Where does Sidney Crosby rank amongst the NHL greats?

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Where does he rank?

He is not in the top 5
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Top 5-10
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50%
Top 10-15
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Top 15-20
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Top 20-30
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25%
Top 30-40
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Top 40-50
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Worst player in the history of our once proud sport
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Sidney Crabsby plays ice hockey for the Pittsburgh Birdmen
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He alright
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8%
 
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Post #51 by Boring Choice #2 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:29 am

mcphee wrote: You never hear Rogie Vachon in the conversations. 2 cups, played on some really good LA teams, that never went anywhere. I haven't looked at numbers but I think he has to be in whatever tier, Belfour,Cujo, Tony O are in.


i forgot to put vachon in. i used to have a list / old post that explained it better, but i am sure it was lost when the site was blown up and i'm too lazy to actually sit and think through my arguments again beyond what i just did. i'm going to miss out on some goalies who deserve to be put with other players.

at the end of the day, i don't think it's worth it to rank players/goalies. it's better to just put players on similar levels with players of a similar skill level and/or generation.

are gretz and lemieux better than orr and howe? who the fuck knows? it depends on what criteria you weigh more and the situation they were put in.

crosby was by far the best player of his generation. ovechkin is a great goalscorer and the obvious number 2, but crosby is the type of player that makes you question whether he belongs with the all time greats of the game. ovechkin is like bobby hull and mike bossy. you have no doubt that they were talented super superstars, but they were still human. they played the game. they weren't the game.

rocket richard
bobby orr
wayne gretzky
mario lemieux
sidney crosby

and for a short period of time, i might even consider eric lindros and maybe ray bourque/guy lafleur, but probably no.
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Post #52 by Boring Choice #2 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:33 am

those are the players i'd put up as the face of the game.
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Post #53 by mcphee » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:09 am

Boring Choice #2 wrote:
mcphee wrote: You never hear Rogie Vachon in the conversations. 2 cups, played on some really good LA teams, that never went anywhere. I haven't looked at numbers but I think he has to be in whatever tier, Belfour,Cujo, Tony O are in.


i forgot to put vachon in. i used to have a list / old post that explained it better, but i am sure it was lost when the site was blown up and i'm too lazy to actually sit and think through my arguments again beyond what i just did. i'm going to miss out on some goalies who deserve to be put with other players.

at the end of the day, i don't think it's worth it to rank players/goalies. it's better to just put players on similar levels with players of a similar skill level and/or generation.

are gretz and lemieux better than orr and howe? who the fuck knows? it depends on what criteria you weigh more and the situation they were put in.

crosby was by far the best player of his generation. ovechkin is a great goalscorer and the obvious number 2, but crosby is the type of player that makes you question whether he belongs with the all time greats of the game. ovechkin is like bobby hull and mike bossy. you have no doubt that they were talented super superstars, but they were still human. they played the game. they weren't the game.

rocket richard
bobby orr
wayne gretzky
mario lemieux
sidney crosby

and for a short period of time, i might even consider eric lindros and maybe ray bourque/guy lafleur, but probably no.

I think that if you're a sports junky, understanding the game and the players from previous generations is part of it. As a kid, I read everything I could find about the players I hadn't seen, and when someone wanted to talk about Doug Harvey or Terry Sawchuck, I'd listen. The conversation is fun, if an old codger could explain why Doug Harvey was the greatest, and it wasn't just 'well in my day' talk, I'd happily join in .

I don't see how you can love the game without knowing how it got where it is now. Kind of like calling Bruno Mars the best R&B act of all time. Believe what you like but listen to James Brown or Wilson Pickett and understand how it got there.
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Post #54 by AD » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:47 pm

I'm Jimmy Fallon aren't I.

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Post #55 by Germz » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:06 pm

Also Booze, you don't think Nick Lidstrom is a top-5 D all time?

7 Norris trophies, 4 Cups in the 26+ team era, 10-time first team all-star, Triple Gold club ...

He should at least be in the conversation for #2 behind Orr.
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Post #56 by AD » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:09 pm

Orr
Harvey
Robinson
Lidstrom-Bourque-etc.
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Post #57 by Boring Choice #2 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:18 pm

A. Boom Boom Al Thawaher wrote:I'm Jimmy Fallon aren't I.

:why:


nah. you predate mp/lovitz. you're more like jim belushi / billy crystal.
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Post #58 by AD » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:22 pm

WOOOOO!!!!!!!
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Post #59 by Boring Choice #2 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:23 pm

i said jim, not john.
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Post #60 by AD » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:23 pm

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Post #61 by mcphee » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:51 pm

Germz wrote:Also Booze, you don't think Nick Lidstrom is a top-5 D all time?

7 Norris trophies, 4 Cups in the 26+ team era, 10-time first team all-star, Triple Gold club ...

He should at least be in the conversation for #2 behind Orr.

My old man used to speak of how Harvey would control the game, dictate the pace of the play. Lidstrom is the best I've ever seen at this. Pronger had some of that in his game, so did Serge Savard, but Lidstrom was a master.
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Post #62 by The Bytown Boozer » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:52 pm

Germz wrote:Also Booze, you don't think Nick Lidstrom is a top-5 D all time?

7 Norris trophies, 4 Cups in the 26+ team era, 10-time first team all-star, Triple Gold club ...

He should at least be in the conversation for #2 behind Orr.


Honestly, I just plain forgot about old Nik. Yeah he's probably in that convo, but I'd slot him at 3 or 4.
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Post #63 by The Bytown Boozer » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:46 am

Glaring omissions:

Nicklas Lidstrom (best defenceman for about a decade)
Aurel Joliat (the face of his generation)
Stan Mikita (played for 1000 years and consistently put up points)
Peter Forsberg (the greatest Swede)
Eric Lindros (dominated the sport for a few years)
Jonathan Toews (dominated the sport a few years ago)
Phil Esposito (sure,why not)
Jonathan Quick (brilliant playoff goaltending performances)
Cy Denneny (Ottawa's best player during those early NHL years)
Drew Doughty (until very recently the best defenceman in the league)
Bryan Trottier (deadly playoff performances)
Tim Thomas (brilliant playoff goaltending performances)
Patrick Kane (one of the most entertaining players of all time)
Denis Savard (one of the most entertaining players of all time)
Zdeno Chara (dominated Bryan McCabe that one time)
Joe Nieuwendyk (won 3 Stanley Cups in a 20+ team NHL on 3 separate teams)
Milt Schmidt (oral accounts continue to this day)
Newsy Lalonde (on the name alone, really)
Syl Apps (probably the greatest Maple Leaf of all time)
Charlie Conacher (probably the greatest Maple Leaf of all time)
King Clancy (probably the greatest Maple Leaf Ottawa Senator of all time)
Ted Lindsay (if you're into that type of thing)
Tony Esposito (I guess)
Claude Lemieux (I've never seen anybody turn their game up so much for the postseason)
Henri Richard (345 Stanley Cups)
Red Kelly (342 Stanley Cups)
Cyclone Taylor (the first real superstar)
Sergei Federov (Best player in EA Sports' seminal NHL '96)
Teemu Selanne ( :smuglanne: )
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Post #64 by Germz » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:32 am

Among recent players, Pronger and Keith are every bit as great as Chara, and Patrice Bergeron is arguably greater than Toews.

Pat Kane is a truly special player. If only he weren't so loathesome.
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Post #65 by edgar_dong » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:33 am

A favourite memory of Lidstrom comes from the '08 or '09 finals when he made a single stride at the goal line and sling shot around the net at 42.4 km/h. Eugene could not keep pace. Image
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Post #66 by AD » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:47 am

Germz wrote:Among recent players, Pronger and Keith are every bit as great as Chara, and Patrice Bergeron is arguably greater than Toews.

Pat Kane is a truly special player. If only he weren't so loathesome.


And they rank a good bit behind Crosby and Ovechkin and possibly Malkin.
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Post #67 by Germz » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:51 am

Oh shit, Malkin.

Also Pavel Bure is missing. The single most thrilling player I have ever watched.

Clearly the Boozer is prejudiced against Russians.
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Post #68 by Craig » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:41 pm

Pronger was every bit as good as Malkin is. Better than Chara.
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Post #69 by vonbonds » Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:04 pm

Germz wrote:Also Booze, you don't think Nick Lidstrom is a top-5 D all time?

7 Norris trophies, 4 Cups in the 26+ team era, 10-time first team all-star, Triple Gold club ...

He should at least be in the conversation for #2 behind Orr.

A little late to this conversation but Lidstrom is the best defenseman I've ever seen in my lifetime. I'm too young to have watched Orr. Lidstrom controlled games and was unflappable..for my money better than Bourque by more than a small margin.
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Post #70 by Malking » Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:23 am

#1 for ball tapping Ryan O'Reilly.
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Post #71 by MP » Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:05 pm

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Post #72 by mayoradamwest » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:03 am

Tsn says crosby is ready to move on from maiming methot.
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Post #73 by AD » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:33 am

It was a hard past week on the guy. Please be more understanding you selfish pricks.
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Post #74 by The Bytown Boozer » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:24 am

The moral of this thread is that there's like so many good players.

20 years from now, Sid Crosby is not in that top 5 pantheon... I don't think. He's been the best player in the league for many a year now, but the domination over his NHL opponents still isn't there and it never has been. Sid is well surrounded, but Mike Bossy at least had the 4 Cups in a row in a more or less 20-team NHL.

My conclusion: Sid is mildly overrated & Glenn Hall should have been ranked higher in my goalie list.

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