Flyers Broads Fantasy Hockey Thread

GoneFullHextall · Post #1151 by **GoneFullHextall** » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:43 pm

so are we going forward with the league?
haven't heard a thing

VLoo · Post #1152 by **VLoo** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:45 pm

It's always dead after the season ends, though this season was quieter than any of the other ones I'd been in before. But yes, Flyers just announced the draft starts on the 24th.

GoneFullHextall · Post #1153 by **GoneFullHextall** » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:24 am

come on kids. lets get this draft going.

VLoo · Post #1154 by **VLoo** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:37 pm

Moving along swimmingly I see. I'd be shocked if Rangers has signed in to the site since like April

VLoo · Post #1155 by **VLoo** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:38 pm

March 31

GoneFullHextall · Post #1156 by **GoneFullHextall** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:57 pm

I don't know about my other keeper league.
Was hoping this one would be moving along better than it has.

GoneFullHextall · Post #1157 by **GoneFullHextall** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:59 pm

Its not up to me, but if some of these folks aren't showing anything(maybe a roll call vote) then maybe its time to move on to someone who would be active. there has to be someone here that would be active

CantSeeColors · Post #1158 by **CantSeeColors** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:59 pm

I'll ping Rangers. She's active on fantrax, probably just hasn't bothered with the board since the season ended. I'd have forgotten about the draft too if you people weren't talking about it.

vonbonds · Post #1159 by **vonbonds** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:03 pm

I only remembered because of here too

Bow Tie · Post #1160 by **Bow Tie** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:12 pm

Genuinely happy to see y'all interested. Just wanted to let you know

This new guy is the first replacement in I Can't Remember How Long that I didn't find. Maybe that'll make him not suck and we'll have that elusive 10th team who gives a shit

Also, in looking at my team, I don't think I've ever had a roster where so many guys all died together during the same year. Backes, Sharp, Hartnell, Landeskog, Duchene, Mrazek, Fleury...woof. Here's hoping they rebound equally

GoneFullHextall · Post #1161 by **GoneFullHextall** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:59 pm

hopefully the new guy sticks around.

CantSeeColors · Post #1162 by **CantSeeColors** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:38 am

Bow tie, at least none of your guys developed obscure skin conditions that prevent them from wearing equipment

vonbonds · Post #1163 by **vonbonds** » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:05 am

Are one of you guys Nucks, I forget. What value does Darling on Carolina have? I need to get him with some picks here. I have Quick and 700 backups on my roster

Bow Tie · Post #1164 by **Bow Tie** » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:04 pm

Nucks is one of the few who isn't on broads

VLoo · Post #1165 by **VLoo** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:48 pm

I am murdering this draft.

vonbonds · Post #1166 by **vonbonds** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:37 am

Whoever knows Rangers tell her she's up please

Bow Tie · Post #1167 by **Bow Tie** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:46 am

VLoo wrote:I am murdering this draft.

There are a lot of interesting names this draft, I think. Surprised more goalies haven't gone off the board -- are we the only ones to draft one so far?

Here's to hoping you bastards don't take who I'd like next! :pacman:

GoneFullHextall · Post #1168 by **GoneFullHextall** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:08 pm

I was debating a goalie with my last pick, but I also am pretty thin with defensive prospects as well. if I didt have Hart I probably would of gone goaltending with my last pick.
don't have a 4th round pick so I don't know who will be available when I pick again.

VLoo · Post #1169 by **VLoo** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:27 pm

Bow Tie wrote:
VLoo wrote:I am murdering this draft.

There are a lot of interesting names this draft, I think. Surprised more goalies haven't gone off the board -- are we the only ones to draft one so far?

Here's to hoping you bastards don't take who I'd like next!

My comment was more that I've ended up with my target every round of the draft so far. Though that is probably because there's less of a consensus outside of the Top 2 than any other year I can recall.

CantSeeColors · Post #1170 by **CantSeeColors** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:50 pm

VLoo wrote:
Bow Tie wrote:
VLoo wrote:I am murdering this draft.

There are a lot of interesting names this draft, I think. Surprised more goalies haven't gone off the board -- are we the only ones to draft one so far?

Here's to hoping you bastards don't take who I'd like next!

My comment was more that I've ended up with my target every round of the draft so far. Though that is probably because there's less of a consensus outside of the Top 2 than any other year I can recall.

I have too, but that's because I don't figure out my targets until I'm on the clock :pacman:

VLoo · Post #1171 by **VLoo** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:08 pm

My list grows as I look at best available for my pick each round and guys keep falling or I fall in love with a player and then they get to my next pick. I obviously don't have an actual strategy

vonbonds · Post #1172 by **vonbonds** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:56 am

GoneFullHextall wrote:I was debating a goalie with my last pick, but I also am pretty thin with defensive prospects as well. if I didt have Hart I probably would of gone goaltending with my last pick.
don't have a 4th round pick so I don't know who will be available when I pick again.

Want your pick back? I'm slammed with work and need to buy a car this weekend. Just trade me the same pick next year and it's yours if you want.

GoneFullHextall · Post #1173 by **GoneFullHextall** » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:01 am

vonbonds wrote:
GoneFullHextall wrote:I was debating a goalie with my last pick, but I also am pretty thin with defensive prospects as well. if I didt have Hart I probably would of gone goaltending with my last pick.
don't have a 4th round pick so I don't know who will be available when I pick again.

Want your pick back? I'm slammed with work and need to buy a car this weekend. Just trade me the same pick next year and it's yours if you want.

think I will hold off for now. 18 draft is supposed to be deeper.

vonbonds · Post #1174 by **vonbonds** » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:02 pm

VLoo wrote:I am murdering this draft.

This is me

Bow Tie · Post #1175 by **Bow Tie** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:49 pm

So how many offers does Wild get for McDavid, and which of you has already made one?

vonbonds · Post #1176 by **vonbonds** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:12 pm

That cap hit...woof. He basically needs to score as much as 2 very good players to be worth it without getting injured. I still think his frame is a bit small but you need to catch him to hit him I suppose. His asking price is too high in my opinion. I'm no bidding that shit.

Bow Tie · Post #1177 by **Bow Tie** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:20 pm

The salary definitely makes it tough because of the way it takes away from his value. I've thought about what I could offer and don't know that it makes sense to give it up, given having to make room for 15 mill

vonbonds · Post #1178 by **vonbonds** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:33 pm

Raise the salary cap so we can use more of the better players that are all starting to get huge contracts.

CantSeeColors · Post #1179 by **CantSeeColors** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:32 pm

I proposed that a few years back. It got little traction

Bow Tie · Post #1180 by **Bow Tie** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:45 pm

Contracts have also trended that way more. Might be able to get a little more on it now, though I'm unsure. For only being 10 teams, it's extremely difficult to implement change in this league.

vonbonds · Post #1181 by **vonbonds** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:09 pm

This will be my third season and I'll say the goaltending is a much bigger issue than anything else. There aren't enough to go around quite frankly.

Bow Tie · Post #1182 by **Bow Tie** » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:23 pm

vonbonds wrote:This will be my third season and I'll say the goaltending is a much bigger issue than anything else. There aren't enough to go around quite frankly.

I've carried four with varying degrees of success for a while now because of this. Feels like more of an issue with the NHL than our league, though, which sucks because we can't do anything to approach it. We've talked about balancing categories before but I have no idea how to do that. Can't manipulate the counting stats like you can in, say, fantasy baseball.

GoneFullHextall · Post #1183 by **GoneFullHextall** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:09 am

we have a rule in my other keeper league where a team cant carry more than 2 starters. becoming a starter during a season due to injury does not count.

CantSeeColors · Post #1184 by **CantSeeColors** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:46 am

Bow Tie wrote:
vonbonds wrote:This will be my third season and I'll say the goaltending is a much bigger issue than anything else. There aren't enough to go around quite frankly.

I've carried four with varying degrees of success for a while now because of this. Feels like more of an issue with the NHL than our league, though, which sucks because we can't do anything to approach it. We've talked about balancing categories before but I have no idea how to do that. Can't manipulate the counting stats like you can in, say, fantasy baseball.

Just add more scoring categories for skaters

Bow Tie · Post #1185 by **Bow Tie** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:34 am

CantSeeColors wrote:Just add more scoring categories for skaters

I was going to say what we can add is arbitrary or meh. Instead, I looked up what other categories we could add because Fantrax definitely offers more and I would like more balance. Below, I've listed what seem to be most interesting and compelling.

Hits
Blocked shots
Corsi
Fenwic
Even strength goals/assists/points
Games played
Faceoffs won
Faceoff%
Shot%
Shootout goals
Shutouts (skaters)
Takeaways
Truculence (yes, this is real...it combines hits, blocks, and PIMs)
Zone starts (defense)
Zone starts (offense)

Bow Tie · Post #1186 by **Bow Tie** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:43 am

Side note, holy butt, Nucks has five starting goalies. I thought I had a lot. I'd say go talk to him, vb, but I assume you already have. He apparently wants the moon for Darling.

Anyway. About the stats above, these might be my preferences, in no particular order:

-one of Corsi/Fenwick to show strength of puck possession
-Shootout goals because it sucks that we get zero benefit from a guy helping to win a game
-Shot% because maybe it balances shots...say a team puts up 200 shots every week but only shoots 4%, they win with a category with a flimsy conversion rate
-Truculence because it's silly, fun, and possibly more functional than strictly PIM
-Shutouts because it could very easily provide balance to goalie shutouts, since simply having one wouldn't give a team such a high probability of winning the category for the week
-Faceoff% because it puts a higher value on another particular moment/position in a game, like we've done with goalies

Let me know what you guys think here. If there's any traction with a category or two, I'll suggest it on the league board and we can argue for it there. And GFH, how many teams is your other keeper where you're limited in how many starters you can have, and what defines a starter?

vonbonds · Post #1187 by **vonbonds** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:23 am

He wants a really nice piece for Darling. We've tabled it for a bit as I'm not giving him Puljujärvi who'll easily leach off of either McJesus or Drasaitl for years to come for an unproven goalie on a classic middling team.

Bow Tie · Post #1188 by **Bow Tie** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:49 am

vonbonds wrote:He wants a really nice piece for Darling. We've tabled it for a bit as I'm not giving him Puljujärvi who'll easily leach off of either McJesus or Drasaitl for years to come for an unproven goalie on a classic middling team.

I had this exact conversation with my brother (Panthers).

GoneFullHextall · Post #1189 by **GoneFullHextall** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:56 am

Bow Tie wrote:Side note, holy butt, Nucks has five starting goalies. I thought I had a lot. I'd say go talk to him, vb, but I assume you already have. He apparently wants the moon for Darling.

Anyway. About the stats above, these might be my preferences, in no particular order:

-one of Corsi/Fenwick to show strength of puck possession
-Shootout goals because it sucks that we get zero benefit from a guy helping to win a game
-Shot% because maybe it balances shots...say a team puts up 200 shots every week but only shoots 4%, they win with a category with a flimsy conversion rate
-Truculence because it's silly, fun, and possibly more functional than strictly PIM
-Shutouts because it could very easily provide balance to goalie shutouts, since simply having one wouldn't give a team such a high probability of winning the category for the week
-Faceoff% because it puts a higher value on another particular moment/position in a game, like we've done with goalies

Let me know what you guys think here. If there's any traction with a category or two, I'll suggest it on the league board and we can argue for it there. And GFH, how many teams is your other keeper where you're limited in how many starters you can have, and what defines a starter?

I would add shutouts, but not everyone is a fan of that cat
not sure how I feel about a stat with hits in in since that is a stat that is not kept evenly in every arena.
I would be good with faceoff percentage.
shootout goals is interesting even tho that might be a stat that ties many weeks.
those are the 4 off that list that I would have some sort of interest in.

14 teams. but we do have some inactive GMs. you can carry 3 starters. Any goalie that was named the teams starter at the start of the season. goalies on IR obviously do not count to that limit either.

CantSeeColors · Post #1190 by **CantSeeColors** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:35 pm

How are skater shutouts calculated? Every skater on a team who shuts out the other team gets one? Like, if Nashville shuts the other team out, I get one for Ellis, one for Arvidsson, and one for Aberg?

I LOVE truculence. As a replacement for PIM more than as an addition. Counting hits and blocks will make a lot of traditionally useless defesemen a lot more valuable.

Corsi/Fenwick is interesting. Is it measured as a percentage or a raw value like +/-?

Shootout goals is intriguing.

Bow Tie · Post #1191 by **Bow Tie** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:50 pm

As far as I can tell, yes, every player on a team would be rewarded with a shutout if the goalie earned one.

I know hits are recorded differently everywhere, but if we look at its inclusion in truculence as a way to measure that some guys simply hit more than others, I don't think it's terrible. Adds a bit more nuance, especially with what seems like less and less guys each year who put up big PIMs.

I'm unsure how Coris/Fenwick are represented. Fantrax makes it really difficult to find that kind of information, because, well, Fantrax. I assume it would be calculated by the average number for each skater.

I think shootout goals is really compelling. A bunch of guys get chances and if it can decide an NHL game then I don't see why it can't contribute to balancing our categories.

I think faceoff% would be okay, too.

I'm entirely uncertain of the odds of limiting starters for each team would pass. But that's intriguing, too.

CantSeeColors · Post #1192 by **CantSeeColors** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:28 pm

Limiting starters seems odd. What do you do if you have more than the limit?

GoneFullHextall · Post #1193 by **GoneFullHextall** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:09 am

pretty much everyone adheres to the rule in my other league. I don't remember it being an issue.
I kept 4 goalies 2 starters and those teams backups because my starters never stayed healthy. now all 4 of my goalies are scattered around the league due to FA and expansion.
both leagues I am in goaltending is highly valued, my goaltending did me in, in my other league in the playoffs but pretty much won me this league.

vonbonds · Post #1194 by **vonbonds** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:20 pm

I fixed my pick. If someone knows Rangers send her a text.

VLoo · Post #1195 by **VLoo** » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:34 pm

I'm down for FOW, SOG and Truculence(as CSC mentioned, to replace PIM outright).

CantSeeColors · Post #1196 by **CantSeeColors** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:27 am

None of y'all need a d-man, do you? I have one too many for my salary situation. Would be open to moving one of Weber, Justin Schultz, Ghost, Krug, or Keith, though some are obviously harder to get than others.

vonbonds · Post #1197 by **vonbonds** » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:58 am

Does anyone want my 6th and 7th round picks for a 6th next year? I'm so busy with work I want to have this draft over with..lol

Bow Tie · Post #1198 by **Bow Tie** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:12 pm

Sorry, vb

Which one of yous is tryna trade for McDavid?

VLoo · Post #1199 by **VLoo** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:43 pm

I have not, and will not be, sending an offer.

I'll make that deal von, if you want to confirm it on the site.

vonbonds · Post #1200 by **vonbonds** » Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:28 pm

Fuck. I just made a pick

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