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Post #1851 by WTF » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:02 pm

I think the premise of Discovery is kind of interesting but the tone of it reminds me more of BSG than Star Trek. DS9 aside, most Trek series focused on exploration as a key theme rather than military action.

IMO, it looks like the Klingon actors are struggling a bit to emote and read their lines but that could be due to a lack of practice with Klingon. That and it's asking a lot more of them than previous series, where they could often handwave it away with the universal translator and just have actors in Klingon makeup speak their lines menacingly in English.
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Post #1852 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:45 pm

WTF wrote:I think the premise of Discovery is kind of interesting but the tone of it reminds me more of BSG than Star Trek. DS9 aside, most Trek series focused on exploration as a key theme rather than military action.


The utopia of TOS and TNG was also mostly leftist. It saw a future in which systemic hierarchy and militarism of organizations were either not necessary or less emphasized. There were generally outgoing, friendly vibes around everyone on the crew. Conflicts were solved through dialogue and non-aggression. And the story structure itself would splinter its point of view among a large cast of characters rather than guide us through the eyes of a single individual protagonist, which is consistent with those values if one thinks about it.

Discovery confuses me because it is such a polar opposite of what came before and I can't tell to what end. Either this is done in ignorance of past shows, or this is done to convey Starfleet's gradual transformation into what it later became.

Finally, I find the "strike first" mentality of the protagonist a bit concerning, particularly in light of world events. Star Trek was always an allegorical show, and it is hard not to take the same cues from this. At first it seemed the show condemned such militancy but now it seems to affirm it because both the protagonist and the captain are ideologically militant. Every motive is driven by the cynicism of characters, which makes it difficult to like them and to elicit any sort of empathy. Unless of course one appreciates their ideologies.

Old Trek show had many problems of course. I think they tacitly approved of a kind of well-intentioned, paternal imperialism. They depicted many cultures, like the klingons, as savage and animalistic. But at a time where we could use a better and more nunaced understanding of the other, STD has decided to magnify many of these worst tendencies and do away with the best parts of Trek. Again, maybe there will be some kind of surprise in store - a philosophical revelation - but I don't think I will make it that far. The world is full of odious militants as it is, and I don't need another show to remind me of it and to celebrate their ways.
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Post #1853 by clawfirst » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:10 pm

When this whole thing was shooting we all knew a certain type of trekkies wouldnt like it. Its not going to be UN in space. The klingon appearance will be explained ...some that resemble worf will also exist....


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Post #1854 by WTF » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:50 pm

I'm willing to give it a shot.

Even by the mid-to-late 24th century (Picard's era), it's not like all Starfleet captains are doves. I'm thinking of guys like Captain Maxwell from "The Wounded" (the first TNG episode I can think of that really focused on O'Brien), the guy who simply couldn't let go after going to war with the Cardassians.

Oh, and Maxwell wasn't exactly wrong either; his methods weren't the wisest but the Cardassians were indeed up to some shit.
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Post #1855 by senate » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:32 pm

clawfirst wrote:The klingon appearance will be explained ...some that resemble worf will also exist....


Will why Klingons struggle to speak their own language be explained or is that just the result of cheap actors in heavy makeup?
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Post #1856 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:56 pm

Oh I forgot my least favorite past of the recent episode: the Elon Musk namedrop. Gene Roddenberry spins in his grave.
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Post #1857 by clawfirst » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:20 pm

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clawfirst wrote:The klingon appearance will be explained ...some that resemble worf will also exist....


Will why Klingons struggle to speak their own language be explained or is that just the result of cheap actors in heavy makeup?

No. That just is what it is. A lot of money spent to force a pretend language.
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Post #1858 by WTF » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:01 am

Dr_Chimera wrote:Oh I forgot my least favorite past of the recent episode: the Elon Musk namedrop. Gene Roddenberry spins in his grave.


Part of that namedrop didn't make much sense to me. The timeline of the Trek universe is rather different than ours.

For one thing, we never experienced the Eugenics Wars in the early 90's in our timeline (resulting in the deaths of millions) nor did Khan and the Augments rule over us. Assuming Elon Musk even lived in the Star Trek timeline, the world he lived in would have been rather different than ours.
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Post #1859 by Dr_Chimera » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:05 am

That and Elon Musk fucking sucks.
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Post #1860 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:08 am

Doctor Foster - season 1 was good, but they ran out of ideas in season 2 and made the story too implausible and ridiculous

Liar - not bad... good production, terrific actors, last two eps a little predictable. Not for men's rights activists.
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Post #1861 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:09 am

Anyone watching Mindhunter? I'm thinking of giving it a go, but don't want to waste my time if it's morbid gross-out shlock.
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Post #1862 by Boring Choice #2 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:17 am

Dr_Chimera wrote:Anyone watching Mindhunter? I'm thinking of giving it a go, but don't want to waste my time if it's morbid gross-out shlock.

Watched the first episode a couple days ago. It seemed more character development than storyline, which may bode well for it. It wasn't gory. It also appears to follow the Netflix script of gratuitous nudity in the first episode to attract viewers.

If it continues to develop, it will be a solid show. But it is too early for me to tell. It is essentially early episodes Criminal Minds at this point.
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Post #1863 by vonbonds » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:07 am

Mindhunter - 4.5 out of 5 through 4 episodes
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Post #1864 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:50 am

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Post #1865 by Boring Choice #2 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:11 am

vonbonds wrote:Mindhunter - 4.5 out of 5 through 4 episodes


watched episode 2 last night. it's like a smarter and funnier criminal minds thus far. also, i only watched the first few seasons of criminal minds before it became repetitive bullshit and gave up on it, and this rates favourably compared to those better years.
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Post #1866 by Dog » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:15 pm

I'm not a fan of crime / detective series. Please post accordingly. Thanks.
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Post #1867 by Boring Choice #2 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:21 pm

It's not really a crime / detective series in that there is a lack of the mystery element that is key to those series. This is really more of a character-based story* where the main characters happen to work in the field. I don't see the crimes as being central to the storyline.


*In the two episodes that I have seen.
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Post #1868 by vonbonds » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:50 pm

The show through 4 episodes is simply chronicling the ideology and development of psychological profiling of sequence serial killers by the FBI with help from an academic in psychology. It had to start somewhere and they're telling that story.
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Post #1869 by Boring Choice #2 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:11 pm

Also boobies.
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Post #1870 by Dog » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:58 pm

Yous guys vouch for this show? Ok, i'm going to try it, but this is on your heads.
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Post #1871 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:06 pm

Sigh. I'll watch it, but I'll be mad when gross shit happens while I'm eating a casserole.
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Post #1872 by clawfirst » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:13 pm

Oh the irony
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Post #1873 by Dog » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:20 pm

Y a tu dis qu'il allait manger une casserole?
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Post #1874 by AD » Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:10 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:Sigh. I'll watch it, but I'll be mad when gross shit happens while I'm eating a casserole.


I've watched 30 minutes so far.

Interesting but gross shit happens fast.

















Like. He gets cooties after k-i-s-s-i-n-g a girl.
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Post #1875 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:47 pm

I think I'll just watch leave it to beaver reruns.
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Post #1876 by Dog » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:15 pm

He blew his head straight off, tabarnac, Dr C! Tu vas vomir ta casserole.
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Post #1877 by Dog » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:17 pm

Not sure this "psychology" of serial killers (yawn) will grab me, but I'm 15:41 in and still watching!
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Post #1878 by Dog » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:18 pm

Probably because I haven't seen the boobies yet.

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Post #1879 by Dog » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:04 pm

Episode 1 was ok, will watch more. They are walking a thin line and risk falling too much into a cliché of Neanderthals try to learn some basic psychology but if they avoid going too much into the easy this can have some potential.
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Post #1880 by vonbonds » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:01 am

Dog wrote:He blew his head straight off, tabarnac, Dr C! Tu vas vomir ta casserole.

I asked my wife as if she’s an authority on such things if that’s how it happens with a shotgun. She gave me a look of disgust, stood up then asked me if I wanted another beer.

Keep going, you’ll get into it more.
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Post #1881 by Dog » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:24 am

vonbonds wrote:
Dog wrote:He blew his head straight off, tabarnac, Dr C! Tu vas vomir ta casserole.

I asked my wife as if she’s an authority on such things if that’s how it happens with a shotgun. She gave me a look of disgust, stood up then asked me if I wanted another beer.

Keep going, you’ll get into it more.


watched 2 episodes, the second got better. think it quite promising now. there's some good writing in there. you can tell they are trying to please both the "i've never thought of crime beyond the most simplistic of terms" audience and a slightly more sophisticated audience. they've shown enough for you to tell that the writers know their stuff, will largely depend on whether they can successfully walk the line between their target audiences.
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Post #1882 by vonbonds » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:43 am

Dog wrote:
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Dog wrote:He blew his head straight off, tabarnac, Dr C! Tu vas vomir ta casserole.

I asked my wife as if she’s an authority on such things if that’s how it happens with a shotgun. She gave me a look of disgust, stood up then asked me if I wanted another beer.

Keep going, you’ll get into it more.


watched 2 episodes, the second got better. think it quite promising now. there's some good writing in there. you can tell they are trying to please both the "i've never thought of crime beyond the most simplistic of terms" audience and a slightly more sophisticated audience. they've shown enough for you to tell that the writers very likely know their stuff, will largely depend on whether they can successfully walk the line between their target audiences.

Plus BOOBIES!!
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Post #1883 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:33 pm

Fuck this golden age of tv bullshit - I'm watching True Lies.
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Post #1885 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:37 am

Mindhunter = dud.
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Post #1886 by vonbonds » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:17 am

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Post #1887 by AD » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:12 am

Yeah I'm not impressed.
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Post #1888 by Dog » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:57 am

Episode 4 was the high water mark for mindhunter. Overall, I’d give it a 7/10. Last episode was promising. One of the neat things about the series (well, the neatest thing) is its below the radar hinting that sociopathy is a more common trait in society than meets the eye. They hint at it being prominent amongst business executives and politicians and there is an unexplored link with autism for which they’ve set some pieces and haven’t explored yet. Holden has been portrayed as a bit of a borderline case and in the last episode they pushed the character towards more blatant narcisism and emtional detachment. You could see it build up for a number of episodes and it kinda "exploded" in episode 10 to keep interest for season 2.

I’m a sucker for character development. Have little interest for the crime/detective genre. The series walks a line between the two (hence my 7/10). I find it has great potential in character development -particularly as a "study" of socipathology. I love the way it treats it under the radar (outside of the killers, obvs). It drops pieces here and there. Forgets about them. Then later expands and the links start coming more to the forefront. I dislike when it engages in 3+ episode of "find da killer" or when it goes into the too obvious (Holden’s budding narcissism in the last episode was too much in your face compared to the much more nuanced approach of prior episodes).

I think this series has great potential but remains hampered by trying to please two audience types. I think it should focus on what it does best (a character development piece) and stop trying to please those interested in a « cop show ».
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Post #1889 by Dog » Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:58 am

Also watched an episode of Stranger Things 2. Very similar to season 1. I'm not a fan of the series. It does the stylistic 80s sci-fi/horror thing really well and that is very cool. However it does nothing else. Story is lame as fuck. It's like renting a bad/B movie type show from the 80s. While that's stylistically cool (and top marks for that), it offers nothing else. 5/10.
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Post #1890 by Boring Choice #2 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:15 am

They could definitely do more with the show in terms of plot and character development. The concept of another /opposite world is interesting, if not over done. Part of the problem is that you can only do so much with kids. Their lack of skill and experience, with very few exceptions, is a hindrance on most serious projects.

The first season was good for what it was, but it looks like this season is going to be be a lot of tying up loose ends instead of moving in another direction /developing a new storyline. The first two minutes looked promising with new characters, but then they went back to the previous ones.

I will give it a chance, I guess. I have only watched the first episode of the second season.
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Post #1891 by Dog » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:26 am

Boring Choice #2 wrote:Part of the problem is that you can only do so much with kids. Their lack of skill and experience, with very few exceptions, is a hindrance on most serious projects.


Lets see how AD feels about that statement.

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Post #1892 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:45 pm

Boring Choice #2 wrote:Part of the problem is that you can only do so much with kids. Their lack of skill and experience, with very few exceptions, is a hindrance on most serious projects.


Yeah all of those Spielberg movies really suffered from this problem.
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Post #1893 by Boring Choice #2 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:28 pm

Other than maybe the original Poltergeist, I am not sure he has made a decent movie with kids as the main characters. Most of them were kitschy pop pieces.
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Post #1894 by Dog » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:38 pm

Boring Choice #2 wrote:Other than maybe the original Poltergeist, I am not sure he has made a decent movie with kids as the main characters. Most of them were kitschy pop pieces.


Someone is not giving due credit to Big.
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Post #1895 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:04 pm

Boring Choice #2 wrote:Other than maybe the original Poltergeist, I am not sure he has made a decent movie with kids as the main characters. Most of them were kitschy pop pieces.


LOL. Both of you have down syndrome.
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Post #1896 by Dog » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:58 pm

Excuse me, you’d need to add vonbonds to that. We come in threes.

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Post #1897 by vonbonds » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:09 pm

Yes, I’m stupid with the Downs
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Post #1898 by AD » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:27 pm

I, also, dislike filmed kids.
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Post #1899 by Craig » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:49 pm

Kids are the worst in TV and movies.
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Post #1900 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:55 pm

Yeah all of those awful movies with kids just suck. 400 Blows - dreck. Zero de conduite - bullshit. Pelle the conqueror - waste of time.

We need serious projects with serious adults like Mindhunter.

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