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FlyHigh · Post #4851 by **FlyHigh** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:56 pm

Man, I know it's a thorny issue and this might be Captain Obvious, but watching the NHL continually fuck over teams and fans with the officiating is getting infuriating. Luck already plays an unbelievably large role in hockey games, both because of the nature of the game and because of how low-scoring it is now (back in the 80s I don't think it was as big a deal because you had so many more goals).

This past series, a freaking Stanley Cup Final, you could make a pretty strong argument that the refs swung both Games 1 and 6. Game 1 you had that offside review, where it's still not even clear if the play was offside and in any case, was separated from the goal by at least 10-15 seconds and then you had the ridiculous calls on the Preds players that led to PPG. That Game 6 call was sheer lunacy.

I think there's still a strong argument to be made that the Pens would have won the series (thought they were the better team last night), but it really gets my goat that officials played such an outsize role in determining the outcome.

Stuff like this is why I don't really trust the NHL to get anything right, including the World Cup of Hockey. This is a league that has the benefit of the best playoffs out of North American sports, but somehow manages to fuck it up consistently.

Rogers Pancreas · Post #4852 by **Rogers Pancreas** » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:07 pm

FlyHigh wrote:Man, I know it's a thorny issue and this might be Captain Obvious, but watching the NHL continually fuck over teams and fans with the officiating is getting infuriating.

It's not limited to officiating, FlyHigh.

FlyHigh · Post #4853 by **FlyHigh** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:54 am

Oh god yeah, I mean, the playoff system is even worse. Amazing that people this incompetent have been allowed to hang on for this long.

They're also lucky to be flying below the radar because of the NFL, but the concussion policy and the way the league speaks about concussions both continue to be reprehensible.

GoneFullHextall · Post #4854 by **GoneFullHextall** » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:52 pm

FlyHigh · Post #4855 by **FlyHigh** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:51 pm

Hmm interesting deal for TB/MTL, would have thought that TB could have gotten more for Drouin. I had the impression that Sergachev was a really solid prospect, but not necessarily a world-beater.

MiD · Post #4856 by **MiD** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:59 pm

TB have no cap space for his new contract and got good D prospect which don't need to be protected, I think that was great job by Steve Y

dbr · Post #4857 by **dbr** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:30 pm

MTL has no d depth. Weber and Markov? No thanks. I love Weber as a player, but his age not so much.

FlyHigh · Post #4858 by **FlyHigh** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:28 pm

MiD wrote:TB have no cap space for his new contract and got good D prospect which don't need to be protected, I think that was great job by Steve Y

More just surprised there wasn't a bidding war (or if there was, that this was as high as it got). Drouin seems to be flashing a lot of elite skills and still just 22. Guess a lot of teams might not have had the flexibility with expansion plus the cap.

chaosof99 · Post #4859 by **chaosof99** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:59 pm

And drouin just signed a 6 year extension at 5.5 million per year.

Hovercraft · Post #4860 by **Hovercraft** » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:06 pm

$$$$$

He should be worth it, but not a bad trade for Steve Y. He can focus on Palat/Johnson

jester · Post #4861 by **jester** » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:55 am

FlyHigh wrote:
MiD wrote:TB have no cap space for his new contract and got good D prospect which don't need to be protected, I think that was great job by Steve Y

More just surprised there wasn't a bidding war (or if there was, that this was as high as it got). Drouin seems to be flashing a lot of elite skills and still just 22. Guess a lot of teams might not have had the flexibility with expansion plus the cap.

I suspect some teams have doubts about his temperament.

chaosof99 · Post #4862 by **chaosof99** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:32 pm

The Flames have actually traded for Mike Smith. Tell me, why was Brian Burke thought of as a good GM again?

jester · Post #4863 by **jester** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:21 am

chaosof99 wrote:The Flames have actually traded for Mike Smith. Tell me, why was Brian Burke thought of as a good GM again?

Because he built a very good Vancouver team, and won a cup in Anaheim?

FlyHigh · Post #4864 by **FlyHigh** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:26 am

DGB had a pretty good recap recently of how he got the Sedins, pretty solid GMing there, think that like a number of guys (Lou, Clarke), he had a lot of trouble adjusting to the cap era.

jester · Post #4865 by **jester** » Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:41 am

I think his ego caught up with him, too. But it's tough to judge with Toronto, as that place skews a lot of decision making.

Rogers Pancreas · Post #4866 by **Rogers Pancreas** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:17 pm

Chalk the fine-print under "fail". Again, the NHL does what's best for it in spite of the fans' interests.

http://deadspin.com/new-nhl-jerseys-are ... 1796272126

What a bunch of incompetent shit-heads.

FlyHigh · Post #4867 by **FlyHigh** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:53 pm

Oh that's funny, I don't really mind the ads that much, seems kind of inevitable. Capitalism!

chaosof99 · Post #4868 by **chaosof99** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:02 am

That Deadspin article seems like rampant speculation. For all the shit Bettman has done, he seems pretty insistent that the Jerseys will not have ads on them.

Also, apparently all the new sweaters have been leaked now. Some of them I can't really understand where they would put ads to begin with, e.g. the Rangers.

The vegas jersey looks pretty bad. It reminds me of the old Thrashers sweaters because the top of the sleeves is a different color from the main body and the bottom of the sleeves. The colors are also not very appealing.

I do love the new Wild sweater though. I'm very glad that it's almost entirely green. The NHL needs more diversity in its team colors and the sweater looks really good on its own. Not happy that the Oilers are stepping on our turf but I guess I can't be too mad for the same reason. The rest seem mostly unchanged except cleaning up some unnecessary "apron-stitching" that the Reebok sweaters had, e.g. the Predators' sweater as illustrated in the Deadspin article. Some teams really profit from this, e.g. the Avalanche.

chaosof99 · Post #4869 by **chaosof99** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:02 am

Just had an epiphany why everyone hate's the Devils jersey. It's essentially the "New Coke" of Devils jerseys.

vonbonds · Post #4870 by **vonbonds** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:29 am

chaosof99 wrote:Just had an epiphany why everyone hate's the Devils jersey. It's essentially the "New Coke" of Devils jerseys.

It's atrocious. As another poster said it looks like a pajama top.

Smashville's is brutal too.

Hovercraft · Post #4871 by **Hovercraft** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:24 am

Rumors that Vegas wants our 2nd overall and that their 3 firsts might be on the table plus expansion players.

Would you guys give up on Nico/Nolan in a deal like 2nd overall + Macdonald for Mrazek + 6th overall? Pure speculation

vonbonds · Post #4872 by **vonbonds** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:47 am

The problem with our teams winning the lottery this year is there isn't that franchise altering player or two at the top. To get away from Macdonald if you're high on Mrazek makes deal like that very enticing.

FlyHigh · Post #4873 by **FlyHigh** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:12 pm

Depends on the deal but I probably wouldn't tbh. By the time AMac is a real serious cap issue, I think they could buy him out with relatively minimal pain.

Guess neither is a superstar, but seems like most of the draftniks think that there's a real gap between Nico/Nolan and everybody else. For us, especially at Forward, I'm not convinced we need more top-9ish guys and I don't think we need depth-D either (someone like Vatanen/Brodin is fine, but how much are they moving the needle for us). They need a C that can eat minutes and hopefully lessen the load on Giroux as he gets older. Both of those guys seem to fit the bill pretty well.

CantSeeColors · Post #4874 by **CantSeeColors** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:42 pm

No chance I trade this pick for quantity. Whoever we get is a 90% chance at being at least a borderline #1/2 center, and those are so hard to get.

Rogers Pancreas · Post #4875 by **Rogers Pancreas** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:04 pm

chaosof99 wrote:That Deadspin article seems like rampant speculation. For all the shit Bettman has done, he seems pretty insistent that the Jerseys will not have ads on them.

Also, apparently all the new sweaters have been leaked now. Some of them I can't really understand where they would put ads to begin with, e.g. the Rangers.

The vegas jersey looks pretty bad. It reminds me of the old Thrashers sweaters because the top of the sleeves is a different color from the main body and the bottom of the sleeves. The colors are also not very appealing.

I do love the new Wild sweater though. I'm very glad that it's almost entirely green. The NHL needs more diversity in its team colors and the sweater looks really good on its own. Not happy that the Oilers are stepping on our turf but I guess I can't be too mad for the same reason. The rest seem mostly unchanged except cleaning up some unnecessary "apron-stitching" that the Reebok sweaters had, e.g. the Predators' sweater as illustrated in the Deadspin article. Some teams really profit from this, e.g. the Avalanche.

Florida has done an exceptional job in their design whereas the Kings have taken a major step back with their black and silver; hopefully, with the Raiders in Vegas now, the Kings can return to the Lakers' scheme of purple and gold. But I agree with the Knights' jersey. It's fucking horrible, and the crest doesn't even make sense.

Rogers Pancreas · Post #4876 by **Rogers Pancreas** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:09 pm

Hovercraft wrote:Rumors that Vegas wants our 2nd overall and that their 3 firsts might be on the table plus expansion players.

Would you guys give up on Nico/Nolan in a deal like 2nd overall + Macdonald for Mrazek + 6th overall? Pure speculation

Konecny HypeTrain Captain · Post #4877 by **Konecny HypeTrain Captain** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:33 pm

Vegas can fuckoff, grab Nico/Patrick and call this a win. We lacked a future top end C we got really lucky, don't make this difficult.

chaosof99 · Post #4878 by **chaosof99** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:49 am

Apparently Pronger will become an official within the Florida Panthers org.

DeadPhish · Post #4879 by **DeadPhish** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:36 am

Seems like the Islanders gave way too much from them to take Berube. I guess they wanted to protect the entire team.

Hovercraft · Post #4880 by **Hovercraft** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:41 am

DeadPhish wrote:Seems like the Islanders gave way too much from them to take Berube. I guess they wanted to protect the entire team.

Vegas took a 5.5 million injured Grabovski from them too.

chaosof99 · Post #4881 by **chaosof99** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:58 am

I thought about this and basically the conclusions is that Vegas took Grabovski in exchange for that no-name prospect. Then the Islanders had way more players they wanted to protect than they had slots. Besides the people they protected there is De Haan, Nelson, Clutterbuck and Bailey. Take the one you think is among them. Vegas now has that guy. Would you buy him back for a 1st, a 2nd and Berube?

I am not quite sure but I think its close. I still think they could have gotten it done for less.

Hovercraft · Post #4882 by **Hovercraft** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:11 am

No name prospect for Grabovski would not be enough to eat that contract.

They do have a lot of players exposed who they would want to keep, so I'm sure that's where some of the value was but I would say ~50% of the value was for Grabovski alone.

I am a bit surprised McPhee went right up to the cap, but I guess he will have 10+mil on LTIR. Will be interesting to see any side deals that happen now and what he does in free agency.

chaosof99 · Post #4883 by **chaosof99** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:42 am

Hovercraft wrote:No name prospect for Grabovski would not be enough to eat that contract.

They do have a lot of players exposed who they would want to keep, so I'm sure that's where some of the value was but I would say ~50% of the value was for Grabovski alone.

I am a bit surprised McPhee went right up to the cap, but I guess he will have 10+mil on LTIR. Will be interesting to see any side deals that happen now and what he does in free agency.

They also have more players than they can literally keep right now, so he is going to trade some of them for further assets and a number will be sent down via waivers.

FlyHigh · Post #4884 by **FlyHigh** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:03 am

Woof, Pronman is saying there's a good chance the Devils will take Makar.

GoneFullHextall · Post #4885 by **GoneFullHextall** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:09 am

Berube going to Vegas likely means Halak is staying in Long Island.

Boring Choice #2 · Post #4886 by **Boring Choice #2** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:22 am

FlyHigh wrote:Woof, Pronman is saying there's a good chance the Devils will take Makar.

pronman is an idiot. only chance devils take makar is if they trade their first overall for a package of first picks and players (vegas, for example).

Rogers Pancreas · Post #4887 by **Rogers Pancreas** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:53 pm

Stuff's happening.

Coyotes add hockey players.

Rangers pick up a top-10 pick, and are threatening to move up (depending who you ask).

Blackhawks add a scoring threat... maybe... if P.Kane isn't magic.

And the Islanders commit to the rebuild by adding a former Oiler.

jester · Post #4888 by **jester** » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:19 pm

Boring Choice #2 wrote:
FlyHigh wrote:Woof, Pronman is saying there's a good chance the Devils will take Makar.

pronman is an idiot. only chance devils take makar is if they trade their first overall for a package of first picks and players (vegas, for example).

Eh, Pronman is pretty legit, and has no reason to troll for clicks.

chaosof99 · Post #4889 by **chaosof99** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:00 pm

Hall of Fame class was announced. It consists of Teemu Selanne, Paul Kariya, Dave Andreychuk, Mark Recchi, Danielle Goyette, builders Clare Drake and Jeremy Jacobs. Happy for all the skaters and Kariya and Selanne making it at the same time will be fun to watch. But jesus christ, fuck Jeremy Jacobs. The guy belongs in hell, not the hall of fame.

MiD · Post #4890 by **MiD** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:47 pm

8 years 84M for Price, 70M in signing bonuses, SweetMadreDeDios... 2020 lockout incoming

Rogers Pancreas · Post #4891 by **Rogers Pancreas** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:41 pm

I just saw that.

Whatever you gotta do to sleep at night, Montreal.

Hovercraft · Post #4892 by **Hovercraft** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:28 pm

Few giant contracts handed out this week. Big deal for Vlasic too.

Kuznetsov 7.8mil 8 years Holy shit. Seems a bit risky for the caps. They have 15 players and only 5 mil cap space l.

FlyHigh · Post #4893 by **FlyHigh** » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:59 pm

Caps are like a drunken, depressed husband whose wife just walked out; just veering around the NHL making bad decisions.

chaosof99 · Post #4894 by **chaosof99** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:53 am

It's finally here, the nutcase offseason signing I was waiting for: Toronto gives Marleau a 3-year contract at 6.25 million per yer and a No-Movement-Clause. Marleau is a good player, but he turns 38 in September. That is a ton of money and a ton of risk, particularly since he will be on the books while they have to sign Marner, Matthews and Nylander to extensions.

Konecny HypeTrain Captain · Post #4895 by **Konecny HypeTrain Captain** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:00 am

I told my friend who is a Leafs fan that don't worry you guys will start to fuck your team up don't worry. Seems like it might be happening.

dbr · Post #4896 by **dbr** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:38 pm

It's a very Leafy move. Which is comical.

vonbonds · Post #4897 by **vonbonds** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:45 pm

More Lou than Leafs

Hovercraft · Post #4898 by **Hovercraft** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:00 pm

Leafs have 10+ mil on LTIR that expires soon though, theyll be fine cap wise. Still seems like a bad deal but I guess they are desperate for some veteran help.

Rogers Pancreas · Post #4899 by **Rogers Pancreas** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:58 pm

The NHL's a lot like the lottery: you gotta give yourself the best odds to be successful.

The Marleau deal does not accomplish that.

chaosof99 · Post #4900 by **chaosof99** » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:10 pm

Our old friend Rick Tocchet is taking over as head coach of the Coyotes.

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