I think we should switch to Head To Head format for next season

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I think we should switch to Head To Head format for next season

Post #1 by Vancouver Blazers » Sat Oct 18, 2014 11:40 am

1) Everyone stays in the pool for most of the year
2) Anyone can win
3) One bad week won't fuck up your whole season
4) Trash talk gets 1000 times better and more relevant
5) Slightly more similar to TV show The League
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Post #2 by Vancouver Blazers » Sat Oct 18, 2014 1:54 pm

I agree on SHG and SO. We'd also have to get rid of points, I think. It's too redundant with goals and assists also being there.

Blocked shots and penalty minutes are good categories for head to head format.
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Post #3 by Trotsky » Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:56 pm

Yeah, those are some pretty profound stat category changes. The current format works and large scale changes haven't really worked out in the past.

I'd still like to join a h2h pool. Maybe the Superleague? Or if anyone here has a h2h pool that needs more owners I'll be interested.
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Post #4 by Vancouver Blazers » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:46 pm

Is the Superleague head to head?
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Post #5 by Trotsky » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:24 pm

No, it's set up pretty much identical to here. I was thinking there may be less opposition to move the Superleague to h2h
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Post #6 by Vancouver Blazers » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:27 pm

I'd join it.
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Post #7 by Trotsky » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:43 pm

Be nice to have you. It's slap's pool and I'm not sure what his plans are.

Here's the id if you want to take a look: http://games.espn.go.com/fhl/leagueoffice?leagueId=7508&seasonId=2015
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Post #8 by captainkirk » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:16 am

If we add saves to our league, I'm fucking done. I think our league is too dependent on goaltenders as it is.

Head to head would make sense if people were all actually around looking at things, but let's get real, there is a huge difference between the time put in on here. At the same time, adding PIM and other stupid ass stats would make things interesting so kmad doesn't win all the time.

Decide this shit soon, not in the off season though.

I'd vote for eliminating the ability to gave a goalie on the bench. You got him, you play him. 1 goalie or 3.
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Post #9 by sLapshot » Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:42 pm

I'll echo what a few people have already ssaid, I'd be intested in joining a h2h league but I have zero interest in seeing this one (or super league) changed over.

It's too disruptive for my liking.

Crazy suggestion: let's set up a h2h league with teams identical to what we have right here right now in this league and play with it the rest of the year. Like a test run. No buy in or anything just see how we like it etc. We might eventually replace one with the other but more likely they'll diverge slowly and become entirely distinct leagues.
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Post #10 by Hobbes » Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:55 pm

Sounds like a very neat idea.


Yes, I said neat.
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Post #11 by sLapshot » Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:10 pm

I think everyone here would participate since there's no cost. Some owners would be more active than others, just like already. I dunno, just a thought.
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Post #12 by Trotsky » Sun Oct 26, 2014 1:56 am

My brother in is an intricate h2h pool (farm teams, structured salary cap) with a $400 buy-in. The winner of the regular season and playoffs get something like $3000, so everyone is very deeply invested. I'd love to join a pool like that.
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Post #13 by Vancouver Blazers » Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:00 pm

I'm down for $100 but only if it's head to head with a 3 round playoffs and we balance out the categories.

Winner take all?
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Post #14 by Vancouver Blazers » Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:03 pm

I just don't like knowing who's going to win with a month left. It's boring. It'll probably lead to a lot of disaffected managers becoming inactive like it does with rotisserie pools.
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Post #15 by Tripwyre » Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:30 am

I've barely been changing my line-up at all this season and I'm in second.

I would be all about moving to h2h. Did it in my other hockey pool this year and my basketball pool as well, it's made everything much MUCH more interesting.
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Post #16 by Trotsky » Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:37 am

This current format isn't working out, given how disinterested most owners are. I'd prefer a h2h format next season.
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Post #17 by Trotsky » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:16 pm

Maybe start a poll in the offseason.
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Post #18 by Tripwyre » Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:10 pm

All the overall roto stats would still be tracked on the Standings page. You can give out prizes to both winners, it's what we're doing in my other league that just made the switch this season.
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Post #19 by Tripwyre » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:11 pm

IMO you won't see that level of disengagement in a H2H league where every week is fresh start. The problem with this league is if you're out of contention after Month 2 your hopes for the season are over. That may still be true in the overall standings of a H2H league but you're still playing for pride.

I'm in a daily lock hockey league and weekly lock basketball league in other pools and both command my attention far more than this pool has in years. There are always stakes, something's always on the line.

The more we can make this pool more like fantasy football, the better and healthier it will be.
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Post #20 by Tripwyre » Tue Feb 10, 2015 9:33 pm

In my H2H hockey league, 10 of 12 teams make the playoffs. 11th gets their money back and 12th is subjected to an embarrassing punishment chosen by the champion. The top 6 teams of the 10 that make it get a first round bye and the bottom four are in a wildcard play-in.

When you're in a playoff format, the regular season determines seeding and the final weeks of the year could see anyone eliminated by a good or bad week, even top ranked teams. It's never over til it's over.
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Post #21 by sLapshot » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:08 pm

If we go h2h I'll have to bow out. I'm somewhat inactive in this league as it is though I do always manage to tweak and set my weekly roster and stay on top of things that way.

But I struggle with even that much. The level of involvement this league needs of us right now, I'm happy with. I can handle it. Any more and I definitely have to bow out.
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Post #22 by Hobbes » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:14 pm

So it sounds like what we need to do for next year is keep the format we have but get rid of some inactive members.

I'm not a fan of the H2H but wouldn't object if we switched to it. But not at the expense of anyone who actually cares about this pool - ie: beks and slap
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Post #23 by sLapshot » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:46 pm

beekar81 wrote:Not trying to convince anyone to switch, but going to H2H doesn't take anymore effort then Roto. All you have to do is just make sure your roster has active players, as should be the case in this format.


Ya but you have to tailor your roster to your weekly opponent right? So if you want any chance of winning you have to be pretty on your toes with roster management, including trades and waiver wire snags.

I like the sound of h2h a lot I just don't think I would be as involved as I'd need to Be.
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Post #24 by sLapshot » Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:48 pm

beekar81 wrote:Inactives are: Kirk, TJ, WSM and Luco. Some have not done anything all year. I vote to kick those people out.


I think that's only fair.
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Post #25 by Trotsky » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:41 am

Wait, shit, we're doing a mass culling of teams? Just out of curiosity, do the players go into free agency and become draft eligible?
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Post #26 by sLapshot » Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:31 pm

I'm going to revise what I said earlier. I won't be bowing out if we shift to H2H. I might even vote for it!

I still see it being tough to find the extra little bit of time for it, but I don't want to start polluting the waters before we've even had a chance to vote on it.
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Post #27 by Trotsky » Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:06 pm

miles2025 wrote:I would imagine they go straight into the draft, with no chance of anyone picking them up beforehand with leftover free agent money.


I would prefer a supplementary draft. I wouldn't have traded my first rounder if I knew Evgeni Malkin was going to be on the table.

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