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Post #1 by Craig » Tue May 28, 2013 10:25 am

I prefer LED because they use a lot less power and give off a lot less heat. At that size, the LED vs Plasma difference will work out to about (really rough number here, obviously) 10 bucks per hour per year. Not a massive amount, but it will work out to a couple hundred bucks over the life of the TV.

I know nothing about current models, I'm still using my Sharp I got in 2007 or so.
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Post #2 by habfan4 » Tue May 28, 2013 6:56 pm

I picked up a 55" Samsung Smart LED TV this past year and I'm very happy with it. Stuck with regular as opposed to 3D which saved me a couple hundred bucks. The smart apps are of limited value but if you don't have Apple TV or some other device for streaming you might get a better return on investment. If I had one complaint it would be that inputs are in an awkward position (pointing directly out from the back of the TV) which makes it a tight squeeze for a shallow wall mount.

Looked at Sony and Panasonic as well but preferred both the build and the picture on the Samsung. Aside from the power consumption issue the fact that LED is lightweight (for wall mounting is a plus).
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Post #3 by habfan4 » Tue May 28, 2013 7:27 pm

Lifer wrote:Mine will initially sit on an entertainment center unit but eventually will be mounted on a wall. That said, I'm not too concerned about overall thickness. Anything is thinner than what I have now.

As far as 3D vs not 3D goes, I was told that getting a 3D TV will give you better picture processing equipment, even if you don't use the 3D function. Also, the smart TV features are pretty cool. It would then mean that I could use my PS3 solely as a gaming/Blu Ray device.

The only other thing I've really been wondering about is whether TVs these days have the ability to display 2 inputs at once in a split screen. As an example, I'd love to be perusing broads and watching hockey on the same screen. I would assume that the smart TVs with Bluetooth capability can be paired with a mouse and keyboard. Not sure though.


You can definitely pair a bluetooth keyboard/mouse with a Smart TV. I'm not a PIP fan so I haven't tried to split screen anything. My guess based upon how the applications are launched would be that its not possible (but don't take my word on that front)
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Post #5 by Freshie » Tue May 28, 2013 9:35 pm

vonbonds wrote:I am a plasma fan only because the blur with fast moving sports I see on LED TV drive me nuts. If I were to go with an LED though I think Sharp's picture look the best.


Agree. We spent a lot of time looking at LEDs and ended up with a Sharp Aquos. (the one with the extra yellow pixels that George Takei was pushing on TV).
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Post #6 by Craig » Tue May 28, 2013 9:41 pm

Wasn't that extra yellow pixel thing nonsense? Like a nice theory but useless because nothing is encoded to use it or something?
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Post #7 by SbisaSoSassy » Tue May 28, 2013 10:27 pm

Craig wrote:Wasn't that extra yellow pixel thing nonsense? Like a nice theory but useless because nothing is encoded to use it or something?


It's nonsense for that reason, but also because yellow is already accurately displayed using mixtures of red and green.
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Post #8 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Wed May 29, 2013 1:13 am

Lmao, what else are you hunting for back in the year 2005?!
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Post #9 by Freshie » Wed May 29, 2013 7:30 pm

Lifer wrote:Freshie, did you look at plasmas at all? Anything to add to the plasma vs. LED discussion?

Anything is appreciated.


Never really considered plasma.

Lifer wrote:Freshie, did you look at plasmas at all? Anything to add to the plasma vs. LED discussion?

Anything is appreciated.



I did a bunch of online research before I visited a store. It's very difficult to compare models on a showroom floor when there are about a billion settings that affect picture quality. At the time I bought mine, it was getting great reviews. I'm happy with it. We use it for gaming and regular tv viewing. The only online feature I use is Pandora. As far as Internet, I'd rather surf with my tablet and watch a full screen of television.

I've found that online opinions run the full spectrum with plasma vs LED.

Below was snipped from elsewhere:

"The general consensus have concluded with the fact that LCD-LED TVs are better than Plasma TVs when it comes to pretty much everything except refresh rate and responsitivity on mid to lower end models however....

The higher end LCD-LED TVs have very low delay and the - by far - more superior black levels and contrasts makes LCD-LED TVs more ideal than Plasmas.

I'm playing (using mice and keyboard) on my 46'' LCD-LED TV and I've won tourneys in Battlefield 3 and there are absolutely no delay for me. When the OP plays on PS3 using a gamepad then it takes a pretty huge amount of delay before it's even noticeable."
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Post #10 by Freshie » Wed May 29, 2013 7:32 pm

Lifer wrote:Freshie, did you look at plasmas at all? Anything to add to the plasma vs. LED discussion?

Anything is appreciated.



I did a bunch of online research before I visited a store. It's very difficult to compare models on a showroom floor when there are about a billion settings that affect picture quality. At the time I bought mine, it was getting great reviews. I'm happy with it. We use it for gaming and regular tv viewing. The only online feature I use is Pandora. As far as Internet, I'd rather surf with my tablet and watch a full screen of television.

I've found that online opinions run the full spectrum with plasma vs LED.

Below was snipped from elsewhere:

The general consensus have concluded with the fact that LCD-LED TVs are better than Plasma TVs when it comes to pretty much everything except refresh rate and responsitivity on mid to lower end models however....

The higher end LCD-LED TVs have very low delay and the - by far - more superior black levels and contrasts makes LCD-LED TVs more ideal than Plasmas.

I'm playing (using mice and keyboard) on my 46'' LCD-LED TV and I've won tourneys in Battlefield 3 and there are absolutely no delay for me. When the OP plays on PS3 using a gamepad then it takes a pretty huge amount of delay before it's even noticeable.
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Post #11 by Craig » Wed May 29, 2013 8:15 pm

I know that some people have eyes that are much better at perceiving movement than others. Those people tend to have more trouble with seeing shadows or blurs or whatever when watching sports. The majority of people aren't like that.

Most high-level goalies end up being people like that, because they're a lot better at picking up the puck on shots.
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Post #12 by SbisaSoSassy » Wed May 29, 2013 9:08 pm

Lifer wrote:Well then I'm fucked. Been a goalie my whole life. Been an ice perfectionist for 10 years. I see very, very fine details.


That said, if I have a 2007 DLP with a refresh rate of 60 Hz and I get a 2013 LED with a refresh rate of 240 Hz, wouldn't that be a huge improvement over what I've got anyway?

Is the 600 Hz of a plasma really that much better than the 240 Hz of an LED?


240Hz is a gimmick.

And there is no way in hell that an LCD/LED TV has superior black levels.
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Post #13 by PredsFan77 » Wed May 29, 2013 9:30 pm

don't buy a TV. Cancel your cable and starting reading 500 pages a day.
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Post #14 by Craig » Wed May 29, 2013 9:38 pm

IAmCamBarkerFan wrote:240Hz is a gimmick.

And there is no way in hell that an LCD/LED TV has superior black levels.


This article: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387377,00.asp

Which I have only skimmed and found after about 30 seconds of Googling, uses actual metrics to disagree.
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Post #15 by SbisaSoSassy » Wed May 29, 2013 9:46 pm

Lifer wrote:Since I'm looking for information and not just opinion, could you explain why?


You can't add detail to a video after it's already been filmed, and just about everything is filmed at 24 frames per second and then those frames are interlaced to be compatible with 60Hz televisions.

TV's that are above 60Hz are either displaying the same frames multiple times or extrapolating the data from every pair of frames to create new ones in between. It can "smooth" the image a bit which can help with scenes that look juddery, but it doesn't add any detail. Some people like it for sports, but I think it makes it look unnatural.

As for black levels, it all has to do with contrast levels. Plasmas have higher contrast levels, which is essentially just the measure of the ratio between the darkest and brightest parts of an image.
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Post #16 by SbisaSoSassy » Wed May 29, 2013 9:51 pm

Craig wrote:This article: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2387377,00.asp

Which I have only skimmed and found after about 30 seconds of Googling, uses actual metrics to disagree.


Using a $5,000+ 60" TV as a measuring stick for LED's is retarded. They use that TV's stats and compare them to a Plasma set that is almost 10 years old.
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Post #17 by Craig » Wed May 29, 2013 9:59 pm

The real test here is to go into a store and ask them to show you a 240hz and 60hz side-by-side playing sports and see which you like better. With what he just said about it, I'm starting to wonder if that thing I half-remembered about people with goalie eyes was actually about the TVs with higher refresh rates.

Just walk into a Best Buy and see. There are lots of settings that can change picture quality that make looking in a store not so useful, but I think this one specific thing should be easy enough to check out.
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Post #18 by SbisaSoSassy » Wed May 29, 2013 10:33 pm

Go look at the Vizio sets that I posted. They're comparable to a Samsung or Sharp set that is 50% more expensive. And they come with a cool remote.
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Post #19 by SbisaSoSassy » Wed May 29, 2013 10:34 pm

Lifer wrote:What I know so far is that the more expensive TVs have looked the best. There are 3 or 4 at the local Best Buy that stand out above the rest far and away. 2 of them happen to be 60" which is the size I'm looking for. Both are just a bit over my budget but I'm willing to wait until the next model year so they become cheaper.


That can be deceiving because the high end TVs get professionaly calibrated when put on display in most stores, especially big box ones like BB.
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Post #20 by freakin » Thu May 30, 2013 12:05 pm

I imagine Lifer in front of his 60 inch screen, with his hand on the phone, ready to call the NHL to report divots and problems with the ice directly to the NHL thanks to his crystal clear picture quality.
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Post #21 by clawfirst » Thu May 30, 2013 12:22 pm

Topher might be on to something with the 240hz..if your cable is only 60Hz 3/4 of the image is just created by the tv with possible errors.
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Post #22 by NyQuil » Thu May 30, 2013 2:10 pm

I have a Samsung Plasma 60" a couple of years ago and I've been very happy with it.

The apps aren't great but I do have it plugged into my home Cat-5 network and Samsung works with Plex Media on my PC to watch movies or other media.

Mine is 3D but in a lot of cases now, it's not really an option. I opted not to buy the $200 glasses to go with it. Not a huge fan of 3D in my home anyway.

I'm actually looking to get another TV for my basement so I can watch on the treadmill so I'm interested in what you guys come up with.
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Post #23 by Ironchef Chris Wok » Fri May 16, 2014 4:37 am

I bought a Vizio/JVC 55 inch LED for around 750 dollars, it was the cheapest thing. It's not as good as the $1400 Sharp, but it's not 1400 dollars.
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Post #24 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:22 pm

Samsung QLEDs are looking affordable, fellas. Is it time to strike, Grég?
Also, let's keep this thread about Galchenyuk's on-ice performance, development and value and NOT bring in his personal life or race.
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Post #25 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:42 pm

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Also, let's keep this thread about Galchenyuk's on-ice performance, development and value and NOT bring in his personal life or race.
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Post #26 by vonbonds » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:47 am

OLED or nothing. Be better than this herr _dong

https://www.cnet.com/news/qled-vs-oled- ... -the-same/
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Post #27 by Craig » Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:29 am

Don't OLEDs have real burn in issues?
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Post #28 by shredz » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:39 pm

Craig wrote:Don't OLEDs have real burn in issues?


Some after 4,000 hours burn in. They also had an issue with a burn in at a giant trade show.

A months-long OLED TV burn-in test on LG models show that after 4,000 hours, logos and static images were vulnerable to permanent image retention, much less than the South Korea electronic company's assertion of 30,000 hours.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/lg-oled-t ... hour-test/

LG's OLED TV on display in front of hundreds of industry associates at a prestigious industry tradeshow has shown signs of prominent burn-in, ZDNet has learned.


https://www.zdnet.com/article/lg-embarr ... tradeshow/

Perhaps its fixed but with like many gadgets, time will perfect it or make it obsolete. The price shouldn't really put anyone in bankruptcy so its worth a try from my view. I was also told my Samsung 50 inch plasma was going to "burn within six months" and it ran fine for about ten years. I have too many flat screens. Starting to really look like the Shredder watching April at the NYPD press conference.
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Post #29 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:04 pm

Burn-ins, what year is this? Image
Also, let's keep this thread about Galchenyuk's on-ice performance, development and value and NOT bring in his personal life or race.
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Post #30 by Dr_Chimera » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:20 am

I'll get OEL when 3D porn becomes a thing. I wanna reach out and suck that hog.
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Post #31 by vonbonds » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:03 pm

No issues after year with mine. I’d just get another one if it blew up in 3-4 more years. The picture is unreal.
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Post #32 by Craig » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:46 pm

I got a Sony not that long ago. Pretty happy with it.
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Post #33 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:47 pm

All the big black dongs on the gridiron look excellent on my good clean OLED, but how do you fellas make ice hockey look otherworldly?
Also, let's keep this thread about Galchenyuk's on-ice performance, development and value and NOT bring in his personal life or race.
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Post #34 by vonbonds » Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:38 am

Shawnathan Horcoff wrote:All the big black dongs on the gridiron look excellent on my good clean OLED, but how do you fellas make ice hockey look otherworldly?

I didn’t mean to rep you. How does tits sound?

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