TV series: Grade Them 2

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Post #1901 by Dog » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:40 pm

French films from the 30s and 50s and a Danish film from the 80s? Guess that proves the point if you have to reach like that.
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Post #1902 by Dog » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:42 pm

I actually don't know that kids in leading roles makes for bad movies. I just thought the storyline from Stranger Things 1 was lame as fuck.
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Post #1903 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:02 pm

Dog wrote:French films from the 30s and 50s and a Danish film from the 80s? Guess that proves the point if you have to reach like that.


Maybe take a break from tv dogshit and watch some of these. Even dilettantes know about them. There are actually very many films with child protagonists, not to mention many literary works about children that are great. In fact, what makes them good is the child's point of view which is more imaginative than that of adults.

I say this as someone who has no horse in the Stranger Things race. This show can be dismissed for so many reasons, and the presence of children as protagonists is not one of them.
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Post #1904 by Dog » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:14 pm

As I said, I never thought that kids ruin movies. Never thought of it one way or another. I am however enjoying your over the top reaction to Big D replying to your Spielberg post. "Kitschy pop pieces? Well, I never. 1930s french films and the such. You imbeciles"

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Post #1905 by Boring Choice #2 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:26 pm

There is a reason that the expression "Children should be seen and not heard" exists.
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Post #1906 by Dog » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:33 pm

Boring Choice #2 wrote:There is a reason that the expression "Children should be seen and not heard" exists.


Keeps the nosy neighbors away.

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Post #1907 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:13 pm

What is a kitschy pop piece, BigD? You will define this term for all the folks here? Also curious about what "serious projects" means and some more insight in that direction.
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Post #1908 by Dog » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:23 pm

Watched a few more episodes of stranger things 2 tonight. I actually find the kids storylines to be the more enjoyable part of the show. It’s the upside down nonesense that’s lame.
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Post #1909 by vonbonds » Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:11 am

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Post #1910 by Boring Choice #2 » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:39 am

Dr_Chimera wrote:What is a kitschy pop piece, BigD? You will define this term for all the folks here? Also curious about what "serious projects" means and some more insight in that direction.


Friendly aliens coming to earth to enjoy the Reece's Pieces and pirates with sexual puns for names having resided in a quaint northeastern American town, but not having been found in centuries are things that come to mind as films that probably should not be taken seriously by the viewing public, especially when the actors in them couldn't really act.
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Post #1911 by Boring Choice #2 » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:44 am

Also, just for future discussion:
noun:
art, objects, or design considered to be in poor taste because of excessive garishness or sentimentality, but sometimes appreciated in an ironic or knowing way.
"the lava lamp is an example of sixties kitsch"

adjective:
considered to be in poor taste but appreciated in an ironic or knowing way.
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Post #1912 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:58 pm

Boring Choice #2 wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:What is a kitschy pop piece, BigD? You will define this term for all the folks here? Also curious about what "serious projects" means and some more insight in that direction.


Friendly aliens coming to earth to enjoy the Reece's Pieces and pirates with sexual puns for names having resided in a quaint northeastern American town, but not having been found in centuries are things that come to mind as films that probably should not be taken seriously by the viewing public, especially when the actors in them couldn't really act.


If you were to rank these two, would it go something like this?

1. Serious projects
2. Kitschy pop pieces
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Post #1913 by Dog » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:23 pm

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Post #1914 by Dr_Chimera » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:15 am

What is it like to be bored by both irony and sincerity?
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Post #1915 by AD » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:23 am

You may have just figured out the dog, Doc.

You want to excite him, mention how this very conversation was always meant to be as it is the inevitable conclusion of a series of completely random events in matter (at a sub particle level).
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Post #1916 by Dog » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:16 am

AD wrote:You want to excite him, mention how this very conversation was always meant to be as it is the inevitable conclusion of a series of completely random events in matter (at a sub particle level).


Well, it’s either random or determined by prior cause and effect or it's a mixture of both. What I rule out is outside-of-physics « magic ». Personally, I think that the distribution of values in probability waves (the fundamental nature of particles) becomes skewed by interractions with other particles (changing the distribution of probabilities in all interracting particles) giving it a form of « stickiness » at the macro level and predictability according to what we perceive as « cause and effect »

The Tl;rd version: Matter (and radiation) is wholly probabilistic at the quantum level. To say that something exists, at a fixed time and place, is to say that a particular probability wave function « collapsed » upon interraction. This is not a mathematical abstraction, it is the « real world » decription of physical states. Probabililty becomes « fixed » upon interraction with other matter and energy (which also is probability when not interracting). The probablistic nature of particles shouldn’t be up for discussion, quantum physics is the most successful branch of physics ever in it predictive power. What’s missing is unifying it with gravity which requires a smooth structure to the universe as opposed to the quantimized (small distinct bits) nature of the quantum theory description of the universe (the most promising attempt to unify is superstring theory but there are others to my understanding).

Now, while matter may be wholly probabilistic in nature, at the macro level there is « stickiness » that lends it to be sufficiently adequately described by Neutonian « cause and effect » physics. The distribution of probabilities in the wave gets skewed by interractions so that some outcomes become more more likely than others. You get a certain level (albeit never absolute) of predictability. At the quantum level, what I think happens is that interraction makes transition into some energy states more likely than other (such as what happens in entropy -the wholly random movements of particles drive it at a macro level towards ever greater dissipation of energy from higher state to lower state until equilibrium, not because it knows where the fuck it’s going but BECAUSE that outcome becomes more likely.)
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Post #1917 by Dog » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:27 am

Translating that to views of human « free will » or « agency », it becomes to me apparent that it is completely wishful thinking to believe that human decision making (the very essence of free will) is somehow driven by rules outside the rules that govern everthing else in the universe.

Think about it, EVERYTHING in the universe is driven by physical rules that are devoid of agency, indeed of any known agent. But, oh no, not human decision making. Human decision making is not governed by the the rules that govern everthing in the universe. Humans have a soul/mind/consciousness (whatever you want to call it) that is a free agent! I mean, never mind that humans are made of the same stuff as the rest of the universe and react the same way as everything else does in the universe. We still cling to the belief that we are appart from it, can act according to our own volition. Whatever that means. Even atheists cling to this notion of the self-governed « self » that decides this and that and acts as a free agent in the universe.

No, AD, that is very unlikely. What is likely is that we are just like everything else. Governed by the same rules as everything. Including our brains and activity of our neurons. Our neurons act solely according to the same physical rules that also govern nuclear fussion in stars, soil erosion, the behaviour of rats, etc. We automata, man.
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Post #1918 by Dog » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:31 am

And yes, if we tie it back to this thread, what you have in the last page of so is Dr C’s relatively predictable fragile ego that manifests itself by being relatively insufferable in his interractions with others. Which, again, is too bad. He’s a smart, knowledgeable guy. Would be great to just, like, discuss stuff. You know?
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Post #1919 by Dog » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:36 am

AD wrote:You want to excite him, mention how this very conversation was always meant to be as it is the inevitable conclusion of a series of completely random events in matter (at a sub particle level).


Goddammit, you have « me » pegged.

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Post #1920 by AD » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:44 am

"I".
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Post #1921 by Dog » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:59 am

AD wrote:"I".


Well, the collection of interracting particles temporarily held together by molecular bounds that constitutes « me » does, for reasons of cataloging the world, recognize the collection of interracting particles temporarily held together by molecular bounds that constitutes « you », as a « you ».

I have to remember to write that into a Hallmark card.
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Post #1922 by vonbonds » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:22 am

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Post #1923 by Dog » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:27 am

It was inevitable, bonbonds. From the moment Spielberg got brought up. Which itself was inevitable.

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Post #1924 by Dog » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:37 pm

Hey, thinking of the mindhunter season finale over my pho soup, I think they made Holden’s narcissism and anti-social behaviour explode not just to drum up interesting for a season 2, but also because he was « triggered ». It’s in line with what they said before about sociopaths. Can lead normal lives until triggered and one of the major triggers (they call it stressors) is a break-up and he had just gone through a break-up. Cute. Can’t believe I had missed that. Still reserve judgement, they can easily overplay that in a season two and have it become devoid of interest. I think the writers have the skill to write a compeling character development piece (highlighting the different degrees that sociopathy and other similarly « emphathy lacking » character traits can be around us). I think the question is whether Netflix allows them to tell this story in a compelling and nuanced manner, without having to go too much into more traditional cop show genres (which Netflix presumably would want to draw larger audience).
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Post #1925 by AD » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:34 pm

Did you like Hannibal, dog?
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Post #1926 by Dog » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:54 pm

AD wrote:Did you like Hannibal, dog?


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Post #1927 by Dog » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:56 pm

Hannibal (the whole silence of the lamps series) was a kitchy pop piece.

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Post #1928 by AD » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:06 pm

It was way more character development than Mindhunter. Not that character development, in and of itself, means it's not kitchy.

But at least it was entertaining for fucks sake.
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Post #1929 by Dog » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:08 pm

Figured you would like it.

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Post #1930 by Dog » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:10 pm

Hannibal has character development like a bull in a China shop, for christ’s sake. And as realistic as actually having a bull in a china shop.
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Post #1931 by Dog » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:10 pm

Not that I actually remember specifics from Hannibal. Still.

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Post #1932 by senate » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:26 pm

Judging by the first half season, Star Trek Discovery's sole legacy will be showing Klingon nudity.
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Post #1933 by vonbonds » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:04 pm

How many titties do they have?
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Post #1934 by senate » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:20 pm

Let's just say it's no Total Recall.
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Post #1936 by Germz » Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:41 pm

I've finished the first 9 eps of ST Discovery and while I have oh-so-many thoughts and feelings, I will simply say that I think the concept is workable, the characters have a lot of promise, the execution has a lot of problems, the first season of a new Trek series is always mediocre at best, and the show's greatest sin is its representation of the Klingons. Not because they are scary and mean - they should be - but because they are utterly charmless.

Visually the show is also nice to look at.

I will keep watching.

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