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Post #1 by Dog » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:46 pm

Thinking of central Europe for the family next summer. Never been. Thinking Berlin-Prague-Vienna-Budapest. Would meet up with friends in Budapest.

Looking at flights, it would be cheaper to fly into Munich.

Thoughts on Munich vs Berlin?

Other thoughts/tips on the itinerary? Would stay in each city some 4 days or so.
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Post #2 by Boring Choice #2 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:02 pm

I like Munich better than Berlin. I was never really a fan of Berlin. Though I was there when it was a construction zone. Still, I like the culture of southern Germany more than the north.
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Re: Berlin or Munich

Post #3 by Dog » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:08 pm

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Post #4 by Dog » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:15 pm

pics of munich seem nicer. more of a "german" old town. OMG, am I a nazi too?


Salzburg pretty close too. Have you been there, D?
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Post #5 by Boring Choice #2 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:15 pm

That is probably why I don't like the northern Germans as much. Good call.
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Post #6 by Dog » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:17 pm

I hear good things about Berlin, though. More of a cosmopolitan/artsy/big city vibe?

Been to Salzburg?
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Post #7 by Boring Choice #2 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:19 pm

Dog wrote:pics of munich seem nicer. more of a "german" old town. OMG, am I a nazi too?


Salzburg pretty close to. Have you been there, D?


I went to Salzburg once on a long weekend. It is on the way from Munich to Vienna, sort of. I think it is a nice looking city with annoying locals who ask if you want to go on the Sound of Music tour every second of the day. It's a one day trip at most. It's the equivalent of the visit to Pisa if you are in northern Italy.
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Post #8 by Boring Choice #2 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:24 pm

Dog wrote:I hear good things about Berlin, though. More of a cosmopolitan/artsy/big city vibe?


That's not my type of thing. That's the type of thing that would make the banana prefer Berlin over Munich. I am more into food and architecture and actual art (as opposed to artsy people).
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Post #9 by Dog » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:44 pm

Wife seems to prefer Berlin. Weird, had her pegged as more of a nazi. Says Munich seems more similar to Vienna/Prague/Budapest than Berlin.

Can’t say I disagree. Already hitting 3 other mid sized older cities on that trip. More cosmopolitan Berlin would be more different in the context of that trip.
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Post #10 by PredsFan77 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:09 pm

They both have their charms, I'd say it would depend on what you are wanting to do. Berlin has more of a hip/trendy vibe with a ton of history and museums. If you are into architecture it's pretty cool to compare East and West split by just a city block or two...not to mention the Potsdam palaces. (easy daytrips to Potsdam and Dresden, I even went to Poland for a few hours). Munich is more conservative and commercial, but could do easy day trips to Salzburg/Stuttgart/Nuremberg. Not sure what the transit situation is from Berlin to Prague, but there isn't really a convenient way to get between Munich and Prague. You can get a Bavaria card that will take you from Pilsen to Munich but have to buy another ticket from Pilsen to Prague. I ended up taking a bus from Prague to Nuremberg and took the ICE the rest of the way.

If I was going to do 4 days in just those cities, it'd be Berlin. I'd run out of things to do in Munich. Train between Munich and Vienna is pretty slow. Train between Vienna and Budapest is pretty eastern euro, if you don't get the railjet. Try and find a cheap airfare out of Budapest rather than taking the train back to Berlin/Munich.

Also, Bratislava is an easy day trip from Vienna.

Also if you need any dental work done, there's the largest per capita concentration of dentist in the world in a town just across the border in Hungary.

Also, also, Prague sucks.
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Post #11 by Dog » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:03 pm

Thanks. Thinking of renting a car and driving between the cities. I like the road trip vibe of that. Noticed Munich-Prague is a bit awkward, but didn’t seem undoable. Flights were considerably cheaper to Munich (like $300 per ticket cheaper). Will continue to monitor. Thanks all.
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Post #12 by Dog » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:05 pm

Also, does Prague really suck? Seems overcrowded with tourists, but thought the city itself seemed quite nice.
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Post #13 by PredsFan77 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:23 pm

Dog wrote:Thanks. Thinking of renting a car and driving between the cities. I like the road trip vibe of that. Noticed Munich-Prague is a bit awkward, but didn’t seem undoable. Flights were considerably cheaper to Munich (like $300 per ticket cheaper). Will continue to monitor. Thanks all.


Yeah there's jackshit on the drive between the two besides the climb in elevation at the border where snow is more abundant. I think I counted like 30 giant deer on the drive back from prague, it was nuts.
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Post #14 by PredsFan77 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:27 pm

Dog wrote:Also, does Prague really suck? Seems overcrowded with tourists, but thought the city itself seemed quite nice.


The latter has a big impact by the former...and I was there in February, can't even imagine what it is like in the peak season. But it is cheap, the beer is fantastic, and there's enough to do there to keep yourself busy. But if I was going for that kind of eastern europe vibe, I'd take Budapest 100 times out of 99.
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Post #15 by Dog » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:38 pm

Yeah, we’ll be visiting friends in Budapest too. They’ll know the ins and outs. Should be cool.
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Post #16 by MP » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:11 am

I too am more a Munich guy then a Berlin guy. I thought Vienna was dull. I liked Prague, but for the most part it's just a big city. Budapest was very nice.

From Budapest I went on to Split and Dubrovnik which I also recommend, but it was a heck of an overnight train.
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Post #17 by AD » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:43 pm

Berlin is my favourite non A++ city in the world (London, Tokyo, NYC). I can say that objectively Paris is better. But subjectively, you can fall in love with Berlin. Paris is a cold hard bitch.

Budapest is another town I adored. Type of place I could move to if life worked that way.
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Post #18 by AD » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:44 pm

Do a proper walking tour of East Berlin. Go to Potsdam too.

If you like kinky sex and WWII history, Berlin is amazing.
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Post #19 by Dog » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:28 pm

Thanks. Of course, you figure AD would have kinky sex and WWII somehow intertwined together in his mind.
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Post #20 by AD » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:37 pm

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Post #21 by habfan4 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:03 pm

Dog wrote:Thinking of central Europe for the family next summer. Never been. Thinking Berlin-Prague-Vienna-Budapest. Would meet up with friends in Budapest.

Looking at flights, it would be cheaper to fly into Munich.

Thoughts on Munich vs Berlin?

Other thoughts/tips on the itinerary? Would stay in each city some 4 days or so.


Apples and oranges. Berlin has a completely different vibe than Munich.

Both have excellent museums Munich (Alte Pinakothek, Neue Pinakothek, Pinakothek der Moderne) Berlin (Bodes, Pergamon, Neues etc) there are a tonne more museums in each city. Each has a "museum" island which makes it easy to access several in a day. In or around Berlin you also got Charlottenburg Palace and San Souci in Potsdam - Though I suppose Charlottenburg Palace might be a let down if you plan on going to (or have visited) Schönbrunn in Vienna. Both are super green cities lots of parks which is a plus during the summer. Berlin does a great job not ducking its history - The Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe, Topography of Terror & the Jewish Museum are particularly well done. Munich (Dachau aside) seems less preoccupied with the past.

In general: Berlin hotels are considerably less expensive than in Munich, even at the top levels; Munich is a more walkable city while in Berlin you have to frequently utilize public transportation (which is excellent in both Cities). You can get a decent meal in either town, granted the Bavarian food and drink is obviously better in Munich;

If there is an area where Munich wins hands down it's football clubs and the airport.
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Post #22 by AD » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:20 pm

Berlin has a much better kink scene.

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Post #23 by PredsFan77 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:10 pm

Munich also has better beer
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Post #24 by Dog » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:14 pm

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Post #25 by habfan4 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:22 am

AD wrote:Berlin has a much better kink scene.

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Why leave Montréal if kink is your thing?
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Post #26 by AD » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:26 am

Hey Montreal has some good restaurants, great parks and good shopping. But it doesn't mean I can't enjoy a culinary tour in Chicago, meander in Central Park in the fall or shop till I drop in Tokyo.
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Post #27 by habfan4 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:52 am

Dog wrote:...Salzburg pretty close too. Have you been there, D?


You can get to Salzburg in roughly an hour via commuter train from Munich. It's worth a day-trip visit (It would be a long day), not sure I'd overnight or carve out more than a day to see it unless you have a castle fetish.

Prague doesn't suck. My initial impression wasn't great but that probably had more to do with the fact that I visited during a heat wave and had just come from Vienna (which is going to make most places seem pedestrian in comparison). Plus - The spots that you'd visit as a tourist are located in relatively easy walking distance (Prague Castle, Old Town, Charles Bridge etc..) Negative - The main sites are completely overrun with tourists.

Lots of solid restaurants and beer bar choices, although you will hit the wall in terms of pork and goulash.
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AD wrote:Hey Montreal has some good restaurants, great parks and good shopping. But it doesn't mean I can't enjoy a culinary tour in Chicago, meander in Central Park in the fall or shop till I drop in Tokyo.


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Prague does suck
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Post #30 by habfan4 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:32 pm

Dog wrote:Thanks. Thinking of renting a car and driving between the cities. I like the road trip vibe of that. Noticed Munich-Prague is a bit awkward, but didn’t seem undoable. Flights were considerably cheaper to Munich (like $300 per ticket cheaper). Will continue to monitor. Thanks all.


I suppose it depends on how you plan on organizing the trip. But unless you’re a masochist skip the drive and take the train. Cheap even in first class (or the inexplicably better than first class, business class in the Czech Republic) and provides a bit of down time on travel days. You can actually see the countryside as opposed to driving.
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Post #31 by Dog » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:35 pm

I like the drive. You feel insulated in the train, end up reading and shit. Driving, you stop here and there and I find get an interesting look at the lives of ´the regular folk’. Plus, no carrying luggage back and forth on trains. Trains are fine, but I prefer to drive when that is reasonable (cost/distance wise). We drove 2,700kms in France last summer and quite enjoyed it.
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Post #32 by Dog » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:36 pm

Dog wrote:I like the drive. You feel insulated in the train, end up reading and shit. Driving, you stop here and there and I find get an interesting peak at the lives of ´the regular folk’. Plus, no carrying luggage back and forth on trains. Trains are fine, but I prefer to drive when that is reasonable (cost/distance wise). We drove 2,700kms in France last summer and quite enjoyed it.


I just killed my dream of having hf4 come along with us on trips.

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Post #33 by Boring Choice #2 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:42 pm

dream or no dream, i don't think it's any less likely.
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Post #34 by AD » Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:07 pm

Have to agree with Big D.
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Post #35 by MP » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:35 pm

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Dog wrote:I like the drive. You feel insulated in the train, end up reading and shit. Driving, you stop here and there and I find get an interesting peak at the lives of ´the regular folk’. Plus, no carrying luggage back and forth on trains. Trains are fine, but I prefer to drive when that is reasonable (cost/distance wise). We drove 2,700kms in France last summer and quite enjoyed it.


I just killed my dream of having hf4 come along with us on trips.

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You drive and pay for his train. He gets there, checks in, books the prostitute(s) and setup dinner reservations, while you take the scenic routes and side trips...
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Dog wrote:I like the drive. You feel insulated in the train, end up reading and shit. Driving, you stop here and there and I find get an interesting peak at the lives of ´the regular folk’. Plus, no carrying luggage back and forth on trains. Trains are fine, but I prefer to drive when that is reasonable (cost/distance wise). We drove 2,700kms in France last summer and quite enjoyed it.


I just killed my dream of having hf4 come along with us on trips.

:why:

You drive and pay for his train. He gets there, checks in, books the prostitute(s) and setup dinner reservations, while you take the scenic routes and side trips...


They prefer to be called escorts.

I’d travel with the Dog or adjacent to the Dog. He just needs to cover my expenses.

Dog - I’ll send a list of my approved hotels and restaurants.
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Dog wrote:I like the drive. You feel insulated in the train, end up reading and shit. Driving, you stop here and there and I find get an interesting peak at the lives of ´the regular folk’. Plus, no carrying luggage back and forth on trains. Trains are fine, but I prefer to drive when that is reasonable (cost/distance wise). We drove 2,700kms in France last summer and quite enjoyed it.


I just killed my dream of having hf4 come along with us on trips.

:why:

You drive and pay for his train. He gets there, checks in, books the prostitute(s) and setup dinner reservations, while you take the scenic routes and side trips...


This is what awaits me when i die and go to heaven.
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Post #38 by Dog » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:09 pm

Wait, do they have Europe in heaven?

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