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Post #251 by 19nazzy » Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:15 pm

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Post #253 by mooseOAK » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:57 pm

Looks like pretty well any business in the world who wants to tie a promotion to the new Star Wars movie is getting emphatic cooperation. The movie must not be very good.
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Post #254 by IcE ColD » Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:14 pm

mooseOAK wrote:Looks like pretty well any business in the world who wants to tie a promotion to the new Star Wars movie is getting emphatic cooperation. The movie must not be very good.


This is starting to sound a lot like the prequels.

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Post #255 by 19nazzy » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:22 pm

Or Disney wants to make back their purchase of Lucasfilm on the first movie.
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Post #257 by IcE ColD » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:06 pm

Pretty sure Filton Fizzlewick is Macbeth
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Post #258 by PredsFan77 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:59 pm

Given what happen with the batman movie debut, I'd probably be kinda sketched out going to see the new movie tonight tonight.
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Post #259 by 19nazzy » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:21 am

It's a good movie, definitely better than the prequel movies. Not quite sure how I'd rank it yet vs. any of the O/T movies.
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Post #260 by edgar_dong » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:24 am

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Post #261 by LeafErikson » Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:55 am

19nazzy wrote:It's a good movie, definitely better than the prequel movies. Not quite sure how I'd rank it yet vs. any of the O/T movies.


I'd rank it 3rd. Empire is still the best, but it's better than ROTJ. And I'm hesitant to rank anything new ahead of ep IV, since that's what kicked everything off. Very good tho. They did a great job of capturing the feel of the originals, and the movie looked amazing. I have one small complaint about a piece of dialogue between two significant characters, but it's a small one. Best movie of the year along with Fury Road.
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Post #262 by 19nazzy » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:39 pm

edgar_dong wrote:Glad you're alive, SwedishIceHockeyLegendMarkNaslund19. : )

Thanks dong

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19nazzy wrote:It's a good movie, definitely better than the prequel movies. Not quite sure how I'd rank it yet vs. any of the O/T movies.


I'd rank it 3rd. Empire is still the best, but it's better than ROTJ. And I'm hesitant to rank anything new ahead of ep IV, since that's what kicked everything off. Very good tho. They did a great job of capturing the feel of the originals, and the movie looked amazing. I have one small complaint about a piece of dialogue between two significant characters, but it's a small one. Best movie of the year along with Fury Road.

I'm interested in hearing what that is. PM me if it's spoiler related.
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Post #263 by Germz » Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:07 pm

It's a good film. I want to see it again.

That said, I'm not sure how well it will hold up on re-viewing. The pacing is so fast that I got swept up in the action and didn''t notice the problems as much. I wonder if they will catch up with me next time. There were a few 'come on' moments. But Jedi is like that too. The rewatches will determine how it compares to Jedi.

The middle acts were overcooked. Too much too fast. Didn't like the monsters with the tentacles. Not crazy about the new big bad.

They did a great job recapturing the feel of the originals, something the prequels never did.

The question will be whether the new generation goes for it, or if it just appeases us old nerds. They did a phenomenal job with all of the new heroes (including the droid), so I suspect that the kids will go for it. But who knows.

The opening 30 minutes were really damn good. 10/10. The remainder of the film was more like 6/10.
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Post #264 by PredsFan77 » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:21 pm

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Post #265 by 19nazzy » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:56 pm

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Post #266 by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:44 am

Was fantastic. Maybe a bit too much of A New Hope to it, but damn. It was the story of the original trilogy with visuals of the prequels. It was just fun. It was what I wanted.

And, I called Daniel Craig's character in this

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Post #267 by Dr_Chimera » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:05 am

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Post #268 by 19nazzy » Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:20 pm

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Post #269 by PPJ » Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:43 pm

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Post #270 by Roughneck » Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:12 pm

Germz wrote:It's a good film. I want to see it again.

That said, I'm not sure how well it will hold up on re-viewing. The pacing is so fast that I got swept up in the action and didn''t notice the problems as much. I wonder if they will catch up with me next time. There were a few 'come on' moments. But Jedi is like that too. The rewatches will determine how it compares to Jedi.

The middle acts were overcooked. Too much too fast. Didn't like the monsters with the tentacles. Not crazy about the new big bad.

They did a great job recapturing the feel of the originals, something the prequels never did.

The question will be whether the new generation goes for it, or if it just appeases us old nerds. They did a phenomenal job with all of the new heroes (including the droid), so I suspect that the kids will go for it. But who knows.

The opening 30 minutes were really damn good. 10/10. The remainder of the film was more like 6/10.


I liked it more on the second viewing. I figure when Disney inevitably releases the extended Blu-Ray it will set it apart even more to help that middle act pacing. But those 10-20 minutes add up quickly when you're trying to cram as many showings per theatre as possible so it's all part of the plan to earn enough money that Disney can actually build their own Death Star to hold the world hostage over copyright laws.

The 3 minute non-speaking scene of Rey scavenging and making dinner made me care more about a character than all of the prequels combined, crazy what competent writing and directing can do when the story doesn't have to be complicated. So I have no doubt a new generation will be able to take to these characters the same way people did to Luke, Leia and Han.
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Post #271 by PPJ » Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:24 pm

Could have used more talk of trade disputes, but otherwise, not bad.

Also, the new Darth guy, ain't that great.
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Post #272 by 19nazzy » Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:51 pm

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LOS ANGELES - "Star Wars" fans will have to wait a little longer for "Episode VIII," with Disney moving the release date from May 26, 2017, to Dec. 15, 2017.

"Star Wars: The Force Awakens" is continuing to smash box office records since its release on Dec. 18. It's currently the highest-grossing movie in U.S. history, and is also the third highest-grossing movie worldwide, with its current global cume standing at $1.88 billion.

"Episode VIII" is currently in pre-production and will begin principal photography in London next month. Rian Johnson is taking the reins from J.J. Abrams, who helmed "The Force Awakens," to write and direct the upcoming sequel.

Kathleen Kennedy and Ram Bergman will produce "Episode VIII." Abrams, Tom Karnowski and Jason McGatlin will exec produce.

Something tells me the amount of money they made during this winter made this decision a little easier.
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Post #273 by senate » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:04 pm

The new release date puts it up against the first Avatar sequel. Remember when people were saying that Avatar was the new Star Wars and when Sam Worthington had employment? 2009 seems like a lifetime ago.
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Post #274 by edgar_dong » Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:47 pm

Are the screeners out yet, fellas?
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Post #275 by senate » Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:48 pm

I think that Disney is also no longer worried about the audience accepting a female and a black male protagonist. The script for Episode VIII is apparently undergoing major rewrites to focus more on Rey, Finn, and whatever that X-Wing pilot's name was. So toy sales must be going well.
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Post #276 by AD » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:58 pm

Just give us more substance goddamit
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Post #277 by Dr_Chimera » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:04 am

So did it suck? I've yet to see it.
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Post #278 by AD » Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:43 pm

The movie is good. The story is meh.
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Post #279 by Boring Choice #2 » Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:26 am

AD wrote:The movie is good. The story is meh.


In other words, it's a Star Wars movie.
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Post #280 by 19nazzy » Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:28 am

It did a good job of bridging the old and the new, and it had the feel of the originals.
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Post #281 by Germz » Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:56 am

It's a fun film that captures the feel of the originals while giving us appropriate 21st century updates of the heroes.

It doesn't match the originals for visual innovation or technical ingenuity, and its storyline is hemmed in by its own lore. But at least it has more likeable characters, better adventures, smarter editing and less awful CGI than those hideous prequels.

EDIT: The one thing that can be said for the prequels is that Lucas was still at least trying to be cutting-edge in terms of how films could look (ie. CGI). It was an awful failure, but it was an effort. You can't say that about this one. It is nice to look at it but nothing special.
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Post #282 by senate » Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:22 pm

It was just nice to see serviceable acting and directing in a Star Wars movie again.

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Post #283 by AD » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:46 am

Yes.. acting is good. Imagery is good. Blah blah blah..

But, regardless of what D says (he's an accountant and therefore dead inside), the strength of Star Wars is its ability to blend thousands of years of spiritual/religious paradigms into a cool sci fi with a good consistent narrative.

And we got none of that. Or no "new" element anyway. No plot twists worthy of anything, just a rambling set of cool action scenes with a sprinkle of nostalgia.

VIII better deliver. It can still save this movie if this was a lead up to a new chapter.
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Post #284 by AD » Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:16 pm

Yeah. They get the benefit of the doubt until December 2017.
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Post #285 by AD » Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:18 pm

I've watched all the Clone Wars cartoons recently and it has reminded me of how I was too hard on episode III. It's a good movie.
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Post #286 by PPJ » Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:21 am

AD wrote:I've watched all the Clone Wars cartoons recently and it has reminded me of how I was too hard on episode III. It's a good movie.


Episode III would have been fine if they had a decent actor play Anakin and if Portman, who really is capable of more, didn't mail in her performance. I think the character of Anakin as conceived was fine, but as the focal point of the movie the actor was atrocious.
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Post #287 by AD » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:51 am

Fair enough. But a mass slaughter of children? Kudos to have the guts to put that in the same story as Anakin catching Jar Jar's tongue before he could eat an apple.
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Post #288 by Germz » Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:26 pm

dempsey_k wrote:Some guy on YouTube did three vids for each episode on what if the prequels were good. It was mostly meandering hogwash by somebody I wouldn't hire as a script doctor for BioDome, but he echoed two things I've always thought: Darth Maul should have been the principal villain in all three, Anakin should have been 16-18 in phantom menace.


I watched those as well, and I agreed completely about Maul and Anakin's age. I think he got several other big things right, even if the blow-by-blow had problems.

1. Neither Yoda nor Palpatine should have ever picked up a lightsaber.
2. Obi-Wan's character arc should have been the focal point of the 3 films.
3. Anakin's impatience with the Jedi Council and lust for power should have been the primary reasons for his turn to the dark side, not that omg Padme is dying nonsense.
4. The way the Jedi knights died in Ep. 3 was stupid.
5. The big Anakin vs. Obi-Wan showdown should have been visibly simpler. The fancy acrobatic nonsense took away from the intensity of a climax you've been building for 3 whole films.
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Post #289 by Sturminator » Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:01 pm

Maul is sort of like the Cobain of the prequels. I'm sure, had he lived longer, they'd have found a way to profoundly fuck him up. Besides, the actor playing him was basically just a glorified stuntman/martial arts expert whose entire range in front of the camera may not extend much beyond snarling and doing cool jumpy things.
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Post #290 by Zardoz » Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:06 pm

But guys, what if Jar Jar was a Sith Lord!?!?
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Post #291 by 19nazzy » Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:44 pm

Germz wrote:
dempsey_k wrote:Some guy on YouTube did three vids for each episode on what if the prequels were good. It was mostly meandering hogwash by somebody I wouldn't hire as a script doctor for BioDome, but he echoed two things I've always thought: Darth Maul should have been the principal villain in all three, Anakin should have been 16-18 in phantom menace.

2. Obi-Wan's character arc should have been the focal point of the 3 films.

Ehh, the main series is about the Skywalkers (which is why I'm leaning to Rey being Luke's daughter). Besides, rumour has a potentially spin-off movie/trilogy occurring about Obi-Wan anyway.
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Post #292 by AD » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:27 am

Maul has a new revival (along with a brother - Savage) in season 5 of Clone Wars.

It's not great.
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Post #293 by Sturminator » Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:32 am

Savage Opress (my kids like the Clone Wars cartoon) has got to be the worst character in the Star Wars universe, including Jar Jar. I mean...the names were never subtle, but who came up with that? They may as well just call him Big Bad Poopyhead.
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Post #294 by Germz » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:26 pm

19nazzy wrote:Ehh, the main series is about the Skywalkers (which is why I'm leaning to Rey being Luke's daughter). Besides, rumour has a potentially spin-off movie/trilogy occurring about Obi-Wan anyway.


I think there is a way to make the prequel trilogy about Obi-Wan, like the original trilogy was about Luke, while quietly making the Anakin story arc the key to all 6 films.

That's why I like the way Kylo Ren is inspired by Vader. If I were writing the story out, I'd have Snoke be some kind of shadowy survival of Vader, as if Anakin's good and evil sides split into two when he died. That would explain his specific interest in Kylo Ren, since Vader's last thought before turning good was to turn Leia to the dark side. Instead he gets her son.

Meanwhile, I would have Rey be a Kenobi. Obi Wan's (and Yoda's) failure to shield Anakin from Palpatine resulted in total disaster for the Jedi. We thought that training Luke allowed them to atone for that mistake. But if the ghost of Vader is still alive and controlling the First Order, then it would bring narrative closure to have Luke train a Kenobi to finally destroy the last remnants of the dark side in the Skywalker family.

But of course I'm not a writer. Just a fanboy. Hopefully the real story is better.
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Post #295 by Craig » Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:03 pm

I finally watched this, because yeah, blueray leaked. Thoughts:

- I was not engaged at all by black kid. The character back story was fine, but why not make him seem like a trained-from-childhood badass? Why was he a bumbling fool all the way through? I didn't particularly care for the actor either.
- Girl Jedi did well. They chose well in that casting choice.
- The handling of the villain annoyed me to all end. With the mask on, totally fine. Pretty great even. But then he takes the mask off and he's just some scrawny dork? It was like the villain from some tweener vampire show on MTV. Then, and this is the thing that annoys me the most about the entire movie, he's supposed to be this bad-ass dark side master sith lord whatever and he has trouble in a sword fight with a couple of randoms who have never held a lightsabre before? Fuuuuuck that. Even with the injury, fuck that. I could have done without the entire winter forest swordfight thing at the end. The Han Solo climax was a better climax for the movie anyway.
- Han Solo was awesome. I was worried that 70+ Harrison Ford would just be lame, but every scene with him was better than the ones without him.
- The movie was very well shot. Much better than the prequels. Particularly the Solo climax at the end and lots of the Rey scenes early, really good visuals.
- I could have done with a little more explanation of how the rebels ended up marginalized and team one force or whatever got power. If that's being saved for future movies, alright, but in this movie it really felt like they just wanted to reset the whole thing to the status of ep IV and they just waved a magic wand to make it so.
- SUPER SUN-DESTROYING DEATH STAR! Fuck off. Why belittle the ultimate weapon from the start of the franchise like that? The concept of a planet weapon with an ecosystem and whatnot is sorta neat, but this is supposed to be like 30 years after the death start is blown up, right? If anything, I would have gone with a lesser threat than the originals.
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Post #296 by Craig » Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:17 pm

I liked how they handled the differences in the force between the two. I liked that he was still visibly an apprentice and whatnot. But I hated that they ignored the concept of basic training smoking random nobodies. I'm talking specifically about fencing here. He should have ruined them at that.

I could handle young, but why'd he have to seem like some scrawny emo? Luke and Leia were young in the originals, but they didn't come across like Kylo.
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Post #297 by AD » Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:00 pm

Luke is a whiny brat.
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Re: All Star Wars talk, all the time

Post #298 by Germz » Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:16 pm

Chaos Reigns wrote:Seeing again this time it became clearer for me that Kylo Ren is himself supposed to be quite young and still in training, like the hologram said. It didn't occur to me that he was supposed to be young still because of Adam Driver's age, but especially in the final duel with Rey, you can see that he's right on her level, and he recognizes that the force is much stronger in her than it is in him, and that probably speeds up his downward spiral more than anything else due to cowardice.

AD wrote:Luke is a whiny brat.


Agreed on both counts.

I think the mind control power bothered me the most about Kylo, because it leads the audience to believe that he's stronger than he is, and it's harder to reconcile with his later weakness. The badass-mask-to-emo-kid reveal works because the kid only wishes he were fucking Vader. But the mind control? How the hell did a relative neophyte get that power?

I agree with Craig that some more galactic backstory would have been nice. However I disagree about Han Solo. I thought he was fine but I thought the best part of the film was the opening act, and that after he showed up the film was more of a mixed bag. But different strokes, something for everyone, etc.
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Post #299 by vonbonds » Fri Mar 25, 2016 9:34 pm

I agree with Greg on everything. I just saw it too. Also were the X-Wings thinner than the past?
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Re: All Star Wars talk, all the time

Post #300 by MP » Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:23 pm

I liked it, but I agree the former storm trooper fighting with Luke's lightsaber was a stretch.

I also thought the whole sending Han solo to take down the shield so a small group of tie fighters could try and blow up the new death star, was a little too familiar.

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