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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #301 by MP » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:15 am

I just checked the rule book, if you don't have a pick it goes to the following year. MAW's next 2nd isn't available till 2020...hardly seems a punishment.

We need to fix that.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #302 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:28 am

PredsFan77 wrote:Should be the next highest pick. No one wants those shitty 3rd and 4th rounders


Great. I'll take a few.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #303 by Craig » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:32 am

MP wrote:Also, what should happen if one has to forfeit a 1st, but doesn't own one?


They're a garbage GM, for starters.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #304 by MP » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:40 am

As there are loose rules in place, we'll have to stick to those for last season.

Next year, I propose to change them to the following:

If you forfeit a pick due to minimum GP not being met, and you do not own a pick of that round by the start of the draft. You forfeit your next pick higher pick from the preceding round(s). If it is a 1st forfeited, you forfeit your highest pick, plus your next available 1st in following years.

Anyone have a problem with that change for thus coming season?
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Post #305 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:49 pm

MP wrote:As there are loose rules in place, we'll have to stick to those for last season.

Next year, I propose to change them to the following:

If you forfeit a pick due to minimum GP not being met, and you do not own a pick of that round by the start of the draft. You forfeit your next pick higher pick from the preceding round(s). If it is a 1st forfeited, you forfeit your highest pick, plus your next available 1st in following years.

Anyone have a problem with that change for thus coming season?


I think the main problem with this rule - and I am not saying this just to be difficult or anything - is that most GMs that cause dereliction are those that don't care (or don't care enough). So even though, in theory, this rule punishes them it also hurts the league's parity and indirectly punishes any new potential GM who takes over a derelict team.

I think the question we should ask is: does this rule provide a deterrent for dereliction? I am not convinced. Maybe the punishment should be lighter, not heavier.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #306 by MP » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:52 pm

If you derelict your team, your punishment is you get the boot. New GM's don't get penalized.
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Post #307 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:53 pm

MP wrote:If you derelict your team, your punishment is you get the boot. New GM's don't get penalized.


They do get penalized down the line because they inherit a bad team made worse by the penalties.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #308 by MP » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm

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MP wrote:If you derelict your team, your punishment is you get the boot. New GM's don't get penalized.


They do get penalized down the line because they inherit a bad team made worse by the penalties.

Penalties are waived for the new GM as per the rulebook.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #309 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:56 pm

An idea: A derelict team's pick could be taken away, but given back upon improvement in performance. We could call this a suspended pick.

For example, the GM might lose a first rounder in this draft (2017), but gain the 1st rounder back the following year (2018) and end up with two first rounders.

It would be an incentive, but would require that we keep tabs. There could be some controversy about where the pick would go in the order (e.g., a suspended pick could always be top-3 protected).
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #310 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:56 pm

MP wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:
MP wrote:If you derelict your team, your punishment is you get the boot. New GM's don't get penalized.


They do get penalized down the line because they inherit a bad team made worse by the penalties.

Penalties are waived for the new GM as per the rulebook.


Only the recent penalties, not those accrued from past years.

For the record, I'm okay with anything you do, but wanted to share my thoughts.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #311 by MP » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:59 pm

From the Rule book:

"If that particular draft pick has already been traded, the same draft pick for the following year will be surrendered. If you inherit a team, you do not inherit the previous owner's damages from the preceding season. "

Although they should not have been included in the lotto. So I now have to review the lotto standings.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #312 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:04 pm

MP wrote:From the Rule book:

"If that particular draft pick has already been traded, the same draft pick for the following year will be surrendered. If you inherit a team, you do not inherit the previous owner's damages from the preceding season. "

Although they should not have been included in the lotto. So I now have to review the lotto standings.


Yes, but my point is that the rule cumulatively worsens an already bad team, not just in the short term. So if a team loses a pick in 2015, the new GM in 2017 will not get it back. Maybe he should?

And wouldn't it be nice to incentivize NJ to work a bit harder and get his pick back? No offense, NJ.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #313 by MP » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:06 pm

Ahh I see where you are going now.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #314 by Sailor Man » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:12 pm

yeah gimme my fucking pick back, since I added defense to make minimum games and I still got no fucking idea why they were dropped from my team, then I wound up checking in over a week later and I was fucked in the ass on my minimum games. I didn't see any deadline and I was goddamn Dean Martin and Miles Davis' love-child with my salary cap.

I don't need my hand held and be warned every time, but since I don't dwell here too often other than a quick glance at the fantasy league board I wouldn't mind having the rule where there's a deadline on adding a few scrubs to make min games... or at least the subsection and appendices pointed out for my thick, beach-dwelling ass.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #315 by Balki Bartokomous » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:09 pm

The fuck is going on here
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #316 by Craig » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:15 pm

The min games thing is pointless now that we rank on average points for the draft anyway.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #317 by Dr_Chimera » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:36 pm

MP is a tough love conservative.
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Post #318 by cawbber » Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:32 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:MP is a tough love conservative.

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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #319 by MP » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:12 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:MP is a tough love conservative.

I still think making the minimums is important, but I'm wondering if instead of losing the pick outright, the pick just gets moved to last pick of that particular round?
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #320 by MP » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:15 pm

We also need to settle contraction format if we need it next year or in the future. My vote is they all get dumped into the entry draft, others think a separate draft with random draft order?
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Post #321 by Dr_Chimera » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:18 pm

MP wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:MP is a tough love conservative.

I still think making the minimums is important, but I'm wondering if instead of losing the pick outright, the pick just gets moved to last pick of that particular round?


Up to you. As hope as people are happy.

MP wrote:We also need to settle contraction format if we need it next year or in the future. My vote is they all get dumped into the entry draft, others think a separate draft with random draft order?


I think most of us prefer separate drafts. I think I started a poll on this, but only some voted.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #322 by Craig » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:32 pm

MP wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:MP is a tough love conservative.

I still think making the minimums is important, but I'm wondering if instead of losing the pick outright, the pick just gets moved to last pick of that particular round?


The minimums accomplish nothing.
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Post #323 by cawbber » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:36 pm

MP wrote:We also need to settle contraction format if we need it next year or in the future. My vote is they all get dumped into the entry draft, others think a separate draft with random draft order?

I'm fine with one draft if we decide now. People won't be left without early picks due trades in a soft draft year.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #324 by Dr_Chimera » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:37 pm

Separate drafts reward bad teams more. I prefer that. Parity is good.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #325 by mayoradamwest » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:44 pm

I'll take a pick in something, also I would like to trade this pick.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #326 by MP » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:15 pm

Craig wrote:
MP wrote:
Dr_Chimera wrote:MP is a tough love conservative.

I still think making the minimums is important, but I'm wondering if instead of losing the pick outright, the pick just gets moved to last pick of that particular round?


The minimums accomplish nothing.

Minimums mean you actually have to ice a team under the cap which does make it more difficult to tank. Not impossible, but more difficult.

Also icing a proper team is kinda the point of being in a pool.
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Post #327 by cawbber » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:27 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:Separate drafts reward me more. I prefer that. I rule.
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Post #328 by Balki Bartokomous » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:14 pm

Yes we need separate drafts. A contraction draft in the real world would work that way.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #329 by Craig » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:14 am

MP wrote:
Craig wrote:
MP wrote:I still think making the minimums is important, but I'm wondering if instead of losing the pick outright, the pick just gets moved to last pick of that particular round?


The minimums accomplish nothing.

Minimums mean you actually have to ice a team under the cap which does make it more difficult to tank. Not impossible, but more difficult.

Also icing a proper team is kinda the point of being in a pool.


It does not. Picking up scrubs to hit the minimum is the best way to tank anyway, missing the minimums by only playing to handful of talented youngsters you have won't result in an abysmal PPG. Free plugs off the waiver wire will.
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #330 by Balki Bartokomous » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:19 am

Craig wrote:
MP wrote:
Craig wrote:
The minimums accomplish nothing.

Minimums mean you actually have to ice a team under the cap which does make it more difficult to tank. Not impossible, but more difficult.

Also icing a proper team is kinda the point of being in a pool.


It does not. Picking up scrubs to hit the minimum is the best way to tank anyway, missing the minimums by only playing to handful of talented youngsters you have won't result in an abysmal PPG. Free plugs off the waiver wire will.


I did that to reach mine. You're right
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Re: Offseason Annual General Managers Meeting

Post #331 by Dr_Chimera » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:39 am

Craig wrote:It does not. Picking up scrubs to hit the minimum is the best way to tank anyway, missing the minimums by only playing to handful of talented youngsters you have won't result in an abysmal PPG. Free plugs off the waiver wire will.


Dereliction should not be rewarded. I'm with MP on this, although penalties can be adjusted.

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