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Re: Portugal

Post #51 by Dog » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:03 pm

Provence is turning out to be the shits. We're in a beautiful, slightly run down ranch/villa (just run down enough for a lazy/former grandeur sort of charm, not ugly run down like most of the rest of France ;)). Surrounding towns are fantastic. We're some 15 minutes out of Arles, which is a cute town with decent roman ruins and a pretty good Van Gogh gallery (he lived there a few years). Loved Avignon today, even if it's very touristy. Theatre festival going on, palais des papes was great. Going to some small hillside towns tomorrow but mostly lounging around here.
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Post #52 by Dog » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:17 pm

Provence is actually brilliantly located. Near the Alps and Mediterranean but away from the bling-bling, a tgv ride from Paris, couple hours drive from Lyon, close to northern Italy, Barcelona, Switzerland, Austria, southern Germany. I like it! It's amazing how there is plenty of internal french tourists around but it doesn't feel touristy. Everything still feels quite original. No mass hotels, food chains, etc. Everthing is just slightly run down typical french with some pretty good historical sites and good art/cultural activities. Food's great too!
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Post #53 by PredsFan77 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:23 pm

Wasn't the insane asylum in Arles?
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Post #54 by Dog » Mon Jul 17, 2017 5:51 pm

St-Remy. Another town up the road.

Arles is where he painted this café/terrasse (it's just slightly more run down now):

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Post #55 by PredsFan77 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:14 pm

that's it. bet it's a touristy spot now too
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Post #56 by Dog » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:23 am

I didn't look for it, but Arles had very few tourists on the whole. Everbody appears to be in Avignon (where they have a nice theatre festival going on). Tourism in France on the whole appears to be orders of magnitude down in the past two years. Mostly just french and EU tourists. We've hardly come accross any Americans or Asians.
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Post #57 by Dog » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:47 am

No wonder the place we are staying at has some charm. It's apparently an old order of Malta sanctuary. Main buildings are from the 16th and 17th centuries, including a large beautiful chapel haphazardly clutered with antiques that I've took to sitting in and doing some reading. This place is literally in the middle of the fields with no kitchen (have to drive into town to eat, other than breakfast). Only place for a few families to stay, each in their own lodging spread out on the grounds. Family that bought the place has been slowly renovating/reclaiming for over a decade. This has been a great find.
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Post #58 by MP » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:56 pm

Day tripped to Gibraltar today. Kinda interesting, had a jet plane take off as I was standing to cross the runway...
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Post #59 by PredsFan77 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:20 pm

The road is cool
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Post #60 by MP » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:09 pm

Well driving into the Porto city centre at rush hour wasn't the brightest move...
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Post #61 by Dog » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:58 pm

In Nice for the final leg of the trip. Had been before and I'm not a big fan, but the wife wanted to come.

Provence >>>> Cote d'Azur.
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Post #62 by MP » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:49 pm

Forgot to mention that we drove down the highway where all the forest fires were. That shit was surreal. Everything burnt or singed, nothing green, just dead looking...
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Post #63 by PredsFan77 » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:16 pm

What did you expect
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Post #64 by Dog » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:24 am

How was Oporto (and surrounding region), mp?
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Post #65 by AD » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:24 am

Are you back in Canada dog?
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Post #66 by MP » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:55 pm

Dog wrote:How was Oporto (and surrounding region), mp?

Porto is pretty nice. I'm finding it completely different than Lisbon. Yes, it's mobbed with tourists, but most of them are Portuguese, Spanish, French or other Euros, but unlike Lisbon there's only a few brits.

The city has tons of old churches (if you're into that kinda sight seeing), and most of the restaurants are pretty good. The river front is a great scene. The odd thing is down the main stretch from the train station to the river, like every 3rd or 4th shop is basically abandon, but loads of construction going on. I've heard the Portugal economy is doing better, and leading to some significant developments do to increased tourism, so I expect some big changes in the next few years (I counted like 23 tower cranes from my window in Lisbon, similar here in Porto).

The far side of the river has all the port houses. With lots of tours and tasting opportunities. We went to Taylor's which had a fantastic list to try from. Mrs. Plan has fallen for the vinho verde (green wine) in a big way.

Today, we did a river cruise on the Douro into the wine region, which IMO is definitely worth doing. Nice a relaxing day taking in the river valley landscape.
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Post #67 by PredsFan77 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:12 pm

how is the port
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Post #68 by MP » Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:54 am

PredsFan77 wrote:how is the port

Excellent. I had never had the white port before, and the 20 yr tawny is right up my alley, however, I didn't splurge for a 200€ glass of the 1985 vintage...
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Dog wrote:How was Oporto (and surrounding region), mp?

Porto is pretty nice. I'm finding it completely different than Lisbon. Yes, it's mobbed with tourists, but most of them are Portuguese, Spanish, French or other Euros, but unlike Lisbon there's only a few brits.

The city has tons of old churches (if you're into that kinda sight seeing), and most of the restaurants are pretty good. The river front is a great scene. The odd thing is down the main stretch from the train station to the river, like every 3rd or 4th shop is basically abandon, but loads of construction going on. I've heard the Portugal economy is doing better, and leading to some significant developments do to increased tourism, so I expect some big changes in the next few years (I counted like 23 tower cranes from my window in Lisbon, similar here in Porto).

The far side of the river has all the port houses. With lots of tours and tasting opportunities. We went to Taylor's which had a fantastic list to try from. Mrs. Plan has fallen for the vinho verde (green wine) in a big way.

Today, we did a river cruise on the Douro into the wine region, which IMO is definitely worth doing. Nice a relaxing day taking in the river valley landscape.


Very nice, thanks. On my "to do" list.
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Post #70 by Dog » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:46 am

AD wrote:Are you back in Canada dog?


Got back today, as can be seen by my "I woke up at 3am jetlagged" post.
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Post #71 by MP » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:49 am

4+ hour delay on our return flight. FML.
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Post #72 by Dog » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:58 am

MP wrote:4+ hour delay on our return flight. FML.


We had a dufus check in his luggage and then not board the plane causing an hour delay for the airline to remove his baggage. This isn't the first time i've seen this. Who are these people that check in luggage and then don't board?
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MP wrote:4+ hour delay on our return flight. FML.


We had a dufus check in his luggage and then not board the plane causing an hour delay for the airline to remove his baggage. This isn't the first time i've seen this. Who are these people that check in luggage and then don't board?


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Post #75 by MP » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:50 pm

Well they drive us on a bus to the plane, then let no one off. Then they close the doors and drive us back to arrivals. Flights been cancelled.
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Post #76 by Dog » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:14 pm

What airline?
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Post #77 by MP » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:43 pm

Air Canada. What a shit show that was. Mass chaos no instructions given, we collect our bags and go back to check-in, because Air Canada has no desk in Lisbon. Nobody there people are like what now? We ask a random airport worker he sends us to some PortWay desk, she say go stand in the departure lobby, someone will come.

So we stand there with 350 others for about 30 minutes clogging the terminal, eventually a woman in an orange vest says buses are coming in an hour to take you to hotels.

We get to the hotel, the lobby is jammed with people from the flight. Takes another hour to get our room. Then they provide us a substandard buffet, with no bar service...

Just got my revised itinerary, we now leave at 2pm tomorrow... Hopefully. Time to search out some beer.
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Post #78 by MP » Sun Jul 23, 2017 4:49 pm

The real kicker was that the reason for the cancellation was that a flight attendant didn't show up for work. I mean they could find a replacement and decided waste everyone's day?!
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Post #79 by MP » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:20 am

Back at the airport today, standing in the most impossibly long check-in line, with only 3 desks working....
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Post #80 by MP » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:31 am

Just through checkin
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Post #81 by MP » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:32 am

Forgot we had our duty free goods in our carry on. A bit of hassle a security, but they allowed it through.
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Post #82 by MP » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:49 am

Seems by the EU law, we are due 600€ each for the flight cancellation. Has anyone ever gone through the process of making such a claim?
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Post #83 by AD » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:38 am

I haven't but a friend has and says he made the claim directly to the airline.
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Post #84 by AD » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:41 am

I.e., write Air Canada a letter giving them the details of your trip, flight numbers, ticket numbers, etc. and what happened and ask for your money.
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Post #85 by Dog » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:59 am

Yeah, it would be with AC.
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Post #86 by Dog » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:00 am

Heck of a hassle, man. A $1k comp per person would be pretty decent, though.
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Post #87 by MP » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:03 am

Just been delayed again today...
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Post #88 by AD » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:03 am

More $$$$!

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Post #89 by Dog » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:15 am

Mp is going to turn a profit out of this trip!
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Post #90 by Dog » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:16 am

MP wrote:Just been delayed again today...


I'd just book a spot on a cargo ship at this point.
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Post #91 by PredsFan77 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:46 pm

MP wrote:The real kicker was that the reason for the cancellation was that a flight attendant didn't show up for work. I mean they could find a replacement and decided waste everyone's day?!


very unusual for crew not to show up for an international departure. They'll even work short (assuming good labor relations with airline and regulation compliance) if someone is deathly sick. But ya, Air Canada doesn't have reserve crew at outbound stations just waiting for a no show
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Post #92 by PredsFan77 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:49 pm

looks like he just made it back to Canadian territory yall!
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Post #93 by Dog » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:12 pm

I'm just hopeful the plans are safe.
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Post #94 by MP » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:07 pm

Dog wrote:I'm just hopeful the plans are safe.

The plans are secure and sitting in Pearson.
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Post #95 by MP » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:10 pm

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MP wrote:The real kicker was that the reason for the cancellation was that a flight attendant didn't show up for work. I mean they could find a replacement and decided waste everyone's day?!


very unusual for crew not to show up for an international departure. They'll even work short (assuming good labor relations with airline and regulation compliance) if someone is deathly sick. But ya, Air Canada doesn't have reserve crew at outbound stations just waiting for a no show

So we asked today at check-in, the attendant who is from the portuguese firm which handles the AC stuff in Lisbon, confirmed that the attendant showed up drunk, then the captain confirmed that by the time the replacement arrived, the flight crew would going to exceed their allowable flight time, so he cancelled the flight.

I'm guess someone is looking for new employment...
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Post #96 by Dog » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:27 pm

MP wrote:Pearson.


It's worse than I thought.

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MP wrote:
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MP wrote:The real kicker was that the reason for the cancellation was that a flight attendant didn't show up for work. I mean they could find a replacement and decided waste everyone's day?!


very unusual for crew not to show up for an international departure. They'll even work short (assuming good labor relations with airline and regulation compliance) if someone is deathly sick. But ya, Air Canada doesn't have reserve crew at outbound stations just waiting for a no show

So we asked today at check-in, the attendant who is from the portuguese firm which handles the AC stuff in Lisbon, confirmed that the attendant showed up drunk, then the captain confirmed that by the time the replacement arrived, the flight crew would going to exceed their allowable flight time, so he cancelled the flight.

I'm guess someone is looking for new employment...


mmm interesting and yeah, they fired.
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Post #98 by AD » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:11 pm

MP wrote:
Dog wrote:I'm just hopeful the plans are safe.

The plans are secure and sitting in Pearson.


Ooooh. Tough break.

Better luck next time.
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Post #99 by TittiesNBeer » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:10 pm

Going in 8 days.
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