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Post #2151 by Curry Rage » Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:05 pm

LOL. What the fuck does that even mean?
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Post #2152 by stoney » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:56 pm

Curry Rage wrote:LOL. What the fuck does that even mean?


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Post #2153 by LeafOfBread » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:32 am

[Staple] On Tavares: It’s long been believed that the Kings and the Leafs would be his preferred destinations if he could choose... The Leafs may be the wild card — they could afford Tavares at $11 million per now... If they can make a pitch, the thinking is Tavares will listen to his hometown team
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Post #2154 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:36 am

Tavares would really push the Leafs over the top, and from what I've seen from the Marlies I am more confident that we can fill the holes on D internally.
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Post #2155 by Curry Rage » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:47 pm

I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Post #2156 by Curry Rage » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:48 pm

Also going to mention here that I'd completely forgotten we'd signed Ozhiganov.
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Post #2157 by LeafOfBread » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:54 pm

Curry Rage wrote:I'm not getting my hopes up.

I feel like he re-signs in NYI, seems like that kinda guy. But I do think that if he does go somewhere else (which IMO he won't), Toronto would be a top destination, with San Jose and St.Louis being the other teams in the mix. I've seen Vancouver, Montreal, etc floated about but I just don't see him being that retarded :danson:
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Post #2158 by Curry Rage » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:03 pm

My thoughts are similar. The new owner in NY brought in Lou to give the organisation some stability and credibility in large part to keep Tavares on board. Without a star like that, that organisation would be (even further) in the shitter.
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Post #2159 by Curry Rage » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:09 pm

Also, I'm reticent to pay him the 11 million he reportedly is seeking. With the trio coming along and Matthews in particular having the goods to be as good or better than Tavares, you're setting yourself up for trouble keeping them surrounded. Though I've seen the idea floated elsewhere of signing Tavares to a short-term (one year) max contract until you need to pay the others and try to get him to handshake on sticking around longer at a slightly lower rate. It would be very creative, but I'm not sure how far-fetched it is given the NHL's view of circumvention.
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Post #2160 by LeafOfBread » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:13 pm

Curry Rage wrote:Also, I'm reticent to pay him the 11 million he reportedly is seeking. With the trio coming along and Matthews in particular having the goods to be as good or better than Tavares, you're setting yourself up for trouble keeping them surrounded. Though I've seen the idea floated elsewhere of signing Tavares to a short-term (one year) max contract until you need to pay the others and try to get him to handshake on sticking around longer at a slightly lower rate. It would be very creative, but I'm not sure how far-fetched it is given the NHL's view of circumvention.

That would be pretty hilarious. I mean, the NHL could cry circumvention, but at the same time if Tavares doesn't deliver or has an off year, or he gets a serious injury or something he fucks himself in the process...so really the player is taking a big risk on their part. Not sure if it's circumvention when those years aren't actually locked in.
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Post #2161 by Curry Rage » Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:17 pm

Yeah, he'd potentially be leaving a lot of insured money on the table.
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Post #2162 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:24 pm

Curry Rage wrote:Also, I'm reticent to pay him the 11 million he reportedly is seeking. With the trio coming along and Matthews in particular having the goods to be as good or better than Tavares, you're setting yourself up for trouble keeping them surrounded. Though I've seen the idea floated elsewhere of signing Tavares to a short-term (one year) max contract until you need to pay the others and try to get him to handshake on sticking around longer at a slightly lower rate. It would be very creative, but I'm not sure how far-fetched it is given the NHL's view of circumvention.


The beauty of a guy like Tavares is that he elevates the play of fringe players. I'm not at all concerned with paying an elite player elite money, it's those slightly above average players that always scare me because when they lose a step their game drops off a cliff. JT went first overall despite a well below average skating stride, so I'm not all that concerned about him aging poorly.
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Post #2163 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:31 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:I'm not getting my hopes up.

I feel like he re-signs in NYI, seems like that kinda guy. But I do think that if he does go somewhere else (which IMO he won't), Toronto would be a top destination, with San Jose and St.Louis being the other teams in the mix. I've seen Vancouver, Montreal, etc floated about but I just don't see him being that retarded :danson:


JT may go the route of Stamkos and test FA only to re-sign, but what is the point. The Islanders have presumably offered him the house, unlike the Lightning and Stamkos, so why test the market if you want to stay?
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Post #2164 by paulster » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:35 pm

I have it on good authority that JT is bringing his talents to Toronto.

Trust me guys.
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Post #2165 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:35 pm

Apparently the Islanders lose the ability to offer JT an 8th year on July 1st, so that seems like an important date to gauge whether or not he will re-sign.
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Post #2166 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:56 pm

Another guy that interests me is Jeff Skinner. The Leafs don't need another winger per say, but he is a heck of a player and it feels like the type of trade that Carolina is going to lose.
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Post #2167 by LeafOfBread » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:03 pm

paulster wrote:I have it on good authority that JT is bringing his talents to Toronto.

Trust me guys.

Didn't you say the same thing about Stamkos :trump: ?
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Post #2168 by LeafOfBread » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:05 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:
Curry Rage wrote:I'm not getting my hopes up.

I feel like he re-signs in NYI, seems like that kinda guy. But I do think that if he does go somewhere else (which IMO he won't), Toronto would be a top destination, with San Jose and St.Louis being the other teams in the mix. I've seen Vancouver, Montreal, etc floated about but I just don't see him being that retarded :danson:


JT may go the route of Stamkos and test FA only to re-sign, but what is the point. The Islanders have presumably offered him the house, unlike the Lightning and Stamkos, so why test the market if you want to stay?

Well, this is his one big chance at being courted and actually making a free decision, while he is in the prime of his career. Even if he doesn't sign anywhere else, it doesn't hurt to be absolutely sure. It's not much different than a regular career really, you see what's out there just to compare.
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Post #2169 by Whit Dickman » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:23 pm

Big difference b/w JT and Stamkos is that the islanders suck and have for a long time. Stamkos waiting to sign was a negotiation tactic. JT doesn't need to do that.
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Post #2170 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:35 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:
LeafOfBread wrote:I feel like he re-signs in NYI, seems like that kinda guy. But I do think that if he does go somewhere else (which IMO he won't), Toronto would be a top destination, with San Jose and St.Louis being the other teams in the mix. I've seen Vancouver, Montreal, etc floated about but I just don't see him being that retarded :danson:


JT may go the route of Stamkos and test FA only to re-sign, but what is the point. The Islanders have presumably offered him the house, unlike the Lightning and Stamkos, so why test the market if you want to stay?

Well, this is his one big chance at being courted and actually making a free decision, while he is in the prime of his career. Even if he doesn't sign anywhere else, it doesn't hurt to be absolutely sure. It's not much different than a regular career really, you see what's out there just to compare.


You don't test the market unless you have interest in playing elsewhere. That doesn't mean he does not return, but I wouldn't chalk this up as a typical case of a player re-signing with his old team. The vast majority of guys that return don't make it this far in the process.
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Post #2171 by AGENT ZERO » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:36 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:Big difference b/w JT and Stamkos is that the islanders suck and have for a long time. Stamkos waiting to sign was a negotiation tactic. JT doesn't need to do that.


Also, the Islanders are willing to give JT whatever he wants. One of the big sticking points with Stamkos and the Lightning was that they were not willing to make Stamkos one of the highest paid players.
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Post #2172 by clawfirst » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:38 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:Another guy that interests me is Jeff Skinner. The Leafs don't need another winger per say, but he is a heck of a player and it feels like the type of trade that Carolina is going to lose.

You would like the figure skater..
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Post #2173 by Zardoz » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:47 am

I can't stand Jeff Skinner. Ugh.
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Post #2174 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:54 am

clawfirst wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Another guy that interests me is Jeff Skinner. The Leafs don't need another winger per say, but he is a heck of a player and it feels like the type of trade that Carolina is going to lose.

You would like the figure skater..


He would replace JVR's goal totals at a lesser cost, and can actually play a little bit without the puck.
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Post #2175 by Whit Dickman » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:45 pm

JT will replace JVR

Hyman-AM-Nylander
Johnsson/Leivo-JT-Marner
Marleau-Kadri-Brown
Johnsson/Leivo-Gauthier/Altonen/?-Kapanen

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Gauthier/Hyman/Brown/Kapanen for PK

JT/AM/Nylander/Marner/Rielly pp1
Leivo/Marleau/Brown/Kadri/Gardiner pp2
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Post #2176 by LeafOfBread » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:34 pm

Swap Kappy and Brown and that's a solid lineup. As much as I like Brown and he's a good soldier I think he is going to be surpassed by better talent the next couple of years.

I'd also wanna keep Kadri on that first PP unit, he's been elite there.
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Post #2178 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:47 am

Even though this article is about the draft, I think it gives some interesting insight into how best to build your team (I.E. load up on high end talent or build lots of depth).

http://lastwordonhockey.com/2018/05/30/draft-pick-value-charts/

More in depth analysis on strong link vs weak link:

https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/03/14/strong-and-weak-links-talent-distribution-within-teams/
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Post #2179 by mooseOAK » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:05 am

The mystery has been solved, finally.
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Post #2180 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:59 am

More reasons to empty the bank for JT:

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Post #2181 by Whit Dickman » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:04 pm

He's no Sean Couturier
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Post #2182 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:52 pm

Who is? :wink:
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Post #2184 by Whit Dickman » Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:21 pm

What else is he to do with his time leading up to free agency? Can't talk to any other teams. Might as well get a good structure for a contract so that he has something to show other teams on July 1st.
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Post #2185 by paulster » Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:26 pm

TAVARES IS COMING HOME, BABY.

It's essentially 90% at this point. #insiderinfo
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Post #2186 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:27 pm

Not saying that JT won't re-sign, but Dreger hasn't been a very reliable source the past couple of years.
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Post #2187 by LeafOfBread » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:35 pm

LeBrun says many execs think JT is staying.
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Post #2188 by AGENT ZERO » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:40 pm

LeafOfBread wrote:LeBrun says many execs think JT is staying.


In his story he cites 4 executives, and all of them were guessing.

Take this with a grain of salt but it’s uncanny over the last few days how many NHL team front office people have opined to me that they believe John Tavares is staying put with the Islanders.

I mean, four rival different team execs said that this week to me, even though all four of them insist they really don’t know but that’s their guess at the moment.
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Post #2189 by Philthy Thrillz » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:08 pm

Classic Lou.
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Post #2190 by cawbber » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:38 pm

paulster wrote:TAVARES IS COMING HOME, BABY.

It's essentially 90% at this point. #insiderinfo

He lives in Long Island so this sounds about right.
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Post #2191 by MonkeyWrench » Sun Jun 17, 2018 1:03 pm

With the vacant hole at 3C/4C, I know Nylander and a Bozak return will be considered by management.
Putting those guys aside for a moment, I'm curious to see if Matthew Peca gets any consideration from Dubas. I was caught off guard that he was a UFA. 25 years old, 5'8. It doesn't appear as though Tampa will have the money, or the roster space, for him as a 4th line center. He's put up points fairly consistently at every level. Small in stature yes, but quick hands in high traffic areas. Could be a nice wildcard for the leafs to invest in short term.

Knowing the dire situation of other canadian teams however, the leafs will likely be outbid for his services. Ie, getting multiple years on contract.
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Post #2192 by clawfirst » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:31 pm

8 MOAR YEARS OF BOZAK
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Post #2193 by Honus Joglund » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:34 pm

Wow, didn't know Peca was a UFA. I liked his speed and tenacity when I saw him. I'd take him over Aaltonen and Lindholm as the fourth line centre.

Also interesting is that Sheldon Keefe coached him in Pembroke.
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Post #2195 by clawfirst » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:24 pm

Dreger doesnt even pretend to have sources anymore
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Post #2196 by MonkeyWrench » Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:42 pm

Option A is there. Aswell as option B.
Yeah...we know. No need to dress it up as something not known.
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Post #2198 by mooseOAK » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:10 pm

They can include a shot of Auston Matthews leaving the building.
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Post #2199 by AGENT ZERO » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:18 pm

Can you assholes please stop posting Dreger tweets.
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Post #2200 by Philthy Thrillz » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:28 pm

Thats one way to use the media.

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