2023-24 Annual General Meeting - Off-season (AGMO)

cawbber · Post #151 by **cawbber** » Wed May 03, 2023 1:27 pm

A2
B2
C3
D3
E1
F3
G2

Dr_Chimera · Post #152 by **Dr_Chimera** » Wed May 03, 2023 2:07 pm

chicpea wrote:I've updated Naught, blots fan (and he will let his bud know).

Who's his bud again

chicpea · Post #153 by **chicpea** » Wed May 03, 2023 2:36 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:
chicpea wrote:I've updated Naught, blots fan (and he will let his bud know).

Who's his bud again

Avi

Dr_Chimera · Post #154 by **Dr_Chimera** » Wed May 03, 2023 4:18 pm

chicpea wrote:Avi

Should be fired.

WillieStyles · Post #155 by **WillieStyles** » Wed May 03, 2023 6:12 pm

A2
B1
C3
D3
E1
F2
G1

chicpea · Post #156 by **chicpea** » Wed May 03, 2023 6:27 pm

Dr_Chimera wrote:
chicpea wrote:Avi

Should be fired.

Add it to the Agenda, doktor.

chicpea · Post #157 by **chicpea** » Wed May 03, 2023 6:44 pm

KesselsNut wrote:I'll tell daddy's disappointments and logan's losers to vote

I love it when you speak like they're your staff.

cawbber · Post #158 by **cawbber** » Wed May 03, 2023 6:53 pm

chicpea wrote:
KesselsNut wrote:I'll tell daddy's disappointments and logan's losers to vote

I love it when you speak like they're your staff.

I'm still not convinced they're not all the same person.

Lifer · Post #159 by **Lifer** » Wed May 03, 2023 7:02 pm

Not wrote:A2
B2
C3
D3
E3
F2
G1

:denzelmymangif.com:

PredsFan77 · Post #160 by **PredsFan77** » Sun May 07, 2023 8:03 am

A1 - when the 'dead' teams don't hit their mins this is going to cause issues, with the flag rule at least there's bumpers to keep them on the right track.

B1 - again without a corresponding increase in IR spots, any injury spike is going to cause issues for teams. myopic rule.

C1 - only an issue when a bedard-like prospect is available...tank better

D1 - GM better, trade deadlines exist for a reason

E3 - percentage will future-proof having to keep upping the limit for any future inflation while keeping the spirit of the rule intact

F3 - See A1, C1 and D1. Also needs to be a standard if you keep not hitting your mins you get the boot

G1 - tank better

Dr_Chimera · Post #161 by **Dr_Chimera** » Sun May 07, 2023 1:20 pm

PredsFan77 wrote:F3 - See A1, C1 and D1. Also needs to be a standard if you keep not hitting your mins you get the boot

And if you fucking disappear for months on end, you should probably be fired (ahem, Avy).

PredsFan77 · Post #162 by **PredsFan77** » Sun May 07, 2023 2:10 pm

Or not

chicpea · Post #163 by **chicpea** » Sun May 07, 2023 2:32 pm

I'm a reasonable man. Everyone knows this.

19nazzy · Post #164 by **19nazzy** » Mon May 08, 2023 3:40 pm

A2 (Whatever we do, it needs to be something that we don't need to manually track to ensure compliance)
B2 (It's not just 1 team gaining an advantage, it ends up putting a bunch of useful players on waivers as people can and do, claim and drop the same day. Another potential option would be forcing GMs to keep claimed players for a certain amount of time, say... a week or something. But I don't think that's possible with Ftrax?)
C (Don't like any of the options really, just encourages more tanking. I'd like to see better odds across the board with all teams having a chance to get #1 spot)
D1
E (I don't really care about the figure, I think we need to eliminate the bonus cap so we always have a hard cap so we don't need to manually check rosters to see compliance)
F3
G (I'd prefer to fix the odds so they are more even across all teams, and all could win so it reduces incentive to tank)

My 2 biggest things I want:
- Eliminate the need for manually checking/snitching on rules (flagged players and bonus cap). Lets just have rules (or no rules) that don't rely on some people checking
- Discourage tanking by giving all teams a chance to win lotto, and give bottom teams less odds. Also makes trading for draft picks more interesting.

chicpea · Post #165 by **chicpea** » Mon May 08, 2023 5:26 pm

I like your thoughts, snaxxer

PredsFan77 · Post #166 by **PredsFan77** » Mon May 08, 2023 5:55 pm

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2013/12/23/re ... eel-cycle/

The wheel is your solution

Dr_Chimera · Post #167 by **Dr_Chimera** » Mon May 08, 2023 6:17 pm

Just put 16 balls into a bowl and get a monkey to pick one. That one wins.

Must I do everything around here.

19nazzy · Post #168 by **19nazzy** » Mon May 08, 2023 6:21 pm

PredsFan77 wrote:https://nba.nbcsports.com/2013/12/23/report-nba-considering-doing-away-with-draft-lottery-going-to-30-year-set-wheel-cycle/

The wheel is your solution

I like it. Personally, I hate the North American way of rewarding losers/bad teams. Wish there was a relegation system in place but I don't believe the market would support it so I get it.

KesselsNut · Post #169 by **KesselsNut** » Wed May 10, 2023 1:40 pm

I vote nazzy for nhl commissioner

MP · Post #170 by MP » Thu May 11, 2023 4:02 pm

KesselsNut wrote:I vote nazzy for nhl commissioner

19nazzy · Post #171 by **19nazzy** » Thu May 11, 2023 4:05 pm

You guys can all have jobs.

chicpea · Post #172 by **chicpea** » Wed May 24, 2023 4:28 pm

FYI:

Craig · Post #173 by **Craig** » Wed May 24, 2023 4:52 pm

I'm not sure I understand that tweet. Like, of course the union is open to raising the cap by more than a million. Most people are open to getting paid more.

chicpea · Post #174 by **chicpea** » Wed May 24, 2023 4:55 pm

I think the reason this is news is that going beyond the $1m bump next season was not previously on the table by either side, and now it is.

I could have that wrong.

MP · Post #175 by MP » Wed May 24, 2023 5:24 pm

The thing is it might lead to escrow, which effects some contract more than others.

19nazzy · Post #176 by **19nazzy** » Wed May 24, 2023 5:24 pm

Craig wrote:I'm not sure I understand that tweet. Like, of course the union is open to raising the cap by more than a million. Most people are open to getting paid more.

I think it's more if it gets pushed higher, players put more in escrow which they don't like obviously.

WELL LOOK AT YOU MP MAKING AN EXCELLENT POINT.

chicpea · Post #177 by **chicpea** » Sat Jun 10, 2023 8:34 am

I have a terrible confession to make.

MP · Post #178 by MP » Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:02 am

I guess I should get back to this. Last call for votes if you haven't already voted.

cawbber · Post #179 by **cawbber** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:21 pm

What's the cutoff so we can move forward?

mayoradamwest · Post #180 by **mayoradamwest** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:43 am

I abstain.

chicpea · Post #181 by **chicpea** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:42 am

mayoradamwest wrote:I abstain.

Congratulations on creating your first proper sentence. Your future looks bright.

mayoradamwest · Post #182 by **mayoradamwest** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:58 am

chicpea wrote:
mayoradamwest wrote:I abstain.

Congratulations on creating your first proper sentence. Your future looks bright.

Grammarly isn't just for grammas you know.

:smuglanne:

edit: hugs

Craig · Post #183 by **Craig** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 11:31 am

Congratulations on creating your first proper sentence. Your future looks bright. <--- Comes across emotionless, insencere
Congratulations on creating your first proper sentence! Your future looks bright. <--- Friendlier, but not that engaged
Congratulations on creating your first proper sentence! Your future looks bright! <--- Too excited, feels phoney
Congratulations on creating your first proper sentence. Your future looks bright! <--- Engaged, and conveys excitement at the end. This is the best choice!

chicpea · Post #184 by **chicpea** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 12:32 pm

mayoradamwest wrote:I abstain.

Congratulations on creating your first proper sentence. Your future looks bright!

MP · Post #185 by MP » Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:02 pm

So we have 12 of 15 GM's recording votes. The count is as follows:

Issue A: GM's using more than alloted flagged players on roster and hiding stars in reserve in order to tank.
1. Do nothing. Tanking is good, and a few bent rules is okay. (2 Votes)
2. Eliminate the flag rule. The minimum GP takes care of this. (10 Votes)
3. Eliminate minimum required roster position rule (making the flag rule redundant). If a GM doesnt have to meet the position requirements they no longer need to ice flagged players to be compliant. (0 Votes)

Issue B: GM's using FA for daily starts to expand their GP roster without taking equal cap hit.
1. Do nothing. If a GM wants to go to this length to gain that small advantage so be it. (5 Votes)
2. Set a reasonable max FA/WW claim limit. (7 Votes)

Issue C: Draft lotto odds. Right now last place has like 46% chance at 1st overall, 2nd and 3rd last have nothing.
1. Do nothing. It's worked so far. (2 Votes)
2. Give 2nd and last 3 lotto balls in the move one and move three draws (but nothing in the move 5 draw). (1 Votes)
3. Go to a more conventional draw for the 1st three picks giving the bottom 3 four balls in the lotto. (8 Votes)

Issue D: Restricting FA/WW claims after the deadline causes GMs to miss mins and not have full rosters. This rule was in place to prevent GM's from dumping players after the reach their mins and grabbing futures prior to the draft.
1. Do nothing. GMs need to plan better. (5 Votes)
2. Move the claim deadline to later after the trade deadline. (Say 4 weeks before end of season.) (2 Votes)
3. Open right until last day. (5 Votes)

Issue E:Bonus Cap ($5M+$5M) not keeping up with rising cap.
1. Do nothing. (3 Votes)
2. Raise it to $6M/$7M/$8M? (1 Vote)
3. Have it pegged to a percentage of the cap (7.5%). (6 Votes)

Issue F:GM dereliction. In a perfect world GM should be checking in every couple days/weekly. We have a pretty good group here, but there are some prolonged stretches where some are less active, but should there be the limit?
1. Don't care/new GMs aren't exactly plentiful. (2 Votes)
2. As long as they make their mins and check in monthly. (5 Votes)
3. GMs generally need to be checking in weekly. (5 Votes)
4. If you don't get back to my trade request in 24 hours, you're out. (0 Votes)

Issue G:GM stashing star players in reserve in order to tank.
1. Do nothing. Tanking is part of the fun. (10 Votes)
2. Reduce the number of reserve spots to 4. (2 Votes)

So A2, C3, & G1 will be implemented. I am making the executive decision to enact E3. Issue F will be dealt with on a case by case basis, but seems monthly check-in and making the min GP's is the consensus minimum standard at this time. Issues B & D don't seem to have much legs at the moment.

mayoradamwest · Post #186 by **mayoradamwest** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:04 pm

i don't have a team anymore, but I did want to share my prospect knowledge still. gotta hot tip, from someone who knows, that this connor bedard fella has a good wrist-shot

Craig · Post #187 by **Craig** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:33 pm

I still wish we had taken simply removing the bonus cap altogether to a vote.

chicpea · Post #188 by **chicpea** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:41 pm

Craig wrote:I still wish we had taken simply removing the bonus cap altogether to a vote.

This is the first I've heard of such a proposla (unless I forgot, which is entirely likely), and I'm not sure how many votes it'd get other than (I'm sensing) yours.

I've thought about it briefly, and I am not against it per se. We'd still be on an equal field, just with less talent most likely.

MP · Post #189 by MP » Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:56 pm

Craig wrote:I still wish we had taken simply removing the bonus cap altogether to a vote.

You'll have to bring it next year. I think Nazzy is on board with that too.

Craig · Post #190 by **Craig** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 5:12 pm

It's been brought up several years in a row now.

mayoradamwest · Post #191 by **mayoradamwest** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:49 pm

Craig wrote:It's been brought up several years in a row now.

true

19nazzy · Post #192 by **19nazzy** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:00 pm

I don't think we should have 2 separate caps. Choose 1 number so that there needs to be no monitoring of who is going over because Fantrax will automatically deal with it. Or perhaps we can ask Fantrax to see if they could implement changing the cap amount during the season?

Seems like we've dealt with the other issue of eliminating the flag rule where people had to check on it.

Dr_Chimera · Post #193 by **Dr_Chimera** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:42 pm

Bonus cap is good. Encourages trades. Keep it.

Craig · Post #194 by **Craig** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:57 pm

Is that why we always have such a thrilling trade deadline?

PredsFan77 · Post #195 by **PredsFan77** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:07 pm

Just think if we didnt

chicpea · Post #196 by **chicpea** » Wed Jun 28, 2023 6:41 pm

On a very related note, this was just announced:

Gary wrote:NHL salary cap officially set at $83.5M for 2023-24

This means, with our 7.5% pegger, our bonus will be $6,262,500 for a total of 89,762,500 during the regular season (if I have this right).

As for the bonus cap in the off-season, did we remember to settle whether that would be a flat $5m or the 7.5%?

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/nhl-salary-cap-o ... -1.1978364

MP · Post #197 by MP » Wed Jun 28, 2023 8:22 pm

it's 7.5%+7.5%. But I will round to the nearest nice looking number ($250,000).

So this year we will go with $6.25M and $6.25M bonus.

Lifer · Post #198 by **Lifer** » Thu Jun 29, 2023 8:39 pm

Issue B option 2 is the closest in keeping with the spirit of forming and fielding a full and complete team for a full and complete season.

Issue D option 3 is the closest to the real thing. If a player is an FA in February, any team can sign them and immediately have them log minutes. Why should ours be different? When combined with Issue B option 2 it is the closest to reality, which is of course the opposite of fantasy. D2 also received the most votes for this issue, and while not a majority, we can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink.

Dr_Chimera · Post #199 by **Dr_Chimera** » Thu Jun 29, 2023 10:10 pm

Craig wrote:Is that why we always have such a thrilling trade deadline?

We've had some good ones in the past. But last season it was pretty obvious Predo had it locked up and no one wanted to trade for a rental.

chicpea · Post #200 by **chicpea** » Sun Jul 02, 2023 11:39 am

Thrilling though?

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