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Post #1 by Craig » Tue May 21, 2013 3:58 pm

To bolster that position, Microsoft has also announced key content partnerships with the NFL and Steven Spielberg, who will produce an original television series based on the Halo franchise of games.


Neat. I look forward to pirating that series and watching it on my PC.
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Post #2 by HS » Tue May 21, 2013 4:12 pm

"XBOX: Teabag that guy."
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Post #3 by IcE ColD » Tue May 21, 2013 4:16 pm

So XBox no longer made for gamers. Whoa, what a surprise. I am astounded. I just fell off my chair.

Totally unforeseen.

I, again, picked the right pony this time around (Beta vs VHS, Blu-Ray vs HD DVD, PS vs XBox)
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Post #4 by senate » Tue May 21, 2013 6:57 pm

Were people honestly expecting Microsoft to announce games today when E3 is three weeks away?
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Post #5 by Honus Joglund » Tue May 21, 2013 10:14 pm

I bought this thing about eleven years ago, no?
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Post #6 by PredsFan77 » Wed May 22, 2013 12:21 am

DAT SHIT PLAY HALO ONE BABY
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Post #7 by Roger Sterling » Wed May 22, 2013 4:21 am

Craig wrote:Neat. I look forward to pirating that series and watching it on my PC.


The show they did make for the recent Halo game was damn good I thought, if it had better backing, like Spielberg when that was made, it would have been even better. Might have had a "Band of Brothers" type of feel to it but with sci-fi.

I say I won't get this console, but I will get both like I did with PS3 and 360. So as long as Xbox keeps making Halo and GOW. I mean outside of those two games, not sure if I need both consoles, if Halo & Gears are really done, then like Demps, I'll wait for PS4.
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Post #8 by Roger Sterling » Wed May 22, 2013 4:22 am

19nazzy wrote:Oh hey cool, a new console announcem..

Have to pay a fee for using used games (apparently the full price LOL).
Must be online at least once every 24 hours.
Kinect must always be plugged in.
Microsoft focusing on the all-around entertainment experience.

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Edit: Nvm my previous post, Sony PS4, you have me.
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Post #9 by Fruity Pebbles » Wed May 22, 2013 10:31 am

The most unsurprising announcement ever.

Xbox 360 started to really branch out and away from just gaming so yeah...

The power of the Kinect is pretty amazing if it can actually read your heartbeat accurately.

I'll get one because I went the Xbox route with my friends and I don't really see a major reason to change in this announcement.
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Post #10 by HS » Wed May 22, 2013 10:46 am

It's still an interesting concept, however predictable the announcement was. If you watch Apple and Facebook, both are beginning to take their collective strengths in technology (and social media in Facebook's corner) to the 'home' arena. Facebook has a new technology out called Facebook Home -- which is just to say that you're now able to make Facebook your main operating system on a phone. Facebook will inevitably start branching out into PCs, Laptops, and finally into home-integrated technology. Similarly, Apple is taking the iPhone and branching out into a media centre. Both companies are trying to predict the next trend and it sounds like Microsoft has decided to do the same with the XBOX One.

It wouldn't surprise me if all three completely fail. I don't think the general public is ready to have big brands taking over their day to day dwellings.
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Post #11 by Hovercraft » Wed May 22, 2013 12:41 pm

Not interested in this at all really. PC will suit me fine, with Wii-U stepping in for Nintendo staples
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Post #12 by Zardoz » Wed May 22, 2013 5:33 pm

This is stupid. I'm totally jumping ship on console gaming entirely I think. I'll just invest in a PC to put beside my mac.
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Post #13 by Roger Sterling » Wed May 22, 2013 6:53 pm

Thinking back to when I last played even an hour on my 360 or PS3, maybe I'll pass altogether and stick to what I have. Better ways to spend the money on these forever changing consoles.
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Post #14 by HS » Wed May 22, 2013 7:10 pm

Zardoz wrote:This is stupid. I'm totally jumping ship on console gaming entirely I think. I'll just invest in a PC to put beside my mac.


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Post #15 by aptar » Thu May 23, 2013 12:25 am

A TV show about Call of Duty with lots of floating. Sign me up.
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Post #16 by Roger Sterling » Thu May 23, 2013 3:12 am

aptar wrote:A TV show about Call of Duty with lots of floating. Sign me up.


Did you see any of that Halo show? It's on Netflix. Watch it, nothing like COD or any of that shoot people repeatedly and then die by a stabbing after you've emptied a round into that person (aka Bollywood action sequence).
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Post #18 by IcE ColD » Fri May 24, 2013 12:50 pm

19nazzy wrote:Oh hey cool, a new console announcem..

Have to pay a fee for using used games (apparently the full price LOL).
Must be online at least once every 24 hours.
Kinect must always be plugged in.
Microsoft focusing on the all-around entertainment experience.

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You forget that they won't publish Indie games, y'know, like all the others do...

Fun thing though, I hope people I know will buy it. Just so I can fuck their gaming by calling them through Skype or shout "Go to TV" when they're playing.

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Post #19 by senate » Fri May 24, 2013 1:34 pm

I don't understand the having to install the games to the hard drive complaint. That's a requirement because of blu-ray read speeds, not DRM.
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Post #20 by senate » Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:09 pm

$499. Ouch. I'll no doubt end up buying it eventually, but not at that price. Here is hoping for a sub-$400 launch PS4.
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Post #21 by HS » Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:14 pm

Jesus Fucking Christ. $499. Wow. That's just absurd. What's more, they did not fucking listen when the details came out almost a month ago. They had all the time in the world to remove their DRM requirements and the banning of console to console sharing. Just fucking unreal. Hubris will be their downfall. I hope PS4 makes those changes (they've already indicated that they won't be requiring persistent online connectivity), so XBOX One falls completely flat and more games hit the PC market.
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Post #22 by senate » Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:48 pm

But then they snuck in that multiplayer won't be free on PS4.
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Post #23 by senate » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:02 pm

Well, that's that. $399
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Post #24 by senate » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:08 pm

Xbox One doesn't ship until November, hopefully Microsoft will dig themselves out their hole before then.
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Post #25 by senate » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:11 pm

Also, I hope that the PS4 doesn't have "tiers" or different models or whatever they want to call it and that $399 is for the full model.
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Post #26 by Konecny HypeTrain Captain » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:26 pm

RIP XBOX

I will be getting a PS4 no doubt
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Post #27 by edgar_dong » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:35 pm

I'll buy both, and keep 'em disconnected until my little faggot nephews swing by.
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Post #28 by Honus Joglund » Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:48 pm

I saw a link on twitter to a stream of this Sony press conference, tuned it on for a minute, heard some dorks in the audience cheering for a video game, looked at myself in the mirror and threw my computer straight out the fucking window.
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Post #29 by aptar » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:49 am

Looks like this generation will be natural selection for fanboys.
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Post #30 by jester » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:45 am

I think calls for the demise of XBOX are too soon, and the real problem is that the video game industry/gamers are the ones primarily paying attention right now. The PS4 seems to have a slight edge in hardware for games--but it's too soon to really tell. Sony also seems to be making a positive commitment to providing some pretty good games and the like... and they better do a better job with their network if they're going to start charging to play (sidenote: if this is going to be the era of free-to-play games it was pretty much a guarantee they would charge for the network).

That being said... people are missing and/or ignoring that Microsoft is really pushing to be much more than a video game console. If they win that battle, then they are going to kill it. That being said, it strikes me as likely that they need the gamers in order to achieve exit velocity with this console before it will take off as your primary living room device for gaming and not for gaming.
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Post #31 by Nibblet » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:10 am

For the price of the Xbox one you could build an htpc that does everything it does and more, without any restrictions. Obviously only 1% of the population is tech savvy enough to do that.

Microsoft just doesn't care about appealing to the gamer demographic. They know all that matters is sales and the general population will still buy the Xbox.
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Post #32 by IcE ColD » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:19 am

jester wrote:[...]That being said... people are missing and/or ignoring that Microsoft is really pushing to be much more than a video game console. If they win that battle, then they are going to kill it. That being said, it strikes me as likely that they need the gamers in order to achieve exit velocity with this console before it will take off as your primary living room device for gaming and not for gaming.


Not sure that aiming to be "much more than a gaming console" is the right way to go though. They aim to replace cable box and be a video game console. But they're pushing it at a 499$ price tag. That's a very high pricing tag right there. I'm guessing most people will decide to buy an Apple TV or that Google TV thing at a fraction of the price. There's also the Steam Box that should come out, for the hardcore gamers (and if some people around here think that PC gaming is dying, well, just switch discussion please).

People also won't like that "connect once every 24 hours" thing, nor the "Kinect will always have to be on for you to play XBox" thing, or the "Indie developers won't be able to publish games for our XBox One console" and such.

In the end, I think XBox will loose a part of their share on the gaming, but it probably won't die. People are attached to their gaming consoles. More than they care to admit.

On my part, I can't wait to fuck around with that voice command thingy at a friend's place (yes, I am a PC/PS4 fan)
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Post #33 by senate » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:41 am

If the PS3 survived it's rocky start this generation so there is no reason to think Xbox One can't come back in the next one. One of the completely groundless speculation I read that could work is if Microsoft adopts the PC pricing of $39-49 new releases. As Steam proved, consumers will tolerate DRM if it is accompanied by cheaper prices.
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Post #34 by IcE ColD » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:49 am

senate wrote:If the PS3 survived it's rocky start this generation so there is no reason to think Xbox One can't come back in the next one. One of the completely groundless speculation I read that could work is if Microsoft adopts the PC pricing of $39-49 new releases. As Steam proved, consumers will tolerate DRM if it is accompanied by cheaper prices.


I think that deflecting the responsibility to third parties regarding that used games fee was a first step in the right direction, but adopting that kind of pricing could be good for them as well.
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Post #35 by IcE ColD » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:56 am

Dunno where, but I recall seeing there'd be a 3 tiers pricing for PS4: 399$, 499$ and 599$. Don't know what the difference would/will be between those bundles though.
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Post #36 by HS » Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:47 pm

Won't be getting either. I am really happy with my PC. I don't get to game much but I'm content with the amazing graphic settings I get plus the speed of each game loads and lack of graphic stuttering.

With the consoles, it's impossible to make any hardware changes.

That said, I think my buddy will be getting both systems. So I'll play eventually.
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Post #37 by IcE ColD » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:20 pm

Devilsfanatic wrote:Just a rumor. I assume if it were true, they'd announce it then and there. I assume it will be bigger hard drive, PS+ membership, PS eye and a game with the 599.99 model, if it were true.


Ah, thank you for the debunk. I'd assume the same as you in regard to the bundle, but just wanted to see if anyone else had seen shit on this.

HS wrote:Won't be getting either. I am really happy with my PC. I don't get to game much but I'm content with the amazing graphic settings I get plus the speed of each game loads and lack of graphic stuttering.

With the consoles, it's impossible to make any hardware changes.

That said, I think my buddy will be getting both systems. So I'll play eventually.


Don't forget to fuck with him when he plays game on his XBox One. Using the voice command.

I swear, I hope I'll know someone who buys it just for that very reason.
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Post #38 by HS » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:30 pm

We'll have to see what the voice commands are! I was mistaken about the persistent connectivity though. Apparently it's just once every 24 hours.

Still, that's incredibly stupid. Microsoft is further isolating their fan base. Yuck.
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Post #39 by Craig » Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:37 pm

Want to take your game console to the cottage for the weekend? Microsoft thinks you should go outside and play instead.
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Post #40 by IcE ColD » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:14 pm

Almost kinda funny to see the roles being reversed this time around... it looks like Microsoft has now decided to no longer hear a thing their customers say while Sony took the opposite approach.
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Post #41 by HS » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:40 pm

I will be pushing my friend to get The Division though. That game looks incredible. I hope he gets it solely for the purpose of the details that were shown in the game-play trailer.
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Post #42 by jester » Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:54 pm

IcE ColD wrote:Not sure that aiming to be "much more than a gaming console" is the right way to go though. They aim to replace cable box and be a video game console. But they're pushing it at a 499$ price tag. That's a very high pricing tag right there. I'm guessing most people will decide to buy an Apple TV or that Google TV thing at a fraction of the price. There's also the Steam Box that should come out, for the hardcore gamers (and if some people around here think that PC gaming is dying, well, just switch discussion please).

People also won't like that "connect once every 24 hours" thing, nor the "Kinect will always have to be on for you to play XBox" thing, or the "Indie developers won't be able to publish games for our XBox One console" and such.

In the end, I think XBox will loose a part of their share on the gaming, but it probably won't die. People are attached to their gaming consoles. More than they care to admit.

On my part, I can't wait to fuck around with that voice command thingy at a friend's place (yes, I am a PC/PS4 fan)


I'm a Sony person as well, and have never owned an XBOX of any generation... though, I was up for grabs this time around depending on how things went. If Sony had stuck with their hard-to-develop-for system, I may have jumped ship as there were too many aggravations in this past generation.

That being said, there is no doubt that XBOX One is ambitious on its living room efforts. That being said, I think we need more details. I am curious about this whole cable box aspect of the thing. I'm not sure exactly how much a cable box is costing when you figure everything out, but lets call it $10 a month--it may be a bit less than that. They've apparently already worked it out with Comcast that this thing will work with them. So, do I get a digital HD box for free if I buy a XBOX One... on top of a video game console? That's a potentially huge deal if you're talking about a piece of hardware that will be with you the next 5 years.

Totally agree with the Kinect shit... for the "gamers" that having any effect on the cost of the box is a massive waste of money.

senate wrote:If the PS3 survived it's rocky start this generation so there is no reason to think Xbox One can't come back in the next one. One of the completely groundless speculation I read that could work is if Microsoft adopts the PC pricing of $39-49 new releases. As Steam proved, consumers will tolerate DRM if it is accompanied by cheaper prices.


As I'm mentioning up on the Flyers board where this is also getting talked about, you can pretty much take it to the bank that both Microsoft and Sony will have "Steam" style economic setups for game sales. The entire point of Steam from the distributors and developers point of view is that it destroys the used game market... which they fucking hate, because it's difficult (bordering on impossible) for them to really reap the reward there. All those used games that GameStop sells... people put up on Ebay... etc. represent sales that they want. However, if you stick with hard copies and have storefronts like GameStop in the show, then it's difficult for "new games" to have their prices drop. Why? Because GameStop has zero incentive to drop the price on new games when they can buy a used game off someone for $5 and then resell it for $20 next to the "new" $60 game.

Steam has shown the new economic model for game sales, and they will be copycatted with these consoles--in a lot of ways, they already have. PSN isn't robust enough yet, but they do a lot of similar stuff already. And now that you'll be paying for PSN, you can pretty much bank on more services, more free to play games (they've already announced some), etc.
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Post #43 by IcE ColD » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:17 pm

jester wrote:I'm a Sony person as well, and have never owned an XBOX of any generation... though, I was up for grabs this time around depending on how things went. If Sony had stuck with their hard-to-develop-for system, I may have jumped ship as there were too many aggravations in this past generation.

That being said, there is no doubt that XBOX One is ambitious on its living room efforts. That being said, I think we need more details. I am curious about this whole cable box aspect of the thing. I'm not sure exactly how much a cable box is costing when you figure everything out, but lets call it $10 a month--it may be a bit less than that. They've apparently already worked it out with Comcast that this thing will work with them. So, do I get a digital HD box for free if I buy a XBOX One... on top of a video game console? That's a potentially huge deal if you're talking about a piece of hardware that will be with you the next 5 years.

Totally agree with the Kinect shit... for the "gamers" that having any effect on the cost of the box is a massive waste of money.


Totally agreed. I'm being more prudent than usual, as the hype machine can fuck a message/skew reality more often than not. On my part, I'll be more specific and say that as a gamer, Microsoft's XBox One launch was quite underwhelming for the hardcore/serious gamer. They went all kinds of wrong with letting that "you have to pay a fee if you want to play used games" rumor (I sincerely think it was true and they just decided to deflect this thing on 3rd parties following the [very predictable] outcry). In a world where PR is now close to be even more important than the delivered product, and a world where Microsoft has already failed a couple of times in that same way (Windows ME, Windows Vista, etc), you can't let the rumor machine "kill" your product.

They do try to appeal a different crowd though, and you have to give this to them, it might be the future of consoles. I'm thinking they might enlarge the "gaming" market, but in the end, with their current approach and how it's marketed, I think they'll lose a bigger share of the market. It will all go down to those possible deals you're talking about (the Comcast one), but those are quite regional, and it could soon become quite easily a thorn in their side.

Another thing that is not really getting discussed - and I think they might change that one before the console gets out: you'll have to install your games on the hardware and you get a limited fixed hard drive, no possibility to add another external hard drive. If you want to eventually get rid of your PVR, good luck with that 500Gb hard drive, holding your HD movies/TV shows, your whole music library and your games library.

jester wrote:As I'm mentioning up on the Flyers board where this is also getting talked about, you can pretty much take it to the bank that both Microsoft and Sony will have "Steam" style economic setups for game sales. The entire point of Steam from the distributors and developers point of view is that it destroys the used game market... which they fucking hate, because it's difficult (bordering on impossible) for them to really reap the reward there. All those used games that GameStop sells... people put up on Ebay... etc. represent sales that they want. However, if you stick with hard copies and have storefronts like GameStop in the show, then it's difficult for "new games" to have their prices drop. Why? Because GameStop has zero incentive to drop the price on new games when they can buy a used game off someone for $5 and then resell it for $20 next to the "new" $60 game.

Steam has shown the new economic model for game sales, and they will be copycatted with these consoles--in a lot of ways, they already have. PSN isn't robust enough yet, but they do a lot of similar stuff already. And now that you'll be paying for PSN, you can pretty much bank on more services, more free to play games (they've already announced some), etc.


In that regard, PSN is past Microsoft though. Sony has pushed the Playstation Plus model for the last year and a half, and it's having good success. The ease of access for self-publishing indie games will help a lot. The integration between the PS Vista and PS4 as well. This type of portal is definitely gonna be an important part of the future of gaming, mostly because it's only under that model that you can have your customers digest the pill that is paying for "legacy" games they already own on older consoles because your console (both of 'em...) lacks the retro-compatibility feature that is quite important for a certain group of gamers.
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Post #44 by HS » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:18 pm

PS4 will NOT have a steam box style micro-purchasing attached. It won't happen. The console developer tweeted it earlier today.
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Post #45 by jester » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:34 pm

HS wrote:PS4 will NOT have a steam box style micro-purchasing attached. It won't happen. The console developer tweeted it earlier today.


That's a different beast... but there have to be micro transactions, otherwise these F2P titles that they've already announced don't make sense.
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Post #46 by IcE ColD » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:35 pm

HS wrote:PS4 will NOT have a steam box style micro-purchasing attached. It won't happen. The console developer tweeted it earlier today.


They do have PSN and PSPlus to push indie games, so while it's not a Steam Box thing, it's giving a similar offer, but only for games developed for their console. I'm guessing they'll keep the "you buy currency on our Network and we sell you games for that currency" model.
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Post #47 by senate » Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:22 pm

A Sony exec told Gametrailers that PS4 will allow third-party DRM. No real clarification on what that means, other than PS4 will not have built-in DRM capabilities like the X-Box-1.
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Post #48 by Hovercraft » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:43 pm

IcE ColD wrote:They do have PSN and PSPlus to push indie games, so while it's not a Steam Box thing, it's giving a similar offer, but only for games developed for their console. I'm guessing they'll keep the "you buy currency on our Network and we sell you games for that currency" model.


Apparently PS4 will require PS+ account to play games online (~5$ a month). Not a huge deal, but probably one of Sony's only downsides so far (still comes with free games though)

Devilsfanatic wrote:Then the developer puts the DRM on the disc, kind of like what they do on PCs, so then Sony can say hey that's up to them. It's smart.


3rd part DRM also includes things like Online Passes
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Post #49 by vf » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:45 pm

Devilsfanatic wrote:Then the developer puts the DRM on the disc, kind of like what they do on PCs, so then Sony can say hey that's up to them. It's smart.


Of course this practice has died except for AAA Developers; everybody else has realized it's bad for business.
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