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Post #201 by cawbber » Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:40 pm

Indrew wrote:I think the old penalties are fine, but maybe we could add:

Failure to reach the minimum GP in any category prevents you from being eligible for the draft lottery


that could work.
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Post #202 by MP » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:11 pm

Just spit balling, but another penalty could be dropping drafting positions instead of losing picks...

I.e., miss GP by 5 games, drop 5 draft positions.
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Post #203 by MP » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:12 pm

cob wrote:that could work.


There's no incentive once you trade your pick though.
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Post #204 by HS » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:19 pm

I don't knkw what is going on, but I disagree with whatever MP is trying to enforce.
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Post #205 by MP » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:21 pm

HS wrote:I don't knkw what is going on, but I disagree with whatever MP is trying to enforce.


Not trying to enforce anything. Just trying talking options to root out tanking, as a number of GM's have requested.

Although a vote for which Min GP you'd prefer would be appreciated.
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Post #206 by MP » Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:02 am

Lifer wrote:I don't think the problem is solved with GP minimums.

What about a maximum number of greens that can be on your NHL roster?


Or that greens can only be on the active roster if you don't have another eligible player to fill the spot?
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Post #207 by MP » Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:11 am

Another option is no active green flags unless your pace for that position shown in the min/max is positive.
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Post #208 by IcE ColD » Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:18 am

MP wrote:Or that greens can only be on the active roster if you don't have another eligible player to fill the spot?


MP wrote:Another option is no active green flags unless your pace for that position shown in the min/max is positive.


I like both of those.
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Post #209 by Craig » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:46 am

MP wrote:Or that greens can only be on the active roster if you don't have another eligible player to fill the spot?


This makes a lot of sense. I'd ban the use of green flags in roster spots entirely, if it weren't necessary from time to time to keep rosters legal.
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Post #210 by MP » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:52 am

Craig wrote:This makes a lot of sense. I'd ban the use of green flags in roster spots entirely, if it weren't necessary from time to time to keep rosters legal.


Well, if you get way ahead on you pace, I think green flags could been seen as acceptable way to play only your better players. So my preference is:

Green flags can only be active provided your pace is positive for that position or you have no other reserve/multi-positional player that could fill that position.
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Post #211 by MP » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:55 am

In terms of enforcement, I'd say if you get called on it, you must fix your roster ASAP or justify the use. If not, the commissioner will do it, and the green flag player will go to the waiver wire instead of the farm.
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Post #212 by HS » Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:15 pm

MP wrote:In terms of enforcement, I'd say if you get called on it, you must fix your roster ASAP or justify the use. If not, the commissioner will do it, and the green flag player will go to the waiver wire instead of the farm.


No, I disagree with that. There are times I will intentionally bench an active player to avoid a bad matchup.
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Post #213 by cawbber » Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:43 pm

HS wrote:No, I disagree with that. There are times I will intentionally bench an active player to avoid a bad matchup.


with an inactive player?
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Post #214 by HS » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:50 pm

cob wrote:with an inactive player?


Depends if I have one or not. I'm not going to waste waiver priority on a random scrub just to meet the requirements if I can use a green flagged player.
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Post #215 by HS » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:32 pm

I think it's absurd we're changing the rules when it was the commissioner who purposely started what he is trying to change -- I don't like this at all.
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Post #216 by VLoo » Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:39 pm

I think it's absurd a bunch of people were dicks and now we have to address it for a fantasy hockey game.
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Post #217 by Craig » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:11 pm

Lifer wrote:Which is why we're trying to change the rule.


That's not why we're trying to change the rules, are we? This is about curtailing blatant tanking, not making you use a waiver slot because you don't like a matchup that night. What HS is talking about is him trying to get more points, not less.
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Post #218 by Craig » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:11 pm

VLoo wrote:I think it's absurd a bunch of people were dicks and now we have to address it for a fantasy hockey game.


I asked if it was kosher before I did it. :colbert:
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Post #219 by cawbber » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:14 pm

HS wrote:Depends if I have one or not. I'm not going to waste waiver priority on a random scrub just to meet the requirements if I can use a green flagged player.


I don't think that's the way these slots should be used. If you want to to have "matchup options" then have a larger active roster. Using minor league guys in place of legit players seems wrong to me.
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Post #220 by cawbber » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:15 pm

Craig wrote:That's not why we're trying to change the rules, are we? This is about curtailing blatant tanking, not making you use a waiver slot because you don't like a matchup that night. What HS is talking about is him trying to get more points, not less.


Either way, it's shady, IMO.

If you have zero options and need to fill out your roster to make it legal I get that, otherwise I'm not a fan.
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Post #221 by Bow Tie » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:18 pm

VLoo wrote:I think it's absurd a bunch of people were dicks and now we have to address it for a fantasy hockey game.
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Post #222 by HS » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:36 pm

Then I'd just pick up enforcers and tank again. What's the point in not having roster flexibility because someone's sensibilities were offended?
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Post #223 by cawbber » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:38 pm

HS wrote:Then I'd just pick up enforcers and tank again. What's the point in not having roster flexibility because someone's sensibilities were offended?


If you want to waste a roster spot on an enforcer then so be it. At the end of the day, we can't stop you from being a complete douche.
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Post #224 by MP » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:42 pm

HS wrote:I think it's absurd we're changing the rules when it was the commissioner who purposely started what he is trying to change -- I don't like this at all.


Co-commissioner.

But really, I couldn't care less if we change anything. I'm just proposing options based on a consensus that we needed to do something.
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Post #225 by HS » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:59 pm

cob wrote:If you want to waste a roster spot on an enforcer then so be it. At the end of the day, we can't stop you from being a complete douche.


I like how you think I'm the douche, but neglect to take stock of your own attitude.

I dislike the proposed changes for the reason that it removes roster flexibility and potentially cripples teams with injury issues. In addition, we should be able to hoard on prospects. I'd venture for every great prospect we have, 20 of them end up being useless in our league.
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Post #226 by MP » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:01 pm

HS wrote:I like how you think I'm the douche, but neglect to take stock of your own attitude.

I dislike the proposed changes for the reason that it removes roster flexibility and potentially cripples teams with injury issues. In addition, we should be able to hoard on prospects. I'd venture for every great prospect we have, 20 of them end up being useless in our league.


My prospects are all awesome.

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Post #227 by cawbber » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:04 pm

HS wrote:I like how you think I'm the douche, but neglect to take stock of your own attitude.

I dislike the proposed changes for the reason that it removes roster flexibility and potentially cripples teams with injury issues. In addition, we should be able to hoard on prospects. I'd venture for every great prospect we have, 20 of them end up being useless in our league.


My attitude is just fine, thanks. Obviously some people here take issue in the whole tanking business.
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Post #228 by HS » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:07 pm

cob wrote:My attitude is just fine, thanks. Obviously some people here take issue in the whole tanking business.


Yea, but it is okay when our real life teams do it.
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Post #229 by MP » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:19 pm

dempsey_k wrote:I almost thought HS just said real live teens.


I may have paid for 5 of those too... :paranoid:
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Post #230 by cawbber » Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:15 pm

HS wrote:Yea, but it is okay when our real life teams do it.


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Post #231 by HS » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:31 pm

dempsey_k wrote:I almost thought HS just said real live teens.


I think chic can procure those kind of things...
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Post #232 by mayoradamwest » Sun Apr 26, 2015 10:45 am

I thought there'd be an easy fix, if it's contentious let's not bother
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Post #233 by VLoo » Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:21 am

I know everybody wants a clear definition, but I think we all know tanking when we see it. If somebody is good enough at it to game the system without raising our attention, all the power to them, but the blatant shit we saw this year should just fall under the category of "I know it when I see it". It shouldn't be allowed. I don't know that there's a way to effectively curtail it with limits on green flags or raising minimums. If you're obviously tanking, you should be punished for it and that's that.
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Post #234 by Craig » Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:22 am

I'm all for a gentleman's agreement.
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Post #235 by VLoo » Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:25 am

Craig wrote:I'm all for a gentleman's agreement.


Really try to capture the spirit of the thing.

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Post #236 by Sailor Man » Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:31 am

cob wrote:Blatant tanking? You and NJ wrote the book.


How the hell was I blatantly tanking? I iced an active roster all season until there was about a week left, when I finally noticed I sandwiched between teams icing green flags all over the place. That's skewing competition big time. I met my minimums. I never benched active players. I managed my injuries and cap. Don't go turning me into Sonny Liston here.

That said, I was comfortable at the bottom considering the coming draft... but I didn't exert myself getting there, I was merely my lovable mediocre manager self

Is it because I traded Tarasenko? He's going to be an albatross of a cap hit next year. There were enough of you petulant fuckers bitching and complaining when I aquired him via Giroux. I fucked the league then, according to some. Are people accusing me of that again now? If they are, they weren't checking in on my team at all during the season.

Anyways, I'm fine with raising minimums. I think we can make this easy on everyone and implement some sort of rule covering competiting in good faith. MP aimed for a top pick and got it. He hit the canvas like a stooge and is getting his reward. I'd even aim for 95% for skaters, 90% for goalies.

I'm grand with how this season went, and it shouldn't be much work to make sure we continue to engage in veracious competition.
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Post #237 by Sailor Man » Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:33 am

VLoo wrote:I know everybody wants a clear definition, but I think we all know tanking when we see it. If somebody is good enough at it to game the system without raising our attention, all the power to them, but the blatant shit we saw this year should just fall under the category of "I know it when I see it". It shouldn't be allowed. I don't know that there's a way to effectively curtail it with limits on green flags or raising minimums. If you're obviously tanking, you should be punished for it and that's that.


Better articulated than what I was in the middle of posting
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Post #238 by mayoradamwest » Sun Apr 26, 2015 1:43 pm

yeah, fine by me.
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Post #239 by cawbber » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:56 pm

Sailor Man wrote:How the hell was I blatantly tanking? I iced an active roster all season until there was about a week left, when I finally noticed I sandwiched between teams icing green flags all over the place. That's skewing competition big time. I met my minimums. I never benched active players. I managed my injuries and cap. Don't go turning me into Sonny Liston here.

That said, I was comfortable at the bottom considering the coming draft... but I didn't exert myself getting there, I was merely my lovable mediocre manager self

Is it because I traded Tarasenko? He's going to be an albatross of a cap hit next year. There were enough of you petulant fuckers bitching and complaining when I aquired him via Giroux. I fucked the league then, according to some. Are people accusing me of that again now? If they are, they weren't checking in on my team at all during the season.

Anyways, I'm fine with raising minimums. I think we can make this easy on everyone and implement some sort of rule covering competiting in good faith. MP aimed for a top pick and got it. He hit the canvas like a stooge and is getting his reward. I'd even aim for 95% for skaters, 90% for goalies.

I'm grand with how this season went, and it shouldn't be much work to make sure we continue to engage in veracious competition.


your roster was illegal. I thought we already went over this? I have no problem with you trading Tarasenko.
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Post #240 by Sailor Man » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:56 pm

cob wrote:your roster was illegal. I thought we already went over this?


Yeah, I thought we did too.

Sailor Man wrote:I iced an active roster all season until there was about a week left, when I finally noticed I sandwiched between teams icing green flags all over the place.



Check it out.

http://www.fantrax.com/fantasy/teamRoster.go?isSubmit=y&adminMode=false&leagueId=s1tiizhhhuk0fhi6&divId=&teamId=1a6lluulhuk0fhig&timeframeType=YEAR_TO_DATE&statsType=REAL&sortOrder=&scipId=&periodNumberShown=179&scoringPeriod=&startDate=2014-10-08&endDate=&scoringCategoryType=TRACKED&teamRosterLineupChangeSystem=CLASSIC&timeframeType=YEAR_TO_DATE&seasonOrProjection=SEASON_30p&view=&origView=STATS

One week.

How long did others ice random players in the minors to take a dive?

Just saying, don't portray me as twirling my mustache and tying the damsel onto the train tracks. I merely hopped aboard the trolley.
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Post #241 by VLoo » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:59 pm

Sailor Man wrote:Just saying, don't portray me as twirling my mustache and tying the damsel onto the train tracks.


But that's my favourite way to picture you.
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Post #242 by Sailor Man » Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:08 pm

VLoo wrote:But that's my favourite way to picture you.


Well, I'm not above such anti-social behaviour so it may be an apt portrayal most of the time. Just not in this instance.
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Post #243 by mayoradamwest » Wed Apr 29, 2015 2:58 pm

People don't tie damsels to railways anymore, they just whine about the ethics of video game journalism.
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Post #244 by Bow Tie » Sun May 24, 2015 1:54 pm

When do we get a link to next year's page or did I already miss it?
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Post #245 by VLoo » Sun May 24, 2015 2:40 pm

Bow Tie wrote:When do we get a link to next year's page or did I already miss it?


http://www.fantrax.com/fantasy/home.go?leagueId=mjovvv5ji8vob9im
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Post #246 by chiclet » Sun May 24, 2015 3:56 pm

Bow Tie wrote:When do we get a link to next year's page or did I already miss it?


It was total bullshit. MP couldn't wait to get it up fast enough to erode the monument of my glory.
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Post #247 by Bow Tie » Sun May 24, 2015 5:00 pm

If it makes you feel any better I'd been visiting your glory for the better part of the spring
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Post #248 by cawbber » Sun May 24, 2015 7:18 pm

chiclet wrote:It was total bullshit. MP couldn't wait to get it up fast enough to erode the monument of my glory.


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