Whit Dickman wrote:
AD wrote:If you go back to the thread, you'll see that most here (probably not on Twitter and Reddit, but here) equated all dogmatism and blamed all narrow views (whether political, social, religious, etc.) for certain behaviours... and were generally simply pointing out that blaming/singling out Islam was the problematic part of your argument.
But good job on that post.
Okay, so I guess another analogy would be: Are we justified in now singling out nationalism given recent events?
I would say yes. Just as it was justified to be singling out Islam when ISIS was throwing gay people from the tops of buildings. Naturally, as I've intimated, the complication here is that the "singling out" of Islam is related to the rise of actual Islamophobia.
So, it's not that things can't be singled out. But that it was (in this narrow case) predictable that singling out Islam would embolden racists.
Perhaps that's what you're saying.
Okay, fair enough.
I mean, I don't think its fair to say that white nationalism is somehow the worst thing ever or singling it out as unique.
The general assumption is that people suck, are stupid, and fucked up and some will get drawn into whatever extremism gives them purpose at whatever time or whatever extremism is accepted within a community, whatever gets them validation as humans, yadda yadda.
And that the tenets of the -ism in question are pretty secondary.
Hence, going from one current problematic -ism to another to another misses the actual issue, usually a human feeling of disenfranchisement and injustice coupled with some internal struggle sprinkled with assholishness and criminality.
And that is especially problematic if the -ism you're pointing to as problematic is generally and historically identical to other -isms that don't produce the violent outcomes. Example, Islam vs Christianity vs Judaism are so identical and similar, singling one of them as producing violent and extremist behaviour is the wrongness we argued.
Nationalism, like religious thought, has its issues, but when its basically be proud of your territory, language and sing songs a few times a year, its fine.