Homeownership Thread

clawfirst · Post #2001 by **clawfirst** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:28 pm

Its a small area and if i ever get off this show ill fix whatever he did

vonbonds · Post #2002 by **vonbonds** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:41 pm

Ain't love grand?

Craig · Post #2003 by **Craig** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:23 pm

I'm like, good at this or whatever.

Craig · Post #2004 by **Craig** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:23 pm

Just really, really slow.

clawfirst · Post #2005 by **clawfirst** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:26 pm

Yeah its really not hard if you are patient and have opposable thumbs. Even drywallers can do it.

Dog · Post #2006 by **Dog** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:30 pm

I'm good but slow and innefficient at it too!

:superghey:

Craig · Post #2007 by **Craig** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:49 pm

It is a messy pain in the nuts though.

clawfirst · Post #2008 by **clawfirst** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:51 pm

Measure...subtract 1/4...put the shit on. . Drink a beer..repeat.

I dont mind doing it..hard on the liver tho

Craig · Post #2009 by **Craig** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:52 pm

Measure? What?

I just slop it on the wall.

clawfirst · Post #2010 by **clawfirst** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:55 pm

Also acceptable. The only one doing it wrong is dog. That slow shit wont fly

clawfirst · Post #2011 by **clawfirst** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:58 pm

As i said to my mechanic friend when he couldnt figure out how to cap the hip into the ridge when shingling. " too smart and over quilified"

Ricard_Persson · Post #2012 by **Ricard_Persson** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:22 pm

Craig wrote:I'm like, good at this or whatever.

I 100% believe you are. I don't know you, but know who you are. I see it working for other people all the time. There are different types of homeowners. You're educated, detailed and can be hands-on. Will read online and watch youtube to learn the process of something and once confident that it's understood, you'll find your materials and take your time and in the end do a pretty darn good job at it.

Doing drywall full-time is another story. There's a reason that 85% of dry-wallers are drunks or drug addicts. The other 15% are both.

Dog · Post #2013 by **Dog** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:19 pm

You're grossly overestimating intellectual types. We can prep all we want in our heads, still doesn't mean we can do it. Not necessarily a manual capacity thing, more a lack of experience thing. Shit goes wrong all the time when doing renos and you need to have seen it/seen similar before to adequately work through it. Makes me want to burn the place down, most of the time (that was back when I still tried).

MP · Post #2014 by MP » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:19 pm

I don't mind putting up board, or mudding & taping, it's the bloody sanding and the dust that drives me crazy.

MP · Post #2015 by MP » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:21 pm

Dog wrote:You're grossly overestimating intellectual types. We can prep all we want in our heads, still doesn't mean we can do it. Not necessarily a manual capacity thing, more a lack of experience thing. Shit goes wrong all the time when doing renos and you need to have seen it/seen similar before to adequately work through it. Makes me want to burn the place down, most of the time (that was back when I still tried).

So an irrational fear of screwing up something a high school dropout is capable of doing?

Dog · Post #2016 by **Dog** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:27 pm

MP wrote:
Dog wrote:You're grossly overestimating intellectual types. We can prep all we want in our heads, still doesn't mean we can do it. Not necessarily a manual capacity thing, more a lack of experience thing. Shit goes wrong all the time when doing renos and you need to have seen it/seen similar before to adequately work through it. Makes me want to burn the place down, most of the time (that was back when I still tried).

So an irrational fear of screwing up something a high school dropout is capable of doing?

Yes, informed by a general dislike for manual labour that dictates that I don't put in the required effort/time to learn.

Dog · Post #2017 by **Dog** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:30 pm

The fact that the work is largely done by high school dropouts is a big part of the problem. Every field has incompetence, but incompetence in construction seems to be very high. Relatively hard to hire a non-idiot -for work I don't like to do.

But, yes, at my level an experienced idiot > me for most tasks.

Dog · Post #2018 by **Dog** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:33 pm

Could be a "type of intelligence" thing too. I know a few that couldn't do well in school but are very anal/good at manual work. I'm not much of a "process" intelligence type. More of a "concept" guy. If that's a thing.

AD · Post #2019 by AD » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:38 pm

Dog wrote:Could be a "type of intelligence" thing too. I know a few that couldn't do well in school but are very anal/good at manual work. I'm not much of a "process" intelligence type. More of a "concept" guy. If that's a thing.

You don't say.

Dog · Post #2020 by **Dog** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:40 pm

AD wrote:
Dog wrote:Could be a "type of intelligence" thing too. I know a few that couldn't do well in school but are very anal/good at manual work. I'm not much of a "process" intelligence type. More of a "concept" guy. If that's a thing.

You don't say.

I'm a lawyer that doesn't know how to sue somebody.

:why:

MP · Post #2021 by MP » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:46 pm

So the problem is with "the doing" part?

Dog · Post #2022 by **Dog** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:56 pm

MP wrote:So the problem is with "the doing" part?

I'd make a great teacher!

Dog · Post #2023 by **Dog** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:00 pm

I mean, I do stuff. But it has to be intellectual/conceptual. Talk to me about process and my eyes glaze over.

I blame the undiagnosed low level/borderline add.

Dog · Post #2024 by **Dog** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:02 pm

My daughter appears to be the same. We're both wonderfully disconnected from the practical world. My wife is wonderfully practical. We're the majority of the household now.

Zardoz · Post #2025 by **Zardoz** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:48 pm

So twice this month we've had record rainfall and twice our basement has been sweating up through the cracks... A small amount of water that I simply mop up.
The house is 100 this year, don't think I'll bother with a sump or any digging down there. Sometimes it's better to just mop shit up twice a year. Not like it's sewage.

clawfirst · Post #2026 by **clawfirst** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:50 pm

Too logical. We should have dog decide the next course of action

Dog · Post #2027 by **Dog** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:13 pm

OMG!

BURN IT ALL DOWN!!!! How can you tolerate it??!

You are not human.

Zardoz · Post #2028 by **Zardoz** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:14 pm

At least I didn't mention the bucket in my attic catching rain water. That one is just because I have no money though...

Dog · Post #2029 by **Dog** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:22 pm

Join me in my war on water, Zardox (sp?).

The world will be a better place without it. It's simply too dangerous to leave it around.

clawfirst · Post #2030 by **clawfirst** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:39 pm

Have you gone up on the roof to look around for an obvious entry point?..i assume you have and its all old and fucked and impossible to tell

clawfirst · Post #2031 by **clawfirst** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:40 pm

Buy a tarp and nail it to fucked roof

Dog · Post #2032 by **Dog** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:41 pm

Don't nails create holes?

clawfirst · Post #2033 by **clawfirst** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:42 pm

Dog wrote:Don't nails create holes?

New tight holes.

Dog · Post #2034 by **Dog** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:43 pm

*AD faints*

clawfirst · Post #2035 by **clawfirst** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:44 pm

Tarp. 2x. Spike into rafter. Actual roof asap

clawfirst · Post #2036 by **clawfirst** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:46 pm

Unless the bucket is fine... But if thats the case its one entry point and you may be able to half assed repair with one stack of shingles,,,careful removal and tucking

Zardoz · Post #2037 by **Zardoz** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:58 pm

Yeah, I've weighed a few options. The roof is way to high for me to get on. Around 30 feet. The shingles are about 10 years old so when I'm done my program and get a contract I'll worry about it (august). I wouldn't mind having someone sheet some ply up there over the plank or something.

Luckily it's a walk up attic that I can access every time it's raining and check the drip. Its very localized. Good airflow up there, so no rot or anything. Just a pain is all.

clawfirst · Post #2038 by **clawfirst** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:02 pm

Depends. Plank is actually really good if not all rotton. Sounds like it isnt insulated...lol

clawfirst · Post #2039 by **clawfirst** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:04 pm

Borrow or rent a 40' extension ladder

Zardoz · Post #2040 by **Zardoz** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:19 pm

I will this summer. It's vintage insulation. As in no insulation. Basically open rafters with blown in pink stuff between the rafters to insulate our upstairs. Incredibly efficient house. Our funace barely has to work, and our downstairs is double brick so even on hot days it stays cool until around 1pm and then the a.c. kicks in.

Zardoz · Post #2041 by **Zardoz** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:02 pm

Good to know about the planks, Claw. I usually assume older is better on account of the Heritage work I was doing. I just thought I'd get better strength and less risk of puncture out of ply.

clawfirst · Post #2042 by **clawfirst** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:13 pm

Nah. Plank is great. It breathes. It is spaced for expansion.

If you do need to change some. Rip 3/4(or whatever matches thickness) into plank and use that for repair.

But i reject the current tight build mantra. That envelope rots from inside out. Its just the law.

Craig · Post #2043 by **Craig** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:12 am

[*]

MP wrote:I don't mind putting up board, or mudding & taping, it's the bloody sanding and the dust that drives me crazy.

I agree. The worst part about doing this myself is it takes so long for me to get through the three cycles of sanding. By the time I'm done we'll have lived through two weeks if dusty bullshit.

Ricard_Persson · Post #2044 by **Ricard_Persson** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:04 pm

Get an orange tarp, something bright. Something obvious. Neighbors will love it, you'll drop their assessed property tax value.

Split Scrotum · Post #2045 by **Split Scrotum** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:20 pm

Craig wrote:[*]
MP wrote:I don't mind putting up board, or mudding & taping, it's the bloody sanding and the dust that drives me crazy.

I agree. The worst part about doing this myself is it takes so long for me to get through the three cycles of sanding. By the time I'm done we'll have lived through two weeks if dusty bullshit.

3 cycles of sanding?! How much mud are you putting on?

Dog · Post #2046 by **Dog** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:21 pm

Yeah. Just 3 cycles? You're like a pro!

Zardoz · Post #2047 by **Zardoz** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:32 pm

Ricard_Persson wrote:Get an orange tarp, something bright. Something obvious. Neighbors will love it, you'll drop their assessed property tax value.

My neighbours are already working hard to devalue our homes... Their yard is where tent trailers and broken patio furniture goes to die.

AD · Post #2048 by AD » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:20 pm

clawfirst wrote:New tight holes.

*faints*

vonbonds · Post #2049 by **vonbonds** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:49 pm

AD wrote:
clawfirst wrote:New tight holes.

*faints*

clawfirst · Post #2050 by **clawfirst** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:32 pm

Zardoz wrote:
Ricard_Persson wrote:Get an orange tarp, something bright. Something obvious. Neighbors will love it, you'll drop their assessed property tax value.

My neighbours are already working hard to devalue our homes... Their yard is where tent trailers and broken patio furniture goes to die.

Salvaged tent trailer canvass it is.

I never said it would look good. But if done clean it can look "under construction" till it fades in the sun.

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