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Post #51 by Dog » Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:07 pm

You guys climb Fuji? Wondering whether it's worth ditching the family for a day to do that.
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Post #52 by AD » Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:34 pm

Honmura an in Roppongi is good restaurant. Lauderdale for western fare is as well. Both reasonable by Tokyo standards.

Food is generally good. Any Yakitori or sushi I've had anywhere has kicked ass.
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Post #53 by MP » Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:51 pm

Dog wrote:Kid travels really well. Miyajima is meant as a nice ryokan relaxing retreat. Looking for a good place to spend a few days in spa like / nature surrounded ryokan.

Hiroshima will be hard to explain to a 6 year old. May have walk around town but will skip museum and other graphic bomb related stuff (don't feel like explaining the concept of war and the fact that people dropped a bomb that destroyed a whole city quite just yet).

Go to Fukushima instead.
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Post #54 by PredsFan77 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:56 pm

I thought Miyajima was overtly touristy, so maybe not the best place for a relaxing time, especially when it is warm.

Fuji is clouded up 95% of the time, so not exactly sure if it would be worth it if that is the case but not the best source.

Ditto what nana said, the food and the people are the best part of Japan you won't have a bad meal, even at the train stations.

One day just stroll down to the fish market and eat from the street vendors, amazing amazing stuff. Ippudo is ginza was solid. But ramen is a dime a dozen there. Bento boxes are awesome when riding the trains around. Get one at the station before you leave.

I didn't do much beta for Japan alps, but would probably be pretty cool. I mean you certainly could do the extra days in Tokyo, you could live there years and not experience the whole place. Kyoto you'll probably tire of looking at shrines and temples after 5 days.
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Post #55 by Dog » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:15 pm

How is Shinjuku as a base in Tokyo?
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Post #56 by Dog » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:16 pm

Booked flight with Japan Airlines June 28-July 13. Now all I have to do is figure out what to do during that time.
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Post #57 by PredsFan77 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:32 pm

Dog wrote:How is Shinjuku as a base in Tokyo?


Solid, just remember the red light district is in the area. You can re-live lost in translation at the Park Hyatt there. I looked at staying in Shinjuku, Shibuya, and Ginza. Airbnb is a bit cheaper if you want to go that route. I assume you know about getting the JR Rail pass, too?
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Post #58 by Dog » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:36 pm

Yeah, will get 7 day rail pass for after Tokyo stay. Cheers.
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Post #59 by R-66Y » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:27 am

Rokurinsha. Mail me ramen. I will pay you handsomely
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Post #60 by R-66Y » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:29 am

Also, buy some really nice knives while you're there. And I second the robot sex. It's top notch
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Post #61 by AD » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:08 pm

Dog wrote:How is Shinjuku as a base in Tokyo?


I would suggest anywhere with really close access to the Hibiya Train line. (The grey one) or the loop line (the green one).

All bases are good in the sense that this is a huge motherfocking city so you will want to go to 6-7 hoods over a week or so and as long as you are near trains, you're fine.

Otherwise, Shinjuku is (one of) the business and red light districts. So yeah..

Roppongi is expensive but calmer. Shibuya is busier. Ginza is too expensive. Asakusa is out of the way but more authentic. Akihabara is all about anime and electronics but also well positioned.

Coming back, I'd aim for somewhere near Tokyo station. Especially if I want to do a couple of day trips.
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Post #62 by Dog » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:48 pm

Arigatto!

Hokane worth it? Even if I also spend a day climbing Fuji while wife/daughter shop? I know it's cloudy/volcanic ash, but still think the 7-10 hour trek up is worth the experience.

Nikko worth it? Thinking of skipping it as will see plenty of temples in Kyoto/Nara.

Still debating whether heading down to Miyajima overnight from Kyoto is worth the 3h30 train ride each way. Have the time, but wondering if there are better options. Comments on Miyajima? Other suggestions?

Still looking for a nice ryokan with kick ass meal / authentic experience. Prices are crazy stupid, but would bite the bullet for night or two if really worth it. Anybody stay in nice ryokan? Comments?

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Post #63 by AD » Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:01 am

I'm doing Nikko and Hakone next time. Totes worth it from everything I hear.

My translator lived in Miyajima and says good things. But he's from Quebec City so take that with a grain of salt.
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Post #64 by Dog » Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:38 am

I'd do Nikko if I wasn't doing Kyoto/Nara. Seems redundant. Lemme know about Hakone. Heard it was very touristy and whatnot and I'll be going to climb Fuji itself, so figure hakone for the views not worth it. Views are meant to be better in winter, though, so you'll probably get nice views of Fuji. Can you be a dear and take 12 hours to climb Fuji and come back down and let me know your thoughts?
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Post #65 by AD » Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:42 pm

No. Plus people tell me Fuji's a dump.

And Hakone is good for the hot springs. Views are secondary.
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Post #66 by Dog » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:10 pm

Views are are secondary in the hot springs?
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Post #67 by AD » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:12 am

To not in.
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Post #68 by PredsFan77 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:44 pm

Naners is right about being near Tokyo station. That's part of the reason I stayed in Ginza. Miyajima is ok. It's neat to see but I wouldn't go back and I can only imagine how annoying it would be in the tourist season. Also you might want to consider staying the first night in Narita rather than making the slog to Tokyo. I was pretty destroyed getting off the plane, then the 55 minute train ride to boot. I have some solid food places to suggest there as well.

Next time I'm in Japan planning on going to Hokkaido and go rip some of that cold pow.
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Post #69 by Dog » Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:07 pm

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Post #70 by AD » Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:20 am

Travel through Haneda any time you can. It's worth the extra 100$ in ticket prices because it's a cheaper (and much shorter ride) into the city.
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Post #71 by Dog » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:43 am

Booked through Narita.

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Post #72 by AD » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:31 pm

Still ok. I wouldn't take a room there. Bite the bullet and go into town. What's another hour after 13 hours of air travel.

Take the Narita express into Tokyo station. Not the regular. The express is 20 minutes faster.
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Post #73 by Dog » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:47 pm

Had read that. We arrive at 3pm, so was thinking of heading into the city anywho. My daughter loves planes. She'll get her money's worth. Mtl-Dallas / Dallas-Tokyo on the way there and Tokyo-Chicago/Chicago-Mtl on return. The Tokyo flights will be on Japan Airlines Dreamliners which have the best room in economy in the industry I've read (and why I took those flights).
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Post #74 by MP » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:54 pm

Dog wrote:Had read that. We arrive at 3pm, so was thinking of heading into the city anywho. My daughter loves planes. She'll get her money's worth. Mtl-Dallas / Dallas-Tokyo on the way there and Tokyo-Chicago/Chicago-Mtl on return. The Tokyo flights will be on Japan Airlines Dreamliners which have the best room in economy in the industry I've read (and why I took those flights).


Isn't that just because the Japanese people are short?
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Post #75 by Dog » Tue Feb 16, 2016 4:26 pm

Point being?
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Post #76 by Dog » Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:27 pm

You boys been to Himeji castle?
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Post #77 by AD » Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:34 am

I took the ANA Dreamliner flight. But I was in business. Quite comfortable.
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Post #78 by Dog » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:04 am

Did your translator enjoy coach?

Us poor working class folk have to settle for economy when flying our family out to Japan. The JAL Dreamliner has 8 seats accross in econ (instead of usual 9). Bit wider and bit more leg room. Makes a difference when sitting there for 13 hours (after a first connecting flight).
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Post #79 by PredsFan77 » Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:46 am

Dallas to Tokyo is a looong flight. That's the one I did as well. If I had to do it over again I'd stay in narita, regroup and get your bearings. Especially with a kid in tow.
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Post #80 by Dog » Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:37 am

It's an hour from Narita to downtown? We arrive around 3 pm local time (middle ofvthevnight here). Ideally, want to stay up until at least early evening to adjust to local time. Would definitely stay in Narita with evening arrival but with pm arrival, think it makes sense to stretch it out a bit and get sleep pattern aligned with local time.
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Post #81 by AD » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:35 am

Agreed with dog.

My translator looked like he was about to die when he disembarked. But I didn't really ask him how it was.
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Post #82 by Murphy » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:11 pm

Dog wrote:You boys been to Himeji castle?


Yeah, it was underwhelming.
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Post #83 by Dog » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:44 pm

Murphy wrote:
Dog wrote:You boys been to Himeji castle?


Yeah, it was underwhelming.


Good to know. Thx.
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Post #84 by Dog » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:49 am

Looks like we'll be going to Takayama in the Jap alps over Miyajima. Staying in onsen ryokan. Looks to be a quaint/traditional little resort town.
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Post #85 by habfan4 » Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:42 pm

Dog wrote:How is Shinjuku as a base in Tokyo?


I presume you'll be in the business end (Nishi-Shinjuku) and not in Kabuki-Cho. :danson:

I've stayed in Ginza, Shibuya and Shinjuku, prefer Shinjuku. The hotel I stay at has a shuttle to Shinjuku station or you can walk it in about 15 minutes.
Regardless, Tokyo's transportation system is the best in the world so even if you're a little out of the way it makes little to no difference.
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Post #86 by Dog » Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:51 pm

I booked right by Shinbashi station on Yamanote line, per banana recommendation.
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Post #87 by habfan4 » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:07 pm

Dog wrote:I booked right by Shinbashi station on Yamanote line, per banana recommendation.


Handy and you're not far from Tokyo station which makes it easy to get anywhere.
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Post #88 by AD » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:12 pm

I recommended that. I did good, right 4? Hunh? Hunh?

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Post #89 by Dog » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:20 pm

Yes, also, 4!

Where you been?!
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Post #90 by habfan4 » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:24 pm

AD wrote:I recommended that. I did good, right 4? Hunh? Hunh?

(How are you but the way?)


You did well AD, proximity to the Yamanote line is a good thing. If Dog's plans are still largely the same he could save himself some headache and take the Yamanote line to Shinagawa as opposed to Tokyo Stn when he catches the train to Kyoto.

I've been alright, busy as hell and no vacation the past 7 months, but otherwise fine. You?
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Post #91 by Dog » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:32 pm

Yeah same plans.

Tokyo 6 nights
Kyoto 5 nights (incl day trip to Nara and travel day from tokyo)
Takayama 2 nights (onsen ryokan in mountains)
Tokyo 1 night
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Post #92 by Dog » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:33 pm

Also, I am well.

Thanks for asking nanners and not me.
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Post #93 by habfan4 » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:49 pm

Dog wrote:Also, I am well.

Thanks for asking nanners and not me.


I didn't see your post, I was composing a reply Mr. Sensitive.

Dog wrote:Yeah same plans.

Tokyo 6 nights
Kyoto 5 nights (incl day trip to Nara and travel day from tokyo)
Takayama 2 nights (onsen ryokan in mountains)
Tokyo 1 night


6 days in Tokyo should give you time to get around and get a feel for the city. The place is so massive you can't possibly do everything on a first visit (no matter how long you stay).

Kyoto is all about UNESCO sites (shrines and temples) on the plus side most are in the hills/mountains around the city so you can escape the summer heat. It's also much more manageable than Tokyo so most people prefer it. Where are you staying in Kyoto?

Mind your kids around the deer in Nara, they're not aggressive but they can be a little pushy, particularly if you have food.

Is the ryokan traditional? Breakfast and kaiseki dinner included? Or modern/western where only the room is Japanese style and the rest is a hotel. You should be able to get a room with a private onsen.
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Post #94 by AD » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:53 pm

You haven't travelled in 7 months? Are you ok?
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Post #95 by habfan4 » Wed Mar 23, 2016 3:59 pm

AD wrote:You haven't travelled in 7 months? Are you ok?


I was in Niagara on the Lake a couple of weekends ago and will be in Ottawa this weekend but none of the usual globetrotting. There was a shake up at the firm last summer, so I was obliged to cancel my summer vacation. Once the dust settled my boss was invited to look for employment elsewhere which fucked up my Christmas/New Year plans. On the plus side I've got a tonne of time banked.
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Post #96 by Dog » Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:04 pm

habfan4 wrote:
Dog wrote:Also, I am well.

Thanks for asking nanners and not me.


I didn't see your post, I was composing a reply Mr. Sensitive.

Dog wrote:Yeah same plans.

Tokyo 6 nights
Kyoto 5 nights (incl day trip to Nara and travel day from tokyo)
Takayama 2 nights (onsen ryokan in mountains)
Tokyo 1 night


6 days in Tokyo should give you time to get around and get a feel for the city. The place is so massive you can't possibly do everything on a first visit (no matter how long you stay).

Kyoto is all about UNESCO sites (shrines and temples) on the plus side most are in the hills/mountains around the city so you can escape the summer heat. It's also much more manageable than Tokyo so most people prefer it. Where are you staying in Kyoto?

Mind your kids around the deer in Nara, they're not aggressive but they can be a little pushy, particularly if you have food.

Is the ryokan traditional? Breakfast and kaiseki dinner included? Or modern/western where only the room is Japanese style and the rest is a hotel. You should be able to get a room with a private onsen.


Haven't booked Kyoto yet.

Ryokan is traditional with breakfast and Kaiseki dinner/private onsen. Exorbitant cost, but hey YOLO. Amirite?
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Post #97 by AD » Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:04 pm

Come to my firm. Loose hours. Good pay. Travel opportunities.
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Post #98 by AD » Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:04 pm

That was aimed at 4, obvos. Not the Dog.
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Post #99 by Dog » Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:06 pm

obvs.
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Post #100 by Dog » Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:06 pm

wait, what?

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