jester wrote:I'm a Sony person as well, and have never owned an XBOX of any generation... though, I was up for grabs this time around depending on how things went. If Sony had stuck with their hard-to-develop-for system, I may have jumped ship as there were too many aggravations in this past generation.
That being said, there is no doubt that XBOX One is ambitious on its living room efforts. That being said, I think we need more details. I am curious about this whole cable box aspect of the thing. I'm not sure exactly how much a cable box is costing when you figure everything out, but lets call it $10 a month--it may be a bit less than that. They've apparently already worked it out with Comcast that this thing will work with them. So, do I get a digital HD box for free if I buy a XBOX One... on top of a video game console? That's a potentially huge deal if you're talking about a piece of hardware that will be with you the next 5 years.
Totally agree with the Kinect shit... for the "gamers" that having any effect on the cost of the box is a massive waste of money.
Totally agreed. I'm being more prudent than usual, as the hype machine can fuck a message/skew reality more often than not. On my part, I'll be more specific and say that as a gamer, Microsoft's XBox One launch was quite underwhelming for the hardcore/serious gamer. They went all kinds of wrong with letting that "you have to pay a fee if you want to play used games" rumor (I sincerely think it was true and they just decided to deflect this thing on 3rd parties following the [very predictable] outcry). In a world where PR is now close to be even more important than the delivered product, and a world where Microsoft has already failed a couple of times in that same way (Windows ME, Windows Vista, etc), you can't let the rumor machine "kill" your product.
They do try to appeal a different crowd though, and you have to give this to them, it might be the future of consoles. I'm thinking they might enlarge the "gaming" market, but in the end, with their current approach and how it's marketed, I think they'll lose a bigger share of the market. It will all go down to those possible deals you're talking about (the Comcast one), but those are quite regional, and it could soon become quite easily a thorn in their side.
Another thing that is not really getting discussed - and I think they might change that one before the console gets out: you'll have to
install your games on the hardware and you get a limited fixed hard drive, no possibility to add another external hard drive. If you want to eventually get rid of your PVR, good luck with that 500Gb hard drive, holding your HD movies/TV shows, your whole music library and your games library.
jester wrote:As I'm mentioning up on the Flyers board where this is also getting talked about, you can pretty much take it to the bank that both Microsoft and Sony will have "Steam" style economic setups for game sales. The entire point of Steam from the distributors and developers point of view is that it destroys the used game market... which they fucking hate, because it's difficult (bordering on impossible) for them to really reap the reward there. All those used games that GameStop sells... people put up on Ebay... etc. represent sales that they want. However, if you stick with hard copies and have storefronts like GameStop in the show, then it's difficult for "new games" to have their prices drop. Why? Because GameStop has zero incentive to drop the price on new games when they can buy a used game off someone for $5 and then resell it for $20 next to the "new" $60 game.
Steam has shown the new economic model for game sales, and they will be copycatted with these consoles--in a lot of ways, they already have. PSN isn't robust enough yet, but they do a lot of similar stuff already. And now that you'll be paying for PSN, you can pretty much bank on more services, more free to play games (they've already announced some), etc.
In that regard, PSN is past Microsoft though. Sony has pushed the Playstation Plus model for the last year and a half, and it's having good success. The ease of access for self-publishing indie games will help a lot. The integration between the PS Vista and PS4 as well. This type of portal is definitely gonna be an important part of the future of gaming, mostly because it's only under that model that you can have your customers digest the pill that is paying for "legacy" games they already own on older consoles because your console (both of 'em...) lacks the retro-compatibility feature that is quite important for a certain group of gamers.
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David Wong - 19/12/2016