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Post #1 by Germz » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:22 pm

why oh why Lord did you have this godawful period coincide with my high school years











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Post #2 by vonbonds » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:58 pm

You're a youngun
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Post #3 by Craig » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:24 pm

There was plenty of great rock from then. The Doves!
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Post #5 by Germz » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:18 pm

vonbonds wrote:You're a youngun


My older siblings came of age in the glory days of the early and mid-90s. The last great moment for mainstream rock music. Things got a little better in the mid-2000s (2003-2007) during the heyday of the White Stripes and some of the better 'indie' bands. And there will always be some isolated bright spots. But on the whole the genre, as a force in mainstream music, has been dead since the Smashing Pumpkins and Oasis horrifically murdered it c. 1997.
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Post #6 by vonbonds » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:20 pm

I was a teen during the 80's but listened to 70's classic rock the most. #blessed
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Post #7 by Craig » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:37 pm

Your problem is that whole mainstream thing.
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Post #8 by Germz » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:19 pm

Dead disco, dead funk, dead rock and roll.
Remodel everything that's been done.
La la la la la la la la la la la la.
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Post #9 by Germz » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:21 pm

Seriously though I could listen to Kurt Vile all day. But his ilk will never be culturally significant the way some equally great rock artists once were.
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Post #10 by Germz » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:24 pm

Oh fuck it, just forget this thread. I'm not making any sense. Really I just wanted an excuse to post American Hi-Fi. Found it when I was down a Youtube rabbit hole the other day and was like jesus christ, I know all the words to this terrible song but I completely forgot it ever existed.

I just wish the popular and current bands when I was 15 had been Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, not blink 182, Staind, Kid Rock, 3 Doors Down, Limp Bizkit, and whatever other goadawful music I still know by heart.
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Post #11 by edgar_dong » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:48 pm

Nothing indie about the last of the biggest bands on Earth. Image

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Post #12 by senate » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:52 pm

edgar_dong wrote:Nothing indie about the last of the biggest bands on Earth. Image

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Mr Dong, what is your opinion on Noel's recent remix of D'You Know What I Mean?
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Post #13 by senate » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:53 pm

Also, I think that Germz should avoid criticizing music until he learns to stop hearing with his ears and start listening with his heart.
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Post #14 by Germz » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:56 pm

I bought Don't Believe the Truth because Lyla was fucking great. Most of it was trash though. Or rather, it was 'rubbish'. Maybe 2 other good tracks on there.
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Post #15 by senate » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:57 pm

Germz wrote:I just wish the popular and current bands when I was 15 had been Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, not blink 182, Staind, Kid Rock, 3 Doors Down, Limp Bizkit, and whatever other goadawful music I still know by heart.


It's all relative:

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Post #16 by clawfirst » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:58 pm

Opeth anyone...
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Post #17 by Germz » Thu Oct 13, 2016 11:59 pm

Bieber and Rebecca Black are rock musicians now?
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Post #18 by clawfirst » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:01 am

edgar_dong wrote:Nothing indie about the last of the biggest bands on Earth. Image

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And if i call myself the best interwebs poster on the planet enough...enough people will agree to make it a thing. They were a servicable pop band. And thats ok
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Post #19 by Germz » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:04 am

There is something to being born later and romanticizing earlier periods, I will say that. How else can I excuse my borderline absurd belief that Tom Petty may have been the most gifted American pop songwriter since Dylan?
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Post #20 by senate » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:08 am

Germz wrote:Bieber and Rebecca Black are rock musicians now?


Music genre is like gender, it's all about what the individual self-identifies as.
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Post #21 by edgar_dong » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:08 am

senate wrote:Mr Dong, what is your opinion on Noel's recent remix of D'You Know What I Mean?


What a treat to actually hear the instruments after nineteen years. The solo still sucks.

clawfirst wrote:And if i call myself the best interwebs poster on the planet enough...enough people will agree to make it a thing. They were a servicable pop band. And thats ok


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Post #22 by clawfirst » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:10 am

Cause he can barely sing?

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Post #23 by clawfirst » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:11 am

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Post #24 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:17 am

Germz wrote:why oh why Lord did you have this godawful period coincide with my high school years


Jesus Christ, you're my age? I thought you were at least 60.
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Post #25 by vonbonds » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:30 am

Germz wrote:There is something to being born later and romanticizing earlier periods, I will say that. How else can I excuse my borderline absurd belief that Tom Petty may have been the most gifted American pop songwriter since Dylan?

Don't forget Tom Waits. His voice is even worse than Petty though.
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Post #26 by Germz » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:33 am

Dr_Chimera wrote:Jesus Christ, you're my age? I thought you were at least 60.


Pretty sure you posted in my Eve 6 thread.
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Post #27 by Germz » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:37 am

I'm also quite good-looking, if that helps.
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Post #28 by MP » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:02 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:
Germz wrote:why oh why Lord did you have this godawful period coincide with my high school years


Jesus Christ, you're my age? I thought you were at least 60.

Wait you're both younger than me?!
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Post #29 by selyar » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:09 pm

gauranteed every single song in the OP was on a playlist of mine at one point or another in high school
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Post #30 by IcE ColD » Fri Oct 14, 2016 12:36 pm

High school?

Geez... University, maybe, but high school?

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Post #31 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:17 pm

Germz wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:Jesus Christ, you're my age? I thought you were at least 60.


Pretty sure you posted in my Eve 6 thread.


I completely forgot about that. I think I have subconsciously conflated you with Wallace Shawn.
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Post #32 by Germz » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:13 pm

To honour Craig, I will post a good rock hit from 2002:

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Post #33 by Dr_Chimera » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:29 pm

I did not mind this pop scene at all in those years. My heroes back then were men like Don Brennan and Bruce Garrioch.
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Post #34 by AD » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:46 pm

Germz wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:Jesus Christ, you're my age? I thought you were at least 60.


Pretty sure you posted in my Eve 6 thread.


Germz mistakes me and the Doc.

I'll take that as a compliment. :colbert:
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Post #35 by Craig » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:22 pm

Even if you're just talking 2002 and stuff that was actually popular, you have stuff like Jimmy Eat World (fuck you, sweetness and the middle were great) and the Strokes.
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Post #36 by Craig » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:26 pm

Also The Vines, OK GO, Coldplay before we all got sick of them, the white stripes...
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Post #37 by Craig » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:27 pm

I'll concede that that was also peak creed/nickelback, but I'll take 2002 over pretty much any year in the 80s.
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Post #38 by clawfirst » Fri Oct 14, 2016 7:37 pm

80's was a fine time for metal though...im not sure if i agree. Dio era sabbath and such
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Post #39 by Germz » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:34 pm

Yeah 80s mainstream rock got pretty bad. The early years were probably better than the later ones.

The Vines and The Strokes were pretty good bands but that era of rock 'saviours' began an endless cycle of derivative rehashing of early periods. The White Stripes were the best of that bunch obvs., but Elephant was their big mainstream moment, and it was the end of that period IMO, the beginning of a new one. Just like the release of American Idiot the following year signaled a big shift (and ultimately the death knell) for pop punk. Things really transitioned in 2003-03; there was a big changing of the guard as the darkness of the Iraq War years and the Bush re-election campaign set in on a broader cultural level.

Coldplay yielded one good hit per album; most of their singles were boring mediocrity imo.

As for JEW - yeah I'll grant that The Middle and Sweetness were probably the best pure pop-rock tunes of the period.

I stand by my belief that the years 1999-2003 represented a low point - if perhaps not the lowest, that can be debated - in the history of popular rock.
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Post #40 by AD » Fri Oct 14, 2016 9:10 pm

Your lack of consideration for 3 doors down and Vertical Horizon is disconcerting.
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Post #41 by edgar_dong » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:02 pm

Californication, The Black Keys, peak Radiohead, The Libertines, Death in Vegas, Joel Plaskett, Wintersleep, The Music, etc :colbert:
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Post #42 by edgar_dong » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:07 pm

This is now The Fred of Arctic Monkeys.

Cuz over there, there's broken bones
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Post #43 by edgar_dong » Fri Oct 14, 2016 10:10 pm

I saw your sister in the cornerstone
On the phone to the middle man
When I saw that she was on her own
I thought she might understand

She was close - Well, you couldn't get much closer
She said I'm really not supposed to...but yes,
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Post #44 by Sturminator » Sat Oct 15, 2016 8:59 am

Germz wrote:There is something to being born later and romanticizing earlier periods, I will say that. How else can I excuse my borderline absurd belief that Tom Petty may have been the most gifted American pop songwriter since Dylan?

How about your absurd belief that Dylan was/is a "pop songwriter".

If we're just going to call everything pop, Springsteen >> Petty.
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Post #45 by Jedrik » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:58 pm

Late 90s/early 00s were terrible if you we're a lazy listener (which I very much was) and relied on what music reached you rather than digging around. Looking back, a lot of stuff I consider essential to me personally appeared around that time but I didn't listen to until much later. e.g. Wilco's Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was '02 but I probably didn't hear it til '07. Modest Mouse and Spoon arrived around then but I encountered them much more recently than that.

Seems like the indie scene began flourishing around that time.
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Post #46 by IcE ColD » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:02 pm

Jedrik wrote:Late 90s/early 00s were terrible if you we're a lazy listener (which I very much was) and relied on what music reached you rather than digging around. Looking back, a lot of stuff I consider essential to me personally appeared around that time but I didn't listen to until much later. e.g. Wilco's Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was '02 but I probably didn't hear it til '07. Modest Mouse and Spoon arrived around then but I encountered them much more recently than that.

Seems like the indie scene began flourishing around that time.


I've got about the same take on this. Most of the stuff worth listening to from that period definitely required some kind of digging.
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Post #47 by edgar_dong » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:20 pm

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Post #49 by edgar_dong » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:43 pm

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Post #50 by Germz » Wed Oct 26, 2016 11:19 am

Jedrik wrote:Late 90s/early 00s were terrible if you we're a lazy listener (which I very much was) and relied on what music reached you rather than digging around. Looking back, a lot of stuff I consider essential to me personally appeared around that time but I didn't listen to until much later. e.g. Wilco's Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was '02 but I probably didn't hear it til '07. Modest Mouse and Spoon arrived around then but I encountered them much more recently than that.

Seems like the indie scene began flourishing around that time.

I think we're pretty much saying the same thing. I just should have put the word 'mainstream' in my thread title.

Basically the same argument could be made for the alternative and underground punk scenes of the late 80s. They were the 'indie' of that era, and producing much better rock than the majority of mainstream rock at the time. R.E.M. is pretty much the textbook example. They had already released six albums by the time Losing my Religion broke in 1991, the same year as Nevermind and Ten. And any self-respecting R.E.M. fan will tell you that Out of Time, good as it was, was their worst album to date (with the possible exception of Green). Pretty much the same narrative you'll get about some of the indie bands that broke in 2003-04 and helped to give us the glory years of 2003-07. These were the best years in mainstream rock since 1991-94.

You also saw the same accusations of bandwagon-hopping leveled against perfectly decent bands like The Killers who hopped onto the trendy sound at the right time, but glossed it up with studio production and more importantly, hadn't put in the years in the trenches. Pearl Jam got some flak for this from some alternative snobs and scenesters, but the more egregrious example was STP's first record.

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