The Vector Unemployment/Blue Jays Thread

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19851 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:43 pm

Imagine wanting Trout to stay in AA back in the day. You guys are absurd.

clawfirst · Post #19852 by **clawfirst** » Thu May 03, 2018 7:00 pm

Lets not go that far....but yes

clawfirst · Post #19853 by **clawfirst** » Thu May 03, 2018 7:01 pm

Josh's arm is fucked. Move him to 2nd while he rehabs and lets fucking go

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19854 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Thu May 03, 2018 7:02 pm

I'm not saying he's as good as Trout, because Trout is plus speed, plus defense. But yeeesh. .388, that's an insane number. June 2nd gives him another month down there, if he's around .350 by then, he has to be in Toronto.

AGENT ZERO · Post #19855 by **AGENT ZERO** » Thu May 03, 2018 8:48 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
Balki Bartokomous wrote:Passan says call him up. I agree, if he's ready, unleash the man.

Yeah... no

He's hitting .388 against competition older than him by five years. He'll be up by June 2nd at the latest.

I guarantee he will not be up before September unless the Jays can ink him to a deal that buys out his arbitration years. Shapiro and Atkins are way too smart to waste a year of service time on a teenage DH. That is just terrible asset management.

AGENT ZERO · Post #19856 by **AGENT ZERO** » Thu May 03, 2018 8:51 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:Imagine wanting Trout to stay in AA back in the day. You guys are absurd.

Trout was in the minors at the same age you stupid ass. He is also the best player of this generation and wasn't blocked in the OF.

AGENT ZERO · Post #19857 by **AGENT ZERO** » Thu May 03, 2018 8:54 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:I'm not saying he's as good as Trout, because Trout is plus speed, plus defense. But yeeesh. .388, that's an insane number. June 2nd gives him another month down there, if he's around .350 by then, he has to be in Toronto.

That is exactly why you dont call him up. It would start his service time a year early, and at his age and postition (DH) there just isn't enough upside to justify it. The smart play is to bring him up next year as a 3B in May with Bichette.

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19858 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Thu May 03, 2018 9:38 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Balki Bartokomous wrote:Imagine wanting Trout to stay in AA back in the day. You guys are absurd.

Trout was in the minors at the same age you stupid ass. He is also the best player of this generation and wasn't blocked in the OF.

There have been PLENTY of players to play at the age of 19. Do what is best for the team, he could get hurt in five years and then who cares about that shit. You're dumb, and so are Shatkins.

Vector · Post #19859 by **Vector** » Thu May 03, 2018 10:01 pm

-Ngoepe DFAed
-Barnes sent down
-Santos’ contract purchased and called up
-Dwight Smith recalled
-Pearce on the DL
-JD off the DL

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19860 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Fri May 04, 2018 3:05 am

I want his power to develop. For what? 500 ft homers instead of these bombs?

AGENT ZERO · Post #19861 by **AGENT ZERO** » Fri May 04, 2018 8:14 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
Balki Bartokomous wrote:Imagine wanting Trout to stay in AA back in the day. You guys are absurd.

Trout was in the minors at the same age you stupid ass. He is also the best player of this generation and wasn't blocked in the OF.

There have been PLENTY of players to play at the age of 19. Do what is best for the team, he could get hurt in five years and then who cares about that shit. You're dumb, and so are Shatkins.

Name all of the 19 year olds who have debuted before September in the last decade.

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19862 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Fri May 04, 2018 10:59 am

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
Trout was in the minors at the same age you stupid ass. He is also the best player of this generation and wasn't blocked in the OF.

There have been PLENTY of players to play at the age of 19. Do what is best for the team, he could get hurt in five years and then who cares about that shit. You're dumb, and so are Shatkins.

Name all of the 19 year olds who have debuted before September in the last decade.

Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Julio Urias.

July 8th, April 28th and May 27th respectively.

In our time, Ken Griffey Jr., A-Rod, Beltre, Andruw Jones, Ivan Rodriguez and in my time Doc Gooden.

Harper won a ROY as a 19 year old.

You make it sound as if there has never been 19 year olds to debut before September

You'll whine and bitch to me about how those are generational talents. Guess what? So is Vlad Jr.

Here's an article:

https://sports.yahoo.com/prospect-heat- ... 50051.html

Dr_Chimera · Post #19863 by **Dr_Chimera** » Fri May 04, 2018 10:56 pm

AGENT ZERO · Post #19864 by **AGENT ZERO** » Sat May 05, 2018 9:44 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
There have been PLENTY of players to play at the age of 19. Do what is best for the team, he could get hurt in five years and then who cares about that shit. You're dumb, and so are Shatkins.

Name all of the 19 year olds who have debuted before September in the last decade.

Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, Julio Urias.

July 8th, April 28th and May 27th respectively.

In our time, Ken Griffey Jr., A-Rod, Beltre, Andruw Jones, Ivan Rodriguez and in my time Doc Gooden.

Harper won a ROY as a 19 year old.

You make it sound as if there has never been 19 year olds to debut before September

You'll whine and bitch to me about how those are generational talents. Guess what? So is Vlad Jr.

Here's an article:

https://sports.yahoo.com/prospect-heat- ... 50051.html

So by plenty, you meant 2, neither of which were as young as Vlad Jr. Gotcha...

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19865 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Sat May 05, 2018 9:58 am

I literally gave you a list of 10 people. You pigeonholed it to 10 years and then said I gave two examples when I gave three. Vlad Jr has had a 24 game spell better than Trout ever did at AA while being younger.

when Trout was 19 years and 10 months he went .365 with a .445 OBP a .625 SLG and a 1.070 OPS.

Vlad 's slash line at 19 years two months he has gone .388, .452 OBP .624 SLG and a 1.075 OPS. He's 8 months younger and better in BA, OBP, slightly off in SLG and slightly better OPS.

Bring him up, give him a few games, the Angels gave Trout 40 games, he struck out 30 times and only hit .220 before they ended the experiment. Vladdy Jr. has earned a cup of coffee.

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19866 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Sat May 05, 2018 6:39 pm

New slash line for Vlad Jr

.402 AVG, 1.089 OPS, 3 HR, 30 RBI (92 AB)

Fuck y'all

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19867 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Mon May 07, 2018 10:11 pm

Two more Vlad dingers boys.

AGENT ZERO · Post #19868 by **AGENT ZERO** » Tue May 08, 2018 9:35 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:I literally gave you a list of 10 people. You pigeonholed it to 10 years and then said I gave two examples when I gave three. Vlad Jr has had a 24 game spell better than Trout ever did at AA while being younger.

when Trout was 19 years and 10 months he went .365 with a .445 OBP a .625 SLG and a 1.070 OPS.

Vlad 's slash line at 19 years two months he has gone .388, .452 OBP .624 SLG and a 1.075 OPS. He's 8 months younger and better in BA, OBP, slightly off in SLG and slightly better OPS.

Bring him up, give him a few games, the Angels gave Trout 40 games, he struck out 30 times and only hit .220 before they ended the experiment. Vladdy Jr. has earned a cup of coffee.

LOL at calling a ten year sample pigeon holing. Any other sample would be irrelevant because the rules for arbitration and player control were different. Furthermore, this has nothing to do with Vlad not being good enough, it's weighing the value of a 19 year old Vlad vs a 27 year old Vlad in his prime. If you bring him up now you are trading those two seasons for one another, and you risk seriously stunting his defensive development. I don't see the point personally, maybe if the Jays continue to contend for a playoff spot you can argue that he adds high leverage wins *shrugs*.

Transplanted Caper · Post #19869 by **Transplanted Caper** » Tue May 08, 2018 1:14 pm

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19870 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Tue May 08, 2018 1:28 pm

Fuckin Mexicans

Shawnathan Horcoff · Post #19871 by **Shawnathan Horcoff** » Tue May 08, 2018 1:28 pm

Stephen Brunt already working on the redemption story.

LeafOfBread · Post #19872 by **LeafOfBread** » Tue May 08, 2018 2:13 pm

Osuna is a fucking cholo

Vector · Post #19873 by **Vector** » Tue May 08, 2018 3:30 pm

God damn it.

Honus Joglund · Post #19874 by **Honus Joglund** » Tue May 08, 2018 6:32 pm

That bat speed.

Badler also put up a scouting report on him: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories ... ters-ever/

That’s what I have to keep reminding myself when I watch Vladimir Guerrero Jr. He’s already a complete hitter—major league ready now with the bat—and one of the best teenage hitters ever.

Vector · Post #19875 by **Vector** » Tue May 08, 2018 9:04 pm

Jays no-hit through 7. Stroman has been terrible this season.

Honus Joglund · Post #19876 by **Honus Joglund** » Tue May 08, 2018 9:35 pm

Paxton's no hitter is going to be the highlight of the season for the Jays.

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19877 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Tue May 08, 2018 9:45 pm

I love it. That was awesome

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19878 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Tue May 15, 2018 11:04 am

We have a hall of famer in the minors. If they send him to Buffalo before calling him up, time for a roadie to a Bisons game.

Bichette on the other hand is finally struggling a bit, his average is .276, OBP of .353, .403 SLG and a .756 OPS. They don't track BABIP or things like that, so I have no idea if he's unlucky or it's just catching up to him.

AGENT ZERO · Post #19879 by **AGENT ZERO** » Tue May 15, 2018 12:28 pm

Bichette has made maassive strides with his glove, and given his age and that this is his first go around at AA those are actually very good numbers. Plus a SS doesn't need to be a great hitter to provide value, though I fully expect him to be a great hitter in time. Biggio has been the biggest surprise, he may be a prospect yet.

Transplanted Caper · Post #19880 by **Transplanted Caper** » Tue May 15, 2018 1:57 pm

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19881 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Tue May 15, 2018 2:31 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:Bichette has made maassive strides with his glove, and given his age and that this is his first go around at AA those are actually very good numbers. Plus a SS doesn't need to be a great hitter to provide value, though I fully expect him to be a great hitter in time. Biggio has been the biggest surprise, he may be a prospect yet.

I'm not saying he's bad or anything, just that his average has come down, but the OBP is still encouraging relative to the AVG. But I read that he's doing well defensively, so that is good. I'm really excited for the two boys.

Speaking of Vladdy

Opposite field, more than 350 feet lol

Also:

He’s now struck out three times in 51 plate appearances this month. He’s hit more home runs (four) over that span.

LOL

Defense needs a little work:

But this was a decent play helped on by the first bagger

On the season, Guerrero has only five errors in just over 250 innings. By most accounts, his defence is vastly improved from where it was when he started playing third base in rookie ball. But, like most young players, he’s still working on his mental approach.

Vector · Post #19882 by **Vector** » Tue May 15, 2018 4:13 pm

I have no problem leaving him in the minors to work on his defense. Who knows how the season is going to progress, though. By the deadline they look like they don’t have a chance, JD gets traded and Vladdy is brought up. It doesn’t hurt to leave him in the minors instead of wasting a contract season.

MonkeyWrench · Post #19883 by **MonkeyWrench** » Tue May 15, 2018 6:46 pm

Transplanted Caper wrote:https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/996448870103052288

Tough to take any apology seriously after this.
I'm more annoyed by the fake apologies than the enhancement in question.

stoney · Post #19884 by **stoney** » Tue May 15, 2018 6:53 pm

MonkeyWrench wrote:
Transplanted Caper wrote:https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/996448870103052288

Tough to take any apology seriously after this.
I'm more annoyed by the fake apologies than the enhancement in question.

This taints another incredible individual career

vf · Post #19885 by vf » Tue May 15, 2018 7:13 pm

Balki Bartokomous wrote:https://twitter.com/baseball_ref/status/996398590493904896

We have a hall of famer in the minors. If they send him to Buffalo before calling him up, time for a roadie to a Bisons game.

Bichette on the other hand is finally struggling a bit, his average is .276, OBP of .353, .403 SLG and a .756 OPS. They don't track BABIP or things like that, so I have no idea if he's unlucky or it's just catching up to him.

Yes they do. Bichette's babip is .366. Vladdy is .402

LeafOfBread · Post #19886 by **LeafOfBread** » Tue May 15, 2018 10:09 pm

Lol Votto is such an asshole, took a dump on all of Canada

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19887 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Wed May 16, 2018 2:30 am

LeafOfBread wrote:Lol Votto is such an asshole, took a dump on all of Canada

He's my favorite. I agree with him. Who gives a shit about the Jays or Canadians in the league unless they're on his team? It's like the idiots who want a Canadian team to win the Cup because Canada deserves a Cup. Get outta here.

paulster · Post #19888 by **paulster** » Wed May 16, 2018 8:36 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:Lol Votto is such an asshole, took a dump on all of Canada

He's my favorite. I agree with him. Who gives a shit about the Jays or Canadians in the league unless they're on his team? It's like the idiots who want a Canadian team to win the Cup because Canada deserves a Cup. Get outta here.

That’s like telling Dominicans to give zero fucks about Major League Baseball. Good luck with that one ya jabroni.

LeafOfBread · Post #19889 by **LeafOfBread** » Wed May 16, 2018 10:03 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:Lol Votto is such an asshole, took a dump on all of Canada

He's my favorite. I agree with him. Who gives a shit about the Jays or Canadians in the league unless they're on his team? It's like the idiots who want a Canadian team to win the Cup because Canada deserves a Cup. Get outta here.

That's the worst analogy ever. He doesn't have to give a shit about the Jays or really care all that much about Canadian players but no need to take a shit on your own country. He was lucky enough to grow up somewhere that he even had the privilege to play baseball and actually get scouted.

He ended up apologizing now anyways and claims it was out of jealousy so there's that.

MonkeyWrench · Post #19890 by **MonkeyWrench** » Wed May 16, 2018 10:09 am

LeafOfBread wrote:
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:Lol Votto is such an asshole, took a dump on all of Canada

He's my favorite. I agree with him. Who gives a shit about the Jays or Canadians in the league unless they're on his team? It's like the idiots who want a Canadian team to win the Cup because Canada deserves a Cup. Get outta here.

That's the worst analogy ever. He doesn't have to give a shit about the Jays or really care all that much about Canadian players but no need to take a shit on your own country. He was lucky enough to grow up somewhere that he even had the privilege to play baseball and actually get scouted.

He ended up apologizing now anyways and claims it was out of jealousy so there's that.

Well you can tell he was half 'murican by his original statement. A true blooded Canadian would have been overly nice and would make sure to sound thankful for his early steps into the game.

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19891 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Wed May 16, 2018 12:11 pm

Raging patriotism boners are tiresome.

In other news

paulster · Post #19892 by **paulster** » Wed May 16, 2018 12:23 pm

I am putting together an almost equally impressive performance as Vlad Jr. on my beer league softball team. No tweets to share about that though.

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19893 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Wed May 16, 2018 12:40 pm

Another four hits today lol. Shore up that defense, son! Shore it up good!

Honus Joglund · Post #19894 by **Honus Joglund** » Wed May 16, 2018 10:37 pm

Vlad at 19:
.415/.459/.696/1.155, 14 BB, 13 SO (Double-A)

Trout at 19:
.362/.454/.526/.979, 46 BB, 52 SO (Low-A)
.306/.388/.434/.821, 27 BB, 33 SO (High-A)

Harper at 19:
.318/.423/.554/.977, 44 BB, 61 SO (Low-A)
.256/.329/.395/.724, 15 BB, 26 SO (Double-A)

Boys, this is a phenom.

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19895 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Thu May 17, 2018 11:30 am

There's some thought out there that he'll get a AAA promotion by tomorrow. I don't see it, more likely June and at best a September call-up here, or a post deadline addition once they move Donaldson which I think they'll do in short order.

MonkeyWrench · Post #19896 by **MonkeyWrench** » Thu May 17, 2018 1:43 pm

Even if they do move JD (let's say mid june), I'd wager Vlad gets an mlb cup of tea around late august/sept.
With a prospect that has his skillset, I don't believe a move to AAA is of much value to anyone considering it will likely be a few months if that.

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19897 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Thu May 17, 2018 7:59 pm

They should try and have JD and Vlad in the lineup together, but they're pretty dumb.

AGENT ZERO · Post #19898 by **AGENT ZERO** » Thu May 17, 2018 8:55 pm

September is my bet. I just dont think the Jays are good enough to warrant forfeiting that age 26 season. If they go on an extended run than you can justify it as adding high leverage wins.

clawfirst · Post #19899 by **clawfirst** » Thu May 17, 2018 9:07 pm

When the dome is empty theyll forfeit 26

Balki Bartokomous · Post #19900 by **Balki Bartokomous** » Thu May 17, 2018 10:36 pm

Trade everyone. Sanchez, Stroman, Happ, all of em. Happ could bring a sweet haul.

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