mcphee wrote: You never hear Rogie Vachon in the conversations. 2 cups, played on some really good LA teams, that never went anywhere. I haven't looked at numbers but I think he has to be in whatever tier, Belfour,Cujo, Tony O are in.
i forgot to put vachon in. i used to have a list / old post that explained it better, but i am sure it was lost when the site was blown up and i'm too lazy to actually sit and think through my arguments again beyond what i just did. i'm going to miss out on some goalies who deserve to be put with other players.
at the end of the day, i don't think it's worth it to rank players/goalies. it's better to just put players on similar levels with players of a similar skill level and/or generation.
are gretz and lemieux better than orr and howe? who the fuck knows? it depends on what criteria you weigh more and the situation they were put in.
crosby was by far the best player of his generation. ovechkin is a great goalscorer and the obvious number 2, but crosby is the type of player that makes you question whether he belongs with the all time greats of the game. ovechkin is like bobby hull and mike bossy. you have no doubt that they were talented super superstars, but they were still human. they played the game. they weren't the game.
and for a short period of time, i might even consider eric lindros and maybe ray bourque/guy lafleur, but probably no.