile dissidents no one gives a shit about.
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Post #172 by shredz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 10:43 am

Dog wrote:AD also focuses on women and youth.

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With not an actual woman to be seen, as well?

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Saleh has left the Kingdom after previously being on a travel ban. Probably a smart move if he stays away from their consulates.

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Post #174 by shredz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:29 am

Some more Qatari funded thoughts

Will the US and UK seek a palace coup against Mohammed bin Salman?
https://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/w ... -932532708

As Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) comes under increasing pressure over the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, policymakers in Washington and London have one overriding priority: to preserve the House of Saud, a military and economic ally in which they have invested so much. Yet, if Mohammed bin Salman cannot be retained, the UK and US will likely work to ensure some face-saving transfer of power to one of his relatives.

It has already been reported that members of the ruling family have begun discussing the possibility of replacing the crown prince. But there is also a little-known precedent for a Western role in the removal of a Saudi leader.

Promoting a palace coup

Declassified British files show that Britain previously covertly supported a palace coup in Saudi Arabia involving Mohammed bin Salman’s forebears in the House of Saud. The coup occurred as long ago as 1964, but has eerie echoes to the present. It helped then Crown Prince Faisal oust his older brother King Saud, who had ruled since 1953 and was backed by the British to preserve the House of Saud.

Faisal, like bin Salman now, had by the late 1950s become the real force in Saudi Arabia and was running the government. But in December 1963, King Saud attempted to reassert his power by deploying troops and guns outside his palace in Riyadh. A tense standoff with forces loyal to Faisal continued into 1964, when Saud demanded that Faisal dismiss two of his ministers and replace them with the king’s sons.

Britain backed the 1964 palace coup for a particular reason: it viewed King Saud as incompetent and opposed to introducing the political reforms necessary to keep the House of Saud from being overthrown

However, crucial support for Faisal was provided by the National Guard, the then 20,000-strong body responsible for protecting the royal family. The commander of the National Guard at the time was Prince Abdullah, who would later become king until his death in 2015, when he was succeeded by his half-brother, King Salman - the father of Mohammed bin Salman.

Who was the force then behind the Saudi Arabian National Guard? Then, as now, it was Britain, which had a military mission in the country following a Saudi request in 1963. The declassified files show that two British advisers to the National Guard, Brigadier Kenneth Timbrell and Colonel Nigel Bromage, drew up plans on Abdullah’s express wish for the “protection of Faisal”, “defence of the regime”, “occupation of certain points” and “denial of the radio station to all but those supported by the National Guard”.

These British plans ensured Faisal’s personal protection, with the aim of ensuring that full power would be transferred to him, which duly occurred when Saud was forced to abdicate.

Preserving the House of Saud

Britain backed the 1964 palace coup for a particular reason: It viewed King Saud as incompetent and opposed to introducing the political reforms necessary to keep the House of Saud from being overthrown. Frank Brenchley, the charge d’affaires in the British embassy in Jeddah, wrote that “the sands of time have steadily been running out for the Saudi regime”, the major factor then being the nationalist revolution in neighbouring Yemen and the intervention of Egyptian troops there, which challenged Saudi authority in Arabia.

Brenchley noted that, in contrast to Saud, "Faisal knows that he must bring about reforms quickly if the regime is to survive. Hampered everywhere by a lack of trained administrators, he is struggling to speed evolution in order to avert revolution".

British training of the Saudi Arabian National Guard (SANG), including arms exports to it, was greatly expanded after 1964. Today, Britain has dozens of military personnel advising the SANG and a major project helping it with “communications”. The SANG’s role remains overwhelmingly focused on promoting "internal security" - that is, preserving the House of Saud.

The US has an even bigger training and “modernisation” programme for the SANG - worth $4bn - and is now more likely to play a similar role to that of Britain in 1964.

Echoes in Yemen

What also has echoes from the past is that in the mid-1960s, Britain was conniving with the Saudis in a war in Yemen that was as brutal as the present one. A popular coup in September 1962 by republican forces deposed the imam, Muhammad al-Badr, who had been in power for a week after the death of his father, a feudal autocrat who had ruled since 1948. The imam’s forces took to the hills and declared an insurgency, while Britain and Saudi Arabia soon began a covert war to support them that lasted throughout the 1960s.

The British establishment's fear was that the popular republican government in Yemen, backed by Nasser’s Egypt, would threaten the House of Saud and spread to the other British-controlled feudal sheikhdoms in Arabia. By the time the war fizzled out in 1969, the death toll might have been up to 200,000. Then, as now, human lives were seen as insignificant to London and Riyadh when compared with high policy.

The British-backed palace coup in 1964 also reinforced the role of Wahhabist ideology in the country. In March 1964, the Saudi religious leadership (the ulema) issued a fatwa sanctioning the transfer of power to Faisal as being based on sharia law; two days later, King Saud abdicated.

Reflecting on the coup, then British Ambassador Colin Crowe noted that “what may also be serious in the long-term” about the transfer of power to Faisal, “is the bringing of the ulema into the picture, and they may exact a price for their support”. His comments proved prescient as the alliance between Wahhabism and the House of Saud would go on to promote extremism, involving the backing of terrorist forces, in various places around the world.

The friend and ally

The British government has condemned Khashoggi’s killing and supports an investigation. But it is still referring to Riyadh as a “friend and ally” and emphasising its “important strategic partnership” involving the military and trade. But how likely is it that a Saudi leader with blood on his hands can really keep up the pretence to the Western public that things are improving in the region?

London and Washington will need a revolution in their thinking to become part of the solution rather than remaining part of the problem

London and Washington may end up preferring a repeat of 1964: to put another "Saudi" in power. Yet, much better for Saudis and the world would be something altogether different, as recently argued by Madawi Al-Rasheed: allowing people the experience of participating in government and decision-making, including freedom of speech, in a gradual transformation of Saudi Arabia into a democratic system.

In this, London and Washington will need a revolution in their thinking to become part of the solution rather than remaining part of the problem.
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Post #175 by shredz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:35 am

Saud was viewed by the British as incompetent and opposed to introducing the political reforms necessary to keep the House of Saud from being overthrown. Frank Brenchley, the charge d’affaires in the British embassy in Jeddah, had written that ‘the sands of time have steadily been running out for the Saudi regime’, the major factor being the nationalist revolution in neighbouring Yemen and the intervention of Egyptian troops there, which challenged Saudi authority in Arabia. Brenchley noted that, in contrast to Saud, ‘Faisal knows that he must bring about reforms quickly if the regime is to survive. Hampered everywhere by a lack of trained administrators, he is struggling to speed evolution in order to avert revolution’.


Could be said today.
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Post #176 by shredz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:56 pm

Taliban is on a rampage to push NATO out (with Russian support.) Its shit like this that escalates the war but has no strategic value in the long run. Just death and plenty of it.

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Post #177 by shredz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:27 pm

Israel PM warns of plot to topple him

Jerusalem (AFP) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has accused the Jewish state's president and a former minister of conspiring to have him toppled, triggering charges of "paranoia" ahead of elections.

"I know that a former Likud minister has been holding discussions with the coalition and concocted a subversive plot, with me winning a large victory at the next elections and him making sure I am not prime minister," he told a gathering of his right-wing Likud party on Wednesday night celebrating his 69th birthday.

Under the scheme, President Reuven Rivlin would use his prerogative as head of state to name an alternative Likud candidate to head a post-election government.

Although Netanyahu did not explicitly name him, Gideon Saar, a former minister and leading rival within Likud, on Thursday publicly denied any such manoeuvre, while Rivlin mocked it as "paranoia" on the premier's part.

Israel's next legislative elections are scheduled for November 2019 but early polls could be held in case of a crisis within Netanyahu's ruling Likud-led coalition.

"If Netanyahu decided against moving up the elections it's not because President Rivlin or former Likud minister Saar is out to get him, but rather to avoid coinciding with an indictment that might lose him the elections," Haaretz newspaper commented.

Netanyahu, who maintains his innocence in several corruption cases, is not obliged to step down as prime minister even if he is formally charged.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-pm-wa ... 31536.html


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Saudi Spy Met With Team Trump About Taking Down Iran
Mueller’s investigators examined a series of meetings between an Israeli social media strategist, the general blamed for Jamal Khashoggi’s murder, and Trump adviser Michael Flynn.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/saudi-spy ... -down-iran

Gen. Ahmed Al-Assiri, the Saudi intelligence chief taking the fall for the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, hobnobbed in New York with Michael Flynn and other members of the transition team shortly before Trump’s inauguration. The topic of their discussion: regime change in Iran.

Mohammed bin Salman, the powerful Saudi crown prince, dispatched Assiri from Riyadh for the meetings, which took place over the course of two days in early January 2017, according to communications reviewed by The Daily Beast. The January meetings have come under scrutiny by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office as part of his probe into foreign governments’ attempts to gain influence in the Trump campaign and in the White House, an individual familiar with the investigation told The Daily Beast. A spokesperson for Mueller declined to comment.

The New York meetings were attended and brokered by George Nader, a Lebanese-American with close ties to leaders in the United Arab Emirates who is currently cooperating with Mueller’s team. Also present at the meetings was Israeli social media strategist Joel Zamel, who has been questioned by Mueller for his role in pitching top campaign officials on an influence operation to help Trump win the election—overtures that could have broken federal election laws.

Steve Bannon was involved as well in conversations on Iran regime change during those two days in January, according to the communications.

The communications show that participants in the meetings discussed a multi-pronged strategy for eroding, and eventually ending, the current Iranian regime—including economic, information, and military tactics for weakening the Tehran government. Earlier this year the New York Times reported Nader was promoting a plan to carry out economic sabotage against Iran and pitched the plan in the Spring of 2017 to Saudi, UAE, and American officials. It’s unclear if that plan ever moved forward or if it was part of the larger project for regime change discussed in these January 2017 meetings.
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Because no Jew would buy it?
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Post #181 by shredz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:36 pm

I said so few :trump:
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it looks like some kind of sling. perhaps a symbol of the modern day David v. Goliath
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Post #183 by shredz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:13 pm

GET TO THE BUNKER PREOD

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Post #189 by shredz » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:03 pm

Turkey is such a beautiful place, geographically and nature in general. Also some very cool hotels on the shore and buildings like this in Istanbul.

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Post #190 by shredz » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:31 pm

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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iranian officials say President Hassan Rouhani’s mobile phone was tapped, without providing details on who was behind it or what information they might have gleaned.

The semi-official ISNA news agency on Monday quoted Gen. Gholam Reza Jalali, the head of a military unit charged with combatting sabotage, as saying Rouhani’s phone was tapped “recently” and would be replaced with a more secure device. He did not provide further details.

Iran moved to boost its cyber capabilities in 2011 after the Stuxnet computer virus destroyed thousands of centrifuges involved in its contested nuclear program. Stuxnet is widely believed to be an American and Israeli creation.

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Iranian infrastructure and strategic networks have come under attack in the last few days by a computer virus similar to Stuxnet but “more violent, more advanced and more sophisticated,” and Israeli officials are refusing to discuss what role, if any, they may have had in the operation, an Israeli TV report said Wednesday.

The report came hours after Israel said its Mossad intelligence agency had thwarted an Iranian murder plot in Denmark, and two days after Iran acknowledged that President Hassan Rouhani’s mobile phone had been bugged. It also follows a string of Israeli intelligence coups against Iran, including the extraction from Tehran in January by the Mossad of the contents of a vast archive documenting Iran’s nuclear weapons program, and the detailing by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the UN in September of other alleged Iranian nuclear and missile assets inside Iran, in Syria and in Lebanon.

“Remember Stuxnet, the virus that penetrated the computers of the Iranian nuclear industry?” the report on Israel’s Hadashot news asked. Iran “has admitted in the past few days that it is again facing a similar attack, from a more violent, more advanced and more sophisticated virus than before, that has hit infrastructure and strategic networks.”


The TV report noted that “behind the scenes lately, the Mossad,” under its director Yossi Cohen, has been “fighting a real shadow war.”


On Sunday, Gholamreza Jalali, the head of Iran’s civil defense agency, said Tehran had neutralized a new version of Stuxnet, Reuters reported. “Recently we discovered a new generation of Stuxnet which consisted of several parts … and was trying to enter our systems,” Jalali said.


Tehran strategic networks attacked, Hadashot TV says, hours after Israel revealed it tipped off Denmark about Iran murder plot, and days after Rouhani’s phone was found bugged
https://www.timesofisrael.com/tv-report ... n-stuxnet/
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Saudi crown prince described slain journalist as a dangerous Islamist in call with White House
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Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman described slain journalist Jamal Khashoggi as a dangerous Islamist days after his disappearance in a phone call with President Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and national security adviser John Bolton, according to people familiar with the discussion.

In the call, which occurred before the kingdom publicly acknowledged killing Khashoggi, the crown prince urged Kushner and Bolton to preserve the U.S.-Saudi alliance and said the journalist was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, a group long opposed by Bolton and other senior Trump officials.

The attempt to criticize Khashoggi in private stands in contrast to the Saudi government’s later public statements decrying the journalist’s death as a “terrible mistake” and a “terrible tragedy.”

“The incident that happened is very painful, for all Saudis,” the crown prince, the kingdom’s de facto leader, said during a panel discussion last week. “The incident is not justifiable.”


The Saudi ambassador to the United States, Khalid bin Salman, described Khashoggi last month as a “friend” who dedicated “a great portion of his life to serve his country.”

In a statement released to The Washington Post, Khashoggi’s family called the characterization of the columnist as dangerous Islamist inaccurate.

“Jamal Khashoggi was not a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. He denied such claims repeatedly over the past several years,” the family said. “Jamal Khashoggi was not a dangerous person in any way possible. To claim otherwise would be ridiculous.”

A person familiar with the discussion said Bolton did not signal he endorsed the crown prince’s characterization of Khashoggi during the call.

A Saudi official on Wednesday denied that the crown prince made the allegations, saying “routine calls do exist from time to time” with the young leader and top U.S. officials, but “no such commentary was conveyed.”

Saudi Arabia has faced international condemnation for its shifting accounts of Khashoggi’s Oct. 2 disappearance at the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul. The kingdom initially said Khashoggi walked out of the consulate unharmed, then announced that Saudi agents killed him in an accidental fistfight and more recently said it had evidence that his killing was “premeditated.”

Analysts said the crown prince’s efforts to discredit Khashoggi in private suggested a two-faced attempt at damage control. “This is character assassination added to premeditated murder,” said Bruce Riedel, a former CIA official and scholar at the Brookings Institution.

The White House declined to discuss sensitive conversations with the Saudis or to say how many phone calls the crown prince and Kushner have had since Khashoggi’s disappearance. The two men have had multiple discussions, according to people familiar with the matter.


Officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive topic.



Other Middle East leaders have also come to the crown prince’s defense. In recent days, Egyptian President Abdel Fatah al-Sissi and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu have reached out to senior officials in the Trump administration to express support for the crown prince, arguing that he is an important strategic partner in the region, said people familiar with the calls.

Israel, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have united behind the Trump administration’s efforts to bring pressure on Iran and force through a Middle East peace deal between Israelis and Palestinians.

Other U.S. allies, notably Germany, Britain and France, have expressed serious concern about the killing of man who wrote articles critical of the Saudi leadership in The Washington Post.


In response to the killing, the Trump administration has revoked the visas or made travel ineligible for 21 Saudi nationals implicated by Turkey and Saudi Arabia in Khashoggi’s death.

As U.S. officials contemplate a more robust response, Kushner has emphasized the importance of the U.S.-Saudi alliance in the region, said people familiar with the conversations. Other officials at the State Department and Pentagon, however, have said the options under consideration could include a clear discipline of the Saudi government, an end to Saudi-led blockade of Qatar and a winding down of the war in Yemen. Officials cautioned that no decision has been made, and Trump has expressed little desire to significantly alter U.S.-Saudi-relations, but there is an interest in a full vetting of the potential options.

Kushner’s efforts to carefully cultivate a relationship with the heir to the Saudi throne makes him a critical voice in deciding the Trump administration’s response. After several private talks early in the administration, Kushner championed Mohammed bin Salman as a reformer poised to usher the ultraconservative, oil-rich monarchy into modernity. Kushner privately argued for months last year that Mohammed would be key to crafting a Middle East peace plan, and that, with the prince’s blessing, much of the Arab world would follow.


It was Kushner who pushed his father-in-law to make his first foreign trip to Riyadh, against the objections of Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and warnings from Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. In the early days of the administration, Kushner often preferred to talk to the crown prince privately, but now coordinates his conversations with the National Security Council.

Kushner visited the crown prince at his palace in a secret October 2017 trip, a plan so closely held that it caught some White House and intelligence officials by surprise. The two 30-somethings stayed up late into the evening alone discussing the prospects of Kushner’s Middle East peace plan. A few days later, the prince ordered the house arrest of dozens of rival royals and imprisonment of other enemies in a bid to solidify his control of the government. The White House and the Saudis have denied that Kushner approved the power grab.

Saudi officials had made no secret of their antipathy toward Khashoggi, including expressing consternation last year when he began writing a regular column for The Washington Post. In the days after his Oct. 2 disappearance — before the Saudis acknowledged his death in Istanbul — a person close to the royal palace said Mohammed was puzzled by the high level of concern about Khashoggi, whom he considered part of the Muslim Brotherhood as well as an agent of Qatar.


Khashoggi's family said Jamal's views were much more nuanced than those described by Saudi officials. “Although he sympathized with certain objectives of the Muslim Brotherhood, he also sharply disagreed with many of their positions, especially toward Saudi Arabia,” the family said in its statement.

Saudi Arabia severed relations with Qatar last year, charging among other things that it harbored Muslim Brotherhood “terrorists.” Although the Saudis maintained a cordial relationship with the Brotherhood for decades after its founding in Egypt as an Islamist political and social movement, Riyadh declared it a terrorist organization after the upheavals of the Arab Spring.

Many Republican lawmakers, and Middle East analysts on the right, agreed with the Saudi assessment — in 2015, now-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, then a member of the House, co-sponsored a resolution calling on the State Department to designate the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist organization. During Trump’s campaign, a number of prominent supporters — including Bolton called for such a designation.

Sissi, whose military government overthrew an elected Muslim Brotherhood-allied government in 2011, and Israel’s political right share that view.

Trump considered such an action early in his administration, but was dissuaded by Pompeo, who had become CIA director, and others in the administration. They noted that while the designation would please some Arab partners, others in the region would reject it. The Brotherhood has mainstream political stature and legitimacy in Jordan, Turkey and Morocco, among other countries.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a rival of the Saudi crown prince, has called for Saudi Arabia to be held accountable for the killing. Erdogan called Trump on Thursday morning, according to people familiar with the conversation.
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Post #193 by shredz » Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:30 pm

A Twitter bint of mine. She's a complete air head. I think sending her to the UN is supposed to be a joke on Trumps part.

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Post #195 by shredz » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:44 pm

She's a sweetheart don't get me wrong but I remember speaking to her congratulating her on moving to State Department and she didn't seem as happy as one would think.

She's not a very good liar either, something you need to have if you want to be big in Trumpland, although I have noticed a bit more darker, serious tone from her. Like a robot.

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Post #197 by shredz » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:59 am

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Looks more like a ploy to keep Iranian oil and gas out of Europe. Murka wants a strategic stranglehold, a wedge of either Iran or US and we all know what the banks will choose.
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Post #198 by shredz » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:07 pm

Started from The Ottoman now we here.

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Apparently leaders of four major countries offered to mediate Iran-US talks but obviously went nowhere.
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Post #200 by shredz » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:43 am

Comes on the heel of the first Oman-Israel meeting in Muscat.

The Defense Secretary was in Oman observing the final days of Operation Saif Sarea 3 – the exercise which saw 5,500 British troops training alongside almost 70,000 Omani soldiers. British tanks, fighter jets and war ships were all transported to the gulf for the five-week training exercise, designed to simulate an invasion.

Britain announces new military base in Oman
https://www.thenational.ae/world/gcc/br ... n-1.788284

Who would try invading Oman? I think these guys are becoming more paranoid about MBS and UAE bloc then Iran. The Kuwaiti's are worried about an invasion so perhaps Oman is too.

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