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Post #1 by Big Susf » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:16 pm

Well, we know who the first one to die will be.
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Post #2 by senate » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:18 pm

I don't know how anyone can be excited for this after the prequel trilogy and Abrams' Trek reboot.
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Post #3 by NyQuil » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:23 pm

I liked the Trek reboot.

:shrug:

Trek was getting so pompous - it was nice to have some fun again for a change.
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Post #4 by Germz » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:25 pm

senate wrote:I don't know how anyone can be excited for this after the prequel trilogy and Abrams' Trek reboot.


Lawrence Kasdan.
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Post #5 by NyQuil » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:26 pm

Shredder wrote:Well, we know who the first one to die will be.


Sean Bean?
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Post #6 by AD » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:30 pm

NyQuil wrote:I liked the Trek reboot.

:shrug:

Trek was getting so pompous - it was nice to have some fun again for a change.


Whats good about both Star Trek (in the 90s) and Star Wars (4-5-6) is the overarching spiritual arc. If you want an action movie, the Trek reboot is fine, but the story didn't transcend the movie. Same problem with the SW prequels.
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Post #7 by NyQuil » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:34 pm

AD wrote:Whats good about both Star Trek (in the 90s) and Star Wars (4-5-6) is the overarching spiritual arc. If you want an action movie, the Trek reboot is fine, but the story didn't transcend the movie. Same problem with the SW prequels.


What I liked about SW (4-6) was the funny banter, which didn't really exist in the SW prequels, but did exist in the new Trek.
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Post #8 by AD » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:35 pm

NyQuil wrote:What I liked about SW (4-6) was the funny banter, which didn't really exist in the SW prequels, but did exist in the new Trek.


You're a small small man. :colbert:
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Post #9 by NyQuil » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:36 pm

AD wrote:You're a small small man. :colbert:


Meh, people have built these franchises up into things they are not.

You take Han Solo out of the original trilogy and you have the prequels.
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Post #10 by Germz » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:43 pm

NyQuil wrote:You take Han Solo out of the original trilogy and you have the prequels.


Very true. Ford cuts through the self-importance like a knife through butter. He is far and away the best Star Wars character.

The first Trek reboot movie was fine (haven't seen the sequel yet) but nothing special. Basically it's an average sci-fi action movie with familiar character names and Nimoy. On the other hand, the last two TNG movies were shitty sci-fi action movies with familiar faces and names, but everyone acting out of character. So I take your point.

I prefer Star Trek to be more talk, less action. Not saying no action, but less action. The action needs to follow from a purpose. Not vice-versa.
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Post #11 by AD » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:44 pm

He cuts through the self importance, but he also highlights it. He becomes part of destiny despite himself and despite his non-belief in that very destiny. Its perfect.
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Post #12 by senate » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:46 pm

Germz wrote:Lawrence Kasdan.


Irvin Kershner :beaker:
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Post #13 by NyQuil » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:48 pm

Germz wrote:I prefer Star Trek to be more talk, less action. Not saying no action, but less action. The action needs to follow from a purpose. Not vice-versa.


I guess I find that the TV series offers a better medium to explore various themes from the perspective of traditional science-fiction.

I don't want to go to the movies and see a 90 minute episode.

Star Trek: Insurrection tried to do that and it pleased no one.

Then again, Nemesis was pretty much the same movie as the new Star Trek. Just didn't pull it off as well.

AD wrote:He cuts through the self importance, but he also highlights it. He becomes part of destiny despite himself and despite his non-belief in that very destiny. Its perfect.


Well, Harrison Ford wanted Solo to die in Empire.

I guess his destiny was to sell more toys after the 3rd movie.
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Post #14 by Germz » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:48 pm

senate wrote:Irvin Kershner :beaker:


He's dead, Jim.
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Post #15 by senate » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:50 pm

Germz wrote:The first Trek reboot movie was fine (haven't seen the sequel yet) but nothing special.


Just find a copy of Wrath of Khan and take a shit on it. That's the Cole Notes for Star Trek Into Darkness.
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Post #16 by NyQuil » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:51 pm

senate wrote:Just find a copy of Wrath of Khan and take a shit on it. That's the Cole Notes for Star Trek Into Darkness.


I thought the set up was well done (the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the movie or so).

The last 1/4 is terrible.
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Post #17 by Germz » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:51 pm

senate wrote:Just find a copy of Wrath of Khan and take a shit on it. That's the Cole Notes for Star Trek Into Darkness.


I thought that was the plot of Nemesis.

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Post #18 by senate » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:12 pm

NyQuil wrote:I thought the set up was well done (the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the movie or so).

The last 1/4 is terrible.


It started off as a better movie than the first reboot, but (to be vague so as not to spoil it for Germz) as soon as Sherlock's real identity was revealed it became a cinematic abortion. It took a lot of audacity from Abrams to remake the best Star Trek movie as a generic, nonsensical, sci-fi action movie.

And ripping off the death scene from Wrath of Khan permanently poisoned me against Abrams. I fully expect a scene in the new Star Wars movie when the bad guy reveals to the hero that the bad guy is the hero's son.

Also, fuck them from dragging lore from DS9 into it.
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Post #19 by NyQuil » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:24 pm

dempsey_k wrote:It'll be just shy of inoffensively mediocre, and will be an 8.7 on imdb.

Adam Driver and Attack the Block dude are going to be superstars because of this and we can be at least thankful for that.


I watched Attack the Block from beginning to end, and I guess I just didn't get it.

Good luck to the dude in this one though.

I do want to catch Inside Llewynn Davis.
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Post #20 by Craig » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:24 pm

NyQuil wrote:I watched Attack the Block from beginning to end, and I guess I just didn't get it.

Good luck to the dude in this one though.


There wasn't a whole lot to get, it was just campy fun.
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Post #21 by NyQuil » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:26 pm

Craig wrote:There wasn't a whole lot to get, it was just campy fun.


There was a lot of buzz around it.

Same goes for Brick. (by Rian Johnson)

Maybe my expectations were out of whack.

Dredd was a movie that was campy fun and I quite enjoyed, so I'm not completely sterile.
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Post #22 by Craig » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:28 pm

NyQuil wrote:There was a lot of buzz around it.

Same goes for Brick. (by Rian Johnson)

Maybe my expectations were out of whack.

Dredd was a movie that was campy fun and I quite enjoyed, so I'm not completely sterile.


Brick was a little different. It was very stylistic.
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Post #23 by NyQuil » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:29 pm

Craig wrote:Brick was a little different. It was very stylistic.


I think it just failed in execution.

The same goes for Looper IMO.

Ozymandias episode of BB is probably the best thing he's done.

As far as alien invasion movies go, I didn't mind Cloverfield.
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Post #24 by Craig » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:36 pm

NyQuil wrote:I think it just failed in execution.

The same goes for Looper IMO.

Ozymandias episode of BB is probably the best thing he's done.

As far as alien invasion movies go, I didn't mind Cloverfield.


I enjoyed both Brick and Looper. I have no issues with the execution of either.

dempsey_k wrote:Cloverfield was way underrated, and one of the few instances of justified found footage shaky cam.


Agreed. They did a good job managing scope and sticking to the handful of survivors running thing.
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Post #25 by NyQuil » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:41 pm

Craig wrote:I enjoyed both Brick and Looper. I have no issues with the execution of either.


I get the juxtaposition between the Noir style as applied to a high school setting, but I found it a bit jarring. Like in Harry Potter where adults are content to let kids run around doing everything.

With respect to Looper, I found that the air was let out of the movie once it settled on the farm location.
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Post #27 by Germz » Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:17 pm

The good thing about this is that I can plan my next viewing of the Trilogy for December 2015, in anticipation of the new film.

I need at least 5 years between viewings these days. I think my last viewing was 2008 or 2009.
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Post #28 by Germz » Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:20 pm

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Post #29 by SidorkiewiczsPeter » Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:31 pm

Bryan Burk is producing? The film is going to have tons of truculent scenes in it, can't wait.
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Post #31 by PredsFan77 » Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:27 pm

Glad Keenan is getting some work, you guys think he'll leave SNL at the end of the season?
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Post #32 by Dr_Chimera » Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:52 pm

Craig wrote:Brick was a little different. It was very stylistic.


It was basically a neo-noir.

NyQuil wrote:There was a lot of buzz around (Attack the Block).


A lot of British people (those who probably loved Harry Brown with My Cocaine) disliked the fact that London's inner city kids were represented positively.
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Post #34 by Big Susf » Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:58 pm

Darth Maul had some serious potential to me. I think they could have milked some more out of that character.
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Post #35 by Dr_Chimera » Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:59 pm

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Post #36 by Bernie Bernbaum » Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:29 pm

Shredder wrote:Well, we know who the first one to die will be.


Don't jinx it. Von Sydow's had a great run.
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Post #37 by PredsFan77 » Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:42 pm

so is this anything but a money grab for disney?
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Post #38 by Bernie Bernbaum » Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:47 pm

PredsFan77 wrote:so is this anything but a money grab for disney?


Sure, it's also a movie where dudes with magic powers fight with light-up swords.
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Post #39 by mayoradamwest » Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:58 pm

This is going to be good. :gary:
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Post #40 by NyQuil » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:11 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:A lot of British people (those who probably loved Harry Brown with My Cocaine) disliked the fact that London's inner city kids were represented positively.


Interesting.

Over here, it seemed more like a cult movie.
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Post #41 by NyQuil » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:18 pm

I'm totally ignorant of the social ills of Great Britain.

I know they had those massive riots, which is crazy.

But that's about it.
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Post #42 by PredsFan77 » Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:26 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Don't see how you of all people would have the nerve to question the artistic integrity of Walt Disney.


Do you know John Lennon? Lennon said, "I'm an artist. You give me a fucking tuba, I'll get you something out of it."
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Post #44 by LeafErikson » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:52 pm

Max von Sydow is the Chris Lee this movie needed. Hoping he plays a similar role.
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Post #45 by LeafErikson » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:55 pm

And what exactly can Peter Mayhew contribute to the movies? He can't walk, so he's not wearing a suit. Does he simply get credit bc he was the guy who originally wore it?
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Post #46 by RTWAP » Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:13 pm

NyQuil wrote:Meh, people have built these franchises up into things they are not.

You take Han Solo out of the original trilogy and you have the prequels.


I get what you're saying, but I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. Even without Solo, the movie was a good heroic coming-of-age story. What possessed them to start the second sequel with a 6 year-old is beyond me. There's just not that much character arc to be expected from a kid that young.

If they'd had Anakin be 14 then it would have made sense. Not a child, not an adult. Tension, too much pressure. Feelings of responsibility without power. That's a mix that you could bring to a boil, add in some encouraged feelings of resentment and the prequels would have been decent.

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