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Post #8151 by Dr_Chimera » Wed May 02, 2018 4:50 pm

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Post #8152 by PredsFan77 » Wed May 02, 2018 10:39 pm

so rudy says trump repaid cohen the hush money, in a round about away confirming the story. way to go rudy.






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Post #8153 by TittiesNBeer » Wed May 02, 2018 11:04 pm

The stupidness of trumps last lawyer is only ever surpassed by trumps new lawyers
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Post #8154 by senate » Wed May 02, 2018 11:08 pm

I can't believe you guys believe that fake news. Here is what really happened in that interview:

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Post #8155 by PredsFan77 » Thu May 03, 2018 12:20 am

Rudy is now giving interviews to Maggie and the NYT.
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Post #8157 by mayoradamwest » Thu May 03, 2018 8:56 am

These are not smart people.
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Post #8158 by TittiesNBeer » Thu May 03, 2018 8:59 am

mayoradamwest wrote:These are not smart people.
They are the best people
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Post #8159 by senate » Thu May 03, 2018 10:22 am

Dog wrote:The campain finance thing is a minor issue (slap on the wrist sanction). I think they are making the calculation that trying to assert attorney-client privilege on the seized Cohen files outweighs the campaign finance thing. This seems smart.


Campaign finance violations would trigger the crime-fraud exception to attorney-client privilege and could therefore (possibly) open all Cohen-Trump communications related to the election.
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Post #8160 by AD » Thu May 03, 2018 10:41 am

But an act, by an attorney with a 3rd party isn't privileged. So everything Cohen did is already discoverable (and discovered).

Like what would they want to protect by privilege? The conversation that they previously say didn't occur between Cohen and Trump?
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Post #8161 by senate » Thu May 03, 2018 11:13 am

Dog wrote:Why else would he be doing this?


I don't think there is a coherent strategy. I think Trump views this as a media fight, not a legal battle. He hears a allegation on TV and then wants his lawyers to go on TV to counterattack that specific allegation with no consideration given on how doing so could undermine his legal case as a whole.

Add to that: Trump's legal team are all either incompetent, practicing outside their area of expertise, or a 73 year old failed politician/pundit who hasn't practiced law in over 20 years.
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Post #8162 by senate » Thu May 03, 2018 1:31 pm

We are in for a fun twitter meltdown this afternoon.

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Post #8163 by jester » Thu May 03, 2018 2:36 pm

Dog wrote:Seriously, I’m floored. Wtf is going on that they managed to get a warrant to wiretap calls between Cohen and the WH? Wow.


Not the way it works. The tap was simply on Cohen, and Trump was dumb enough to call him. Cohen is a huge fish. He has so many skeletons in his files, and the Trump's know it. All the shady business deals might burst into daylight.

In related news, we need a much bigger fan to catch all the shit.
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Post #8164 by senate » Thu May 03, 2018 2:38 pm

senate wrote:I don't think there is a coherent strategy.


To wit:

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Post #8165 by jester » Thu May 03, 2018 2:43 pm

This ends in a constitutional crisis. The real question is whether the GOP (or some percentage of its members) breaks with Trump. Even if he is innocent of wrong doing (increasingly unlikely), his unwillingness to cooperate is a huge test of respect for rule of law.

One important question will get how much Mueller's investigative conclusions play in the midterm. If he (or the DOJ) forces the issue this summer, it will be interesting how that plays in November.
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Post #8166 by senate » Thu May 03, 2018 2:55 pm

Dog wrote:What does “constitutional crisis” mean anywho? Political shitstorm?


Its either a political shitstorm that a constitution has no rule or mechanism to solve or when the government refuses to apply or outright ignores the constitution to solve a political shitstorm.
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Post #8167 by jester » Thu May 03, 2018 3:21 pm

Dog wrote:
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Dog wrote:Seriously, I’m floored. Wtf is going on that they managed to get a warrant to wiretap calls between Cohen and the WH? Wow.


Not the way it works. The tap was simply on Cohen, and Trump was dumb enough to call him. Cohen is a huge fish. He has so many skeletons in his files, and the Trump's know it. All the shady business deals might burst into daylight.

In related news, we need a much bigger fan to catch all the shit.


The probability of capturing calls between Trump and Cohen was extremely high when they authorized the tap. Neither of them knew of it. That Trump and Cohen would speak on the phone was extremely likely.


Not really relevant to the warrant for the tap. Wiretapping catches innocent, unintended conversations all the time. This was the basis of the unmasking controversy 5 million years ago. If they had good reason to tap Cohen (they got to raid his office!), then here we are.
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Post #8168 by jester » Thu May 03, 2018 3:31 pm

Dog wrote:What does “constitutional crisis” mean anywho? Political shitstorm?


We are and have been in a political shitstorm. Trump looks like he's ramping up to refuse Mueller's requested interview, which may very well result in a subpoena ... which Trump also sounds like he intends to refuse to comply with.

At root, this would represent a claim that Trump, as president, is entirely immune from the justice system. That he is, in fact, above the law. Based on everything I have read, his legal standing here is very weak (thankfully). But, at the same time, if he fefuses to cooperate, the ONLY body that can force the issue is the legislative branch.

That is a constitutional crisis.
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Post #8169 by senate » Thu May 03, 2018 5:36 pm

Booo. Big fuck up by NBC.

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Post #8171 by Shawnathan Horcoff » Thu May 03, 2018 10:55 pm

"...all the pieces matter." Image
Also, let's keep this thread about Galchenyuk's on-ice performance, development and value and NOT bring in his personal life or race.
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Post #8172 by chicpea » Fri May 04, 2018 1:50 am

I love that sudden frame when the twins abruptly arrive and one of them is already pulling a sultry mouth-eye combo gaze. That is learned behaviour.
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10 years from now,
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Post #8175 by chicpea » Fri May 04, 2018 12:31 pm

But back to the China People. What's their move if the US partially pulls troops from Korea? US won't pull all. Say, maybe 10,000 of the 30,000 [?] (non-documented) there at the moment. Kim has some leverage perhaps. But there is no way US is pulling out all their troops. This entire thing is a mirage.
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Post #8177 by chicpea » Fri May 04, 2018 1:14 pm

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Post #8178 by TittiesNBeer » Fri May 04, 2018 2:32 pm

Dog wrote:
senate wrote:https://twitter.com/TIME/status/992438704319877120


I keep giving these people too much credit.

:why:


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Post #8179 by jester » Fri May 04, 2018 5:29 pm

chicpea wrote:But back to the China People. What's their move if the US partially pulls troops from Korea? US won't pull all. Say, maybe 10,000 of the 30,000 [?] (non-documented) there at the moment. Kim has some leverage perhaps. But there is no way US is pulling out all their troops. This entire thing is a mirage.


The under discussed aspect of this is that change is occurring in part due to NK achieving a nuclear threshold they long aspired too, and South Korea doesn't trust the US as an ally. I mean, the Trumpistas are all thrilled that tough rhetoric won the say, but 1) I suspect the deal NK will actually agree to falls far short of what Trump has promised; and 2) is the current outcome trajectory actually towards a more stable and long term sustainable peace in the region?

Lot of analysis way out over its skis right now.
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Post #8180 by chicpea » Fri May 04, 2018 9:25 pm

Rumours I'm hearing is Kim will offer to throw away his (sketchy) ICBM tech but keep the rest. Gives Donald a win at home but fucks South and Japan. I have no link or sources for my rumours.
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Post #8182 by Slick Nick » Sat May 05, 2018 3:01 am

Dog wrote:FAKE NEWS BY THE DISHONEST MSM STIKES AGAIN!

:why:


I wish you took some time to reflect on that... sincèrement..
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Post #8183 by Slick Nick » Sat May 05, 2018 3:56 am

Mais moi, je lis l'économist, pi aussi le New Yorker, Pi aussi le Washington Post...pi la Presse pi toute...genre tout le monde pas payé par Poutin pour me dire quoi penser..Super informé
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Post #8185 by TittiesNBeer » Sat May 05, 2018 9:40 am

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Post #8186 by Craig » Sat May 05, 2018 11:06 am

Really? It seems right up your alley.
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Post #8187 by senate » Sat May 05, 2018 11:17 am

Dog is rabid about The Economist's announcement last week that they will now allow their writers to use split infinitives.
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Post #8188 by AD » Sat May 05, 2018 12:15 pm

You're left of The Atlantic? You.. i.... I always knew you were fucking commie scum.
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Post #8189 by AD » Sat May 05, 2018 12:16 pm

I'm left of the Economist and right of The Guardian.

But the rest of em I find pretty spot on.
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Post #8190 by AD » Sat May 05, 2018 12:17 pm

I just hate the Times and WaPo on principle.
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Post #8191 by jester » Sat May 05, 2018 12:42 pm

Dog wrote:
Craig wrote:Really? It seems right up your alley.


Too neolib orthodoxist for my tastes, greg.

I’m somewhere left of the economist and somewhat right of the newyorker. Right of guardian, somewhat left of the atlantic. Generally speaking, on average.

I think media like cnn/cnbc has definitely moved toward the foxnews style of partisanship. Not as bad, but going towards similar style.

To nick’s point, I recognize that there is bias built in to all media. It’s really a question of degree, with some far worse than others. And, yes, my most trusted sources remain relatively centrist media (nyt, wapo, bbc)....because I’m relatively centrist and don’t like overly populist tones. Their biases fit best with me.

:why:


See ... I never understand these critiques of CNN. My biggest problem with CNN is that they're willing to put utterly contemptible and dishonest folks on air just to get "both sides."

I'd add, that CNN's lack of editorial backbone or whatever you want to call it is earning them no favors based on ratings.
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Post #8192 by Slick Nick » Sat May 05, 2018 1:44 pm

Dog wrote:But maybe I’m imagining things. Maybe large corporations are just objectively right and as such not biased.


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Post #8193 by chicpea » Sat May 05, 2018 3:01 pm

CNN, NBC, and obviously, FOX are garbage. Each spends more on make up and lighting than substantive journalism. There is no US alternative on TV. It is pathetic. It is a crisis.

CBC and BBC are far beyond in levels of objectiveness but not breaking stories.

NYT and WaPo have decent coverage and now Axios is pushing them. These are top-tier US outlets. Far better than the TV networks.

I see nothing wrong with Economist. Have read for two decades. Informative. Neo-lib, yes. But also detailed. Read with grains of salts. Good intel. I also like Foreign Policy and their spin-off podcasts.

Have you guys read inkstone yet? Interesting venture. Put out by South China Morning Post and its new mainland-loving owner, Jack Ma. Slick. But fun reads.

edit: to read about that project: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/31/worl ... icle-click
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Post #8194 by jester » Sat May 05, 2018 3:06 pm

Dog wrote:
jester wrote:I'd add, that CNN's lack of editorial backbone or whatever you want to call it is earning them no favors based on ratings.


I get the feeling that may be dated. At least that’s my perceptuon. During the last election, you get the sense that they definitely picked teams and haven’t looked back. They seem to me to have become ever more partisan since. Liberals have certainly been triggered by Trump and the rise of the populist right. Nyt/wapo are triggered too, just less “colloquial” than cnn. Target different markets. I mean, I’m quite triggered myself, doesn’t mean I can’t see it though.


By last election do you mean 2017?

CNN has a more adversarial relationship with Trump, but I think that has more to do with Trump attacking CNN than a meaningful shift in approach.
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Post #8195 by jester » Sat May 05, 2018 3:15 pm

Dog wrote:But maybe I’m imagining things. Maybe liberals are just objectively right and as such not biased.


Liberals are not inherently right, and everyone has biases. The big thing right now is that Trumpism has resulted in a massive intellectual drain from the GOP talking head class. Most of the folks that had any degree of intellectual honesty and dignity became Never Trumpers (Jennifer Rubin is a prime example), and that has had a big impact on cable news talking heads. Never Trumpers do not represent the GOP of Trump, so how can you trot them out there to comment (George Will, says hi)? On MSNBC those folks are nice as the token "conservative" that also hates Trump, but if you're CNN and want to centrist ... what do you do? You put the Trumpista jackasses on TV, which you can only do so much given your actual audience.

I generally agree with the above, though. Cable news is a wasteland as a medium. That being said, even the NYT and WaPo are struggling to figure out how to deal with this admin and political environment. Sometimes they succeed ... sometimes they don't (NYT reporters embarrass themselves on Twitter regularly).
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Post #8196 by jester » Sat May 05, 2018 5:28 pm

Dog wrote:Yeah, the establishment/elites/intelligentsia do tend to be repulsed by populists who tend to make their buck by attacking, at least in rhetoric, the establishment/elites/intelligentsia.


So, there is a lot of truth here in general, but I think this obfuscates Trump a bit. It's not the "populism" that specifically repulses them. It's the white identity grievance rhetoric, abject racism, and dangerous ignorance.
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Post #8197 by jester » Sat May 05, 2018 5:29 pm

Dog wrote:I don’t give enough attention to npr. Does anybody?


Coastal liberals.
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Post #8198 by AD » Sat May 05, 2018 6:15 pm

Dog is that guy who calls 180 year old Manhattan based national circulation magazine Harpers "on the left".
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Dog wrote:I don’t give enough attention to npr. Does anybody?


Very russophobic.

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