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Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:28 pm
by clawfirst
Its a small area and if i ever get off this show ill fix whatever he did

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:41 pm
by vonbonds
Ain't love grand?

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:23 pm
by Craig
I'm like, good at this or whatever.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:23 pm
by Craig
Just really, really slow.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:26 pm
by clawfirst
Yeah its really not hard if you are patient and have opposable thumbs. Even drywallers can do it.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:30 pm
by Dog
I'm good but slow and innefficient at it too!

:superghey:

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:49 pm
by Craig
It is a messy pain in the nuts though.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:51 pm
by clawfirst
Measure...subtract 1/4...put the shit on. . Drink a beer..repeat.

I dont mind doing it..hard on the liver tho

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:52 pm
by Craig
Measure? What?

I just slop it on the wall.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:55 pm
by clawfirst
Also acceptable. The only one doing it wrong is dog. That slow shit wont fly

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:58 pm
by clawfirst
As i said to my mechanic friend when he couldnt figure out how to cap the hip into the ridge when shingling. " too smart and over quilified"

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:22 pm
by Ricard_Persson
Craig wrote:I'm like, good at this or whatever.


I 100% believe you are. I don't know you, but know who you are. I see it working for other people all the time. There are different types of homeowners. You're educated, detailed and can be hands-on. Will read online and watch youtube to learn the process of something and once confident that it's understood, you'll find your materials and take your time and in the end do a pretty darn good job at it.


Doing drywall full-time is another story. There's a reason that 85% of dry-wallers are drunks or drug addicts. The other 15% are both.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:19 pm
by Dog
You're grossly overestimating intellectual types. We can prep all we want in our heads, still doesn't mean we can do it. Not necessarily a manual capacity thing, more a lack of experience thing. Shit goes wrong all the time when doing renos and you need to have seen it/seen similar before to adequately work through it. Makes me want to burn the place down, most of the time (that was back when I still tried).

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:19 pm
by MP
I don't mind putting up board, or mudding & taping, it's the bloody sanding and the dust that drives me crazy.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:21 pm
by MP
Dog wrote:You're grossly overestimating intellectual types. We can prep all we want in our heads, still doesn't mean we can do it. Not necessarily a manual capacity thing, more a lack of experience thing. Shit goes wrong all the time when doing renos and you need to have seen it/seen similar before to adequately work through it. Makes me want to burn the place down, most of the time (that was back when I still tried).

So an irrational fear of screwing up something a high school dropout is capable of doing?

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:27 pm
by Dog
MP wrote:
Dog wrote:You're grossly overestimating intellectual types. We can prep all we want in our heads, still doesn't mean we can do it. Not necessarily a manual capacity thing, more a lack of experience thing. Shit goes wrong all the time when doing renos and you need to have seen it/seen similar before to adequately work through it. Makes me want to burn the place down, most of the time (that was back when I still tried).

So an irrational fear of screwing up something a high school dropout is capable of doing?


Yes, informed by a general dislike for manual labour that dictates that I don't put in the required effort/time to learn.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:30 pm
by Dog
The fact that the work is largely done by high school dropouts is a big part of the problem. Every field has incompetence, but incompetence in construction seems to be very high. Relatively hard to hire a non-idiot -for work I don't like to do.

But, yes, at my level an experienced idiot > me for most tasks.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:33 pm
by Dog
Could be a "type of intelligence" thing too. I know a few that couldn't do well in school but are very anal/good at manual work. I'm not much of a "process" intelligence type. More of a "concept" guy. If that's a thing.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:38 pm
by AD
Dog wrote:Could be a "type of intelligence" thing too. I know a few that couldn't do well in school but are very anal/good at manual work. I'm not much of a "process" intelligence type. More of a "concept" guy. If that's a thing.


You don't say.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:40 pm
by Dog
AD wrote:
Dog wrote:Could be a "type of intelligence" thing too. I know a few that couldn't do well in school but are very anal/good at manual work. I'm not much of a "process" intelligence type. More of a "concept" guy. If that's a thing.


You don't say.


I'm a lawyer that doesn't know how to sue somebody.

:why:

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:46 pm
by MP
So the problem is with "the doing" part?

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:56 pm
by Dog
MP wrote:So the problem is with "the doing" part?


I'd make a great teacher!

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:00 pm
by Dog
I mean, I do stuff. But it has to be intellectual/conceptual. Talk to me about process and my eyes glaze over.

I blame the undiagnosed low level/borderline add.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:02 pm
by Dog
My daughter appears to be the same. We're both wonderfully disconnected from the practical world. My wife is wonderfully practical. We're the majority of the household now.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:48 pm
by Zardoz
So twice this month we've had record rainfall and twice our basement has been sweating up through the cracks... A small amount of water that I simply mop up.
The house is 100 this year, don't think I'll bother with a sump or any digging down there. Sometimes it's better to just mop shit up twice a year. Not like it's sewage.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:50 pm
by clawfirst
Too logical. We should have dog decide the next course of action

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:13 pm
by Dog
OMG!

BURN IT ALL DOWN!!!! How can you tolerate it??!

You are not human.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:14 pm
by Zardoz
At least I didn't mention the bucket in my attic catching rain water. That one is just because I have no money though... :(

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:22 pm
by Dog
Join me in my war on water, Zardox (sp?).

The world will be a better place without it. It's simply too dangerous to leave it around.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:39 pm
by clawfirst
Have you gone up on the roof to look around for an obvious entry point?..i assume you have and its all old and fucked and impossible to tell

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:40 pm
by clawfirst
Buy a tarp and nail it to fucked roof

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:41 pm
by Dog
Don't nails create holes?

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:42 pm
by clawfirst
Dog wrote:Don't nails create holes?

New tight holes.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:43 pm
by Dog
*AD faints*

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:44 pm
by clawfirst
Tarp. 2x. Spike into rafter. Actual roof asap

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:46 pm
by clawfirst
Unless the bucket is fine... But if thats the case its one entry point and you may be able to half assed repair with one stack of shingles,,,careful removal and tucking

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:58 pm
by Zardoz
Yeah, I've weighed a few options. The roof is way to high for me to get on. Around 30 feet. The shingles are about 10 years old so when I'm done my program and get a contract I'll worry about it (august). I wouldn't mind having someone sheet some ply up there over the plank or something.

Luckily it's a walk up attic that I can access every time it's raining and check the drip. Its very localized. Good airflow up there, so no rot or anything. Just a pain is all.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:02 pm
by clawfirst
Depends. Plank is actually really good if not all rotton. Sounds like it isnt insulated...lol

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:04 pm
by clawfirst
Borrow or rent a 40' extension ladder

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:19 pm
by Zardoz
I will this summer. It's vintage insulation. As in no insulation. Basically open rafters with blown in pink stuff between the rafters to insulate our upstairs. Incredibly efficient house. Our funace barely has to work, and our downstairs is double brick so even on hot days it stays cool until around 1pm and then the a.c. kicks in.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:02 pm
by Zardoz
Good to know about the planks, Claw. I usually assume older is better on account of the Heritage work I was doing. I just thought I'd get better strength and less risk of puncture out of ply.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:13 pm
by clawfirst
Nah. Plank is great. It breathes. It is spaced for expansion.

If you do need to change some. Rip 3/4(or whatever matches thickness) into plank and use that for repair.

But i reject the current tight build mantra. That envelope rots from inside out. Its just the law.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:12 am
by Craig
[*]
MP wrote:I don't mind putting up board, or mudding & taping, it's the bloody sanding and the dust that drives me crazy.


I agree. The worst part about doing this myself is it takes so long for me to get through the three cycles of sanding. By the time I'm done we'll have lived through two weeks if dusty bullshit.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:04 pm
by Ricard_Persson
Get an orange tarp, something bright. Something obvious. Neighbors will love it, you'll drop their assessed property tax value.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:20 pm
by Split Scrotum
Craig wrote:[*]
MP wrote:I don't mind putting up board, or mudding & taping, it's the bloody sanding and the dust that drives me crazy.


I agree. The worst part about doing this myself is it takes so long for me to get through the three cycles of sanding. By the time I'm done we'll have lived through two weeks if dusty bullshit.


3 cycles of sanding?! How much mud are you putting on?

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:21 pm
by Dog
Yeah. Just 3 cycles? You're like a pro!

Re: RE: Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:32 pm
by Zardoz
Ricard_Persson wrote:Get an orange tarp, something bright. Something obvious. Neighbors will love it, you'll drop their assessed property tax value.

My neighbours are already working hard to devalue our homes... Their yard is where tent trailers and broken patio furniture goes to die.

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:20 pm
by AD
clawfirst wrote:New tight holes.


*faints*

Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:49 pm
by vonbonds
AD wrote:
clawfirst wrote:New tight holes.


*faints*

Image

Re: RE: Re: Homeownership Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:32 pm
by clawfirst
Zardoz wrote:
Ricard_Persson wrote:Get an orange tarp, something bright. Something obvious. Neighbors will love it, you'll drop their assessed property tax value.

My neighbours are already working hard to devalue our homes... Their yard is where tent trailers and broken patio furniture goes to die.

Salvaged tent trailer canvass it is.

I never said it would look good. But if done clean it can look "under construction" till it fades in the sun.