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Post #251 by PEli » Sat May 10, 2014 12:33 pm

I'm halfway through A Clash of Kings right now and I'm just curious about whether or not there's a plan for when the show catches up to the books. No doubt that has been asked before but I don't want to read through the thread and spoil the story for myself. Just PM me an answer. If you don't know, some pictures of teapots would be great.
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Post #252 by RTWAP » Sat May 10, 2014 11:16 pm

PEli wrote:I'm halfway through A Clash of Kings right now and I'm just curious about whether or not there's a plan for when the show catches up to the books. No doubt that has been asked before but I don't want to read through the thread and spoil the story for myself. Just PM me an answer. If you don't know, some pictures of teapots would be great.


The TV show is currently doing the second half of the third book. The two books after that are expected to take 3 more seasons, by which time the 6th book should be out (2 more seasons) and then the final book (probably 1-2 more seasons). My guess is about 7 years before all 7 books are out, and 7 more seasons of TV after this one.
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Post #253 by AD » Sun May 11, 2014 6:26 pm

RTWAP wrote:The TV show is currently doing the second half of the third book. The two books after that are expected to take 3 more seasons, by which time the 6th book should be out (2 more seasons) and then the final book (probably 1-2 more seasons). My guess is about 7 years before all 7 books are out, and 7 more seasons of TV after this one.


In interviews the producer estimated 8-9 (in all) considering the estimated lenghts of the future books.
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Post #254 by PPJ » Sun May 11, 2014 10:00 pm

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Post #255 by RTWAP » Sun May 11, 2014 11:56 pm

AD wrote:In interviews the producer estimated 8-9 (in all) considering the estimated lenghts of the future books.


That would tend to imply that the writer is getting wordier as he gets more successful, and that the ratio of book pages to season will grow. I can certainly see that happening. Heck, I stopped reading after the 4th book because I wasn't enjoying them as much.
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Post #256 by NyQuil » Mon May 12, 2014 12:03 am

RTWAP wrote:That would tend to imply that the writer is getting wordier as he gets more successful, and that the ratio of book pages to season will grow. I can certainly see that happening. Heck, I stopped reading after the 4th book because I wasn't enjoying them as much.


Actually, they've gone on record as saying 80 hours (80 episodes or 8 seasons of 10 episodes).

Given that it's taken 4 seasons for the first 3 books, that leaves 4 seasons for the last 4 books which is in accordance with the original plan of 7 books.

Having read books 4 and 5, I don't think there's enough content to justify splitting either of them into two seasons of TV.

Book 3 has by far the most interesting content in the series.
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Post #257 by jester » Mon May 12, 2014 9:22 am

RTWAP wrote:That would tend to imply that the writer is getting wordier as he gets more successful, and that the ratio of book pages to season will grow. I can certainly see that happening. Heck, I stopped reading after the 4th book because I wasn't enjoying them as much.


5th was better than the 4th, so might be worth a look if you want a beach read. Still a long way from the quality of the 3rd.

NyQuil wrote:Actually, they've gone on record as saying 80 hours (80 episodes or 8 seasons of 10 episodes).

Given that it's taken 4 seasons for the first 3 books, that leaves 4 seasons for the last 4 books which is in accordance with the original plan of 7 books.

Having read books 4 and 5, I don't think there's enough content to justify splitting either of them into two seasons of TV.

Book 3 has by far the most interesting content in the series.


Agreed, but they are going to have to interweave the two books given that they take place concurrently.
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Post #258 by NyQuil » Mon May 12, 2014 10:01 am

jester wrote:Agreed, but they are going to have to interweave the two books given that they take place concurrently.


The execution will probably end up better than the arbitrary division of activity in the books.
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Post #259 by Craig » Mon May 12, 2014 12:28 pm

Psycho Papa Joe wrote:Please tell me that kid dies a horrible, painful death.


Don't hold your breath.
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Post #260 by jester » Mon May 12, 2014 1:11 pm

NyQuil wrote:The execution will probably end up better than the arbitrary division of activity in the books.


Eh, I think it was less "arbitrary" than simply symptomatic of his loss of control over the story ... given the POV chapter style, it was a pretty decent compromise to avoid having the book end in the middle of everything. The real problem was not so much the division, but the ridiculous gap between publication of the two books. If those books came out closely spaced, I think he catches way less grief for their content (independent of gripes about his writing pace).
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Post #261 by NyQuil » Mon May 12, 2014 1:16 pm

jester wrote:Eh, I think it was less "arbitrary" than simply symptomatic of his loss of control over the story ... given the POV chapter style, it was a pretty decent compromise to avoid having the book end in the middle of everything. The real problem was not so much the division, but the ridiculous gap between publication of the two books. If those books came out closely spaced, I think he catches way less grief for their content (independent of gripes about his writing pace).


Well, the end result was a complete separation of the plotlines across the Narrow Sea, when the advantage of the first 3 books is that if any particular storyline was dry, you knew that another that was hitting its stride was just around the corner.

In Book 4 or 5, you just had to plod ahead.
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Post #262 by jester » Mon May 12, 2014 1:21 pm

NyQuil wrote:Well, the end result was a complete separation of the plotlines across the Narrow Sea, when the advantage of the first 3 books is that if any particular storyline was dry, you knew that another that was hitting its stride was just around the corner.

In Book 4 or 5, you just had to plod ahead.


Oh, absolutely ... but, again, symptomatic of a writer that lost control of his plot, IMO. Same thing happened with the Wheel of Time books after about Book 5 and everything was so spread out that Jordan had to blow thousands of pages just to get his characters into the same ballpark. I will say, I thought Book 5 was decent ... 4 was bad, though.
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Post #263 by NyQuil » Mon May 12, 2014 1:30 pm

jester wrote:Same thing happened with the Wheel of Time books after about Book 5 and everything was so spread out that Jordan had to blow thousands of pages just to get his characters into the same ballpark.


Lord of Chaos was certainly the high-water mark for that series. I think Brandon Sanderson saved the series in the end.

jester wrote:I will say, I thought Book 5 was decent ... 4 was bad, though.


Urgh. Quentyn Martell can suck it.

I agree that 4 is probably worse than 5 though.
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Post #264 by jester » Mon May 12, 2014 2:06 pm

I thought Sanderson did a commendable job mimicking Jordan's style and closing it out ... I did dislike the final book, just because I'm not sure I needed 800 pages or whatever of a single battle. I get that you want it to be a monumental fight, just found that a bit boring. That, however, was not Sanderson's fault. Believe Jordan had written a lot of that text prior to his death in at least draft form.
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Post #265 by NyQuil » Mon May 12, 2014 2:33 pm

jester wrote:I thought Sanderson did a commendable job mimicking Jordan's style and closing it out ... I did dislike the final book, just because I'm not sure I needed 800 pages or whatever of a single battle. I get that you want it to be a monumental fight, just found that a bit boring. That, however, was not Sanderson's fault. Believe Jordan had written a lot of that text prior to his death in at least draft form.


Yeah, there were a lot of characters to throw into the fray, and a hell of a lot of Demandred demanding (see what I did there?) to see Rand al'Thor.

Still, it ended as well as I could have imagined, really.
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Post #266 by Westy » Tue May 13, 2014 5:05 pm

RTWAP wrote:The TV show is currently doing the second half of the third book. The two books after that are expected to take 3 more seasons, by which time the 6th book should be out (2 more seasons) and then the final book (probably 1-2 more seasons). My guess is about 7 years before all 7 books are out, and 7 more seasons of TV after this one.


Right now Sansa's storyline is from the fourth book and Bran's stuff is from the latest book, but they seem to be throwing in a lot of filler in there with him that didn't happen in the book. The show is really catching up with the series. Ideally, Martin releases the next book before the next season airs.














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[spoiler]I could see a drop in viewers next season once Tyrion is shipped out of Kings Landing and brought into Essos. Show watchers are now finally understanding that Dany isn't coming to Westeros anytime soon.[/spoiler]
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Post #267 by jester » Tue May 13, 2014 5:14 pm

Westy wrote:Right now Sansa's storyline is from the fourth book and Bran's stuff is from the latest book, but they seem to be throwing in a lot of filler in there with him that didn't happen in the book. The show is really catching up with the series. Ideally, Martin releases the next book before the next season airs.


I think a lot of these changes are setups to address the poor pacing of books 4-5 compared to books 1-3, and the necessary changes (hopefully improvements?) that they are going to make. Bran was/is a huge problem for the show in that sense, because they don't want to lose him ... but much like the problem they had in adapting LotR and Frodo, he sort of disappears there for awhile and/or is really fucking boring. They didn't want the audience to forget about him.

Just good to keep that in mind ... because if they've written a certain dude on an Elk out of this show, I'm going to be mildly irritated to say the least.
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Post #269 by mayoradamwest » Fri May 16, 2014 9:49 am

jester wrote:Just good to keep that in mind ... because if they've written a certain dude on an Elk out of this show, I'm going to be mildly irritated to say the least.


like your father during christmas time, he's not just going to show up.
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Post #270 by jester » Fri May 16, 2014 10:24 am

mayoradamwest wrote:like your father during christmas time, he's not just going to show up.


I suspect as much for this season (Craster's was an ideal re-write appearance) ... but it isn't out of the realm of possibility he shows up next season. Bran's storyline has undergone major changes, and even for book readers the end result of elk rider is up in the air as of now. It would be a shame to lose a cool character, though. There's some (decent) speculations as to why he may not show up this season:

1) They're concerned about spoilers (though, the Night's King stuff makes this seem unlikely) ... we don't need to address why this might be a spoiler.

2) Budget. May very well be a character that is tough to pull off without pumping too much (for now) CGI funds into it.

3) Not actually important to the overall plot, so a cut has been made. (Note: this would be disappointing as a reader.)
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Post #271 by mayoradamwest » Fri May 16, 2014 12:32 pm

it's not happening little Timmy. :gary:
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Post #272 by mayoradamwest » Mon May 19, 2014 10:37 pm

That was an enjoyable death.
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Post #273 by PPJ » Mon May 19, 2014 11:09 pm

mayoradamwest wrote:That was an enjoyable death.


Too bad her kid wasn't sucking on her nipple at that moment.
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Post #274 by edgar_dong » Tue May 20, 2014 5:24 pm

Aidan Gillén is doing a marvelous job of mailing in this role.
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Post #275 by Westy » Tue May 20, 2014 11:33 pm

So many feels.

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Post #276 by rbochan » Wed May 21, 2014 8:05 am

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Post #277 by RTWAP » Wed May 21, 2014 6:47 pm

Westy wrote:So many feels.

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Yup.

Great acting, writing, ... great everything in that scene.

They did an awesome job casting Oberyn. I'd never seen him before this year on Mentalist but he's very very good.
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Post #278 by vf » Wed May 21, 2014 7:38 pm

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Post #279 by edgar_dong » Tue May 27, 2014 1:32 am

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vf wrote:Everytime I see her I'm always amazed how this isn't the same person.


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Post #280 by LeafErikson » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:11 pm

Well now, how will Tyrien find his way out of this mess?
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Post #282 by WTF » Mon Jun 02, 2014 2:31 am

LeafErikson wrote:Well now, how will Tyrien find his way out of this mess?


[SPOILER]
He gets by with a little help from his friend (Spider-Man).

Shae gets all choked up. Tywin takes it like a shot to the groin and shits himself.
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Post #283 by edgar_dong » Mon Jun 02, 2014 4:13 am

Well I won't be re-watching that one, eh fellas?
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Post #284 by NyQuil » Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:08 am

brownman wrote:Well I won't be re-watching that one, eh fellas?


That's why they call him the Dead Viper.
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Post #285 by jester » Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:13 am

LeafErikson wrote:Well now, how will Tyrien find his way out of this mess?


Baelish's pep talk was fantastic.
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Post #286 by Transplanted Caper » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:52 am

Knowing Oberyn was going to get killed was made doubly worse knowing the show was going to lose Pedro Pascal.

For a scene not in the book, the Arya/Hound scene outside the Vale was awesome and fit with how that storyline has gone all season. Somewhat curious to see what they do with that storyline the rest of the season.
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Post #287 by SidorkiewiczsPeter » Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:57 am

Yeah that actor was awesome, he was my favorite character I think. I had a feeling he was going to lose though.
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Post #288 by jester » Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:14 pm

Transplanted Caper wrote:Knowing Oberyn was going to get killed was made doubly worse knowing the show was going to lose Pedro Pascal.

For a scene not in the book, the Arya/Hound scene outside the Vale was awesome and fit with how that storyline has gone all season. Somewhat curious to see what they do with that storyline the rest of the season.


I suspect Arya is getting plot offloaded from "this" season to next.

SidorkiewiczsPeter wrote:Yeah that actor was awesome, he was my favorite character I think. I had a feeling he was going to lose though.


I was curious if they were on the verge of a major plot arc change there.
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Post #289 by Dr_Chimera » Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:31 pm

Have caught up with GoT during the May break. This show is winning me over this season. It is still trash, but I'm okay with that as long as it's not too formulaic.

I still strongly dislike the dragon lady storyline, this actress being particularly atrocious. Everything else got considerably better. The Dinklage storyline is excellent.

A compliment on the writing: subtlety is not a strength here, but they skewer expectations by placing protagonists in genuine peril. No character is truly safe, perhaps even the midget, so the whole experience feels like a resounding fuck you to traditions of melodrama.

Malcolm McDowell needs to be added to the cast eventually.
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Post #291 by PPJ » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:55 am

Fuck, now that was a fucking episode. Too bad Oberon had to bite the dust to make it great. The guy did a great job. Hopefully he has a twin bro, so the actor can return to the series. He was great.

Quite possibly the best episode I've seen in this series to date. Loved just about all of it, even the dragon lady stuff.
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Post #294 by LeafErikson » Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:47 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:Have caught up with GoT during the May break. This show is winning me over this season. It is still trash, but I'm okay with that as long as it's not too formulaic.

I still strongly dislike the dragon lady storyline, this actress being particularly atrocious. Everything else got considerably better. The Dinklage storyline is excellent.

A compliment on the writing: subtlety is not a strength here, but they skewer expectations by placing protagonists in genuine peril. No character is truly safe, perhaps even the midget, so the whole experience feels like a resounding fuck you to traditions of melodrama.

Malcolm McDowell needs to be added to the cast eventually.


Just because he's in everything already?
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Post #295 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:54 am

LeafErikson wrote:Just because he's in everything already?


He was Caligula.
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Post #296 by NyQuil » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:52 am

Dr_Chimera wrote:He was Caligula.


He was also Admiral Tolwyn.

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Post #297 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:24 pm

embracedbias wrote:Where is the modern adaptation of Caligula, btw? VON TRIER SHOULD DO IT


Good idea.
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Post #298 by NyQuil » Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:30 pm

I would much rather watch an in-depth documentary about how a modern-day adaptation of Caligula wasn't made.

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