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Post #1 by Philthy Thrillz » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:01 pm

Fuck Babcock

Kappanen JT Marner
Marner with 70 assists

Marleau Matthews Willy
Matthews 50 goals playing shit competition

Hyman Kadri Brown
Shut down line.

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Post #2 by Philthy Thrillz » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:07 pm

Our pp is going to be ridiculous. Ffs Babs, overload the pp1

Tavares and Mathews down low, Marner on the half boards, Mo up top, Marleau in the slot.

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Post #3 by Philthy Thrillz » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:59 pm

MATTHEWS
JT
KADRI

Any gud pros out there that could sign a one year deal, to truly, once and for all have the deepest center depth in the league?

Who is the favourite as of now?
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Post #4 by Whit Dickman » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:27 pm

How are you typing all of this with only one hand?
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Post #5 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:09 am

Very carefully.
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Post #6 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:53 am

If you play the Kadri unit as a shutdown line the opposition can just play their top line more which will limit the minutes of JT and Matthews. The Leafs should just go strength on strength, no team can match their top end plus depth up front. No need to overthink it, the mismatches will happen regardless.
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Post #7 by Whit Dickman » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:20 am

If anything, it would make more sense to play Tavares with Hyman and Brown since he will bring up the scoring of anyone he plays with.

But I still much prefer stapling Bill to AM, Mitch to JT, and Patty to Kadri. Shuffle the other wingers around and see who fits best where.
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Post #8 by LeafOfBread » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:49 am

Whit Dickman wrote:If anything, it would make more sense to play Tavares with Hyman and Brown since he will bring up the scoring of anyone he plays with.

But I still much prefer stapling Bill to AM, Mitch to JT, and Patty to Kadri. Shuffle the other wingers around and see who fits best where.

I don't think Tavares would be too pleased about going from Bailey and Lee to Hyman and Brown. One of the biggest criticisms of NYI was that they could never give him an elite winger.
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Post #9 by Whit Dickman » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:53 am

JT will be happy if we win hockey games
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Post #10 by LeafOfBread » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:01 am

Whit Dickman wrote:JT will be happy if we win hockey games

True but I also don't see a scenario where JT playing without either of Nylander or Marner, or at the very least even a Kapanen or Johnsson helps the team win more games.
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Post #11 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:48 am

I'm telling you fellas. No fourth line C, just alternate double shifting Matthews and JT with the fourth line wingers (one of whom will be Johnsson, Brown, or Kapanen. So definitely not plugs).
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Post #12 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:33 pm

Brown should not be playing over Johnsson and Kapanen.
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Post #13 by Whit Dickman » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:45 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:Brown should not be playing over Johnsson and Kapanen.


He's defensively responsible and .41 PPG in his career and has scored 20 goals in a season.

I like Kapanen, but he has 10 points to his name (13 if you count the playoffs). That's good for .18 PPG

Hard to say what we have in Johnsson. But he'll be playing left wing anyway.
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Post #14 by Whit Dickman » Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:46 pm

Thomas Malthus wrote:I'm telling you fellas. No fourth line C, just alternate double shifting Matthews and JT with the fourth line wingers (one of whom will be Johnsson, Brown, or Kapanen. So definitely not plugs).


With Leivo or maybe Ennis on the 4th line, it would actually be a scoring line. I think it's a great idea. Doubt it will happen though
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Post #15 by paulster » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:00 pm

8 d-men and 10 forwards.

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Post #16 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:07 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:Brown should not be playing over Johnsson and Kapanen.


Brown did have a bit of a down year last year, but it was still decent. I'm betting it will be a much better year this year.

Those two still need to prove themselves. Right now, Brown is ahead of both.
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Post #17 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:37 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Brown should not be playing over Johnsson and Kapanen.


He's defensively responsible and .41 PPG in his career and has scored 20 goals in a season.

I like Kapanen, but he has 10 points to his name (13 if you count the playoffs). That's good for .18 PPG

Hard to say what we have in Johnsson. But he'll be playing left wing anyway.


The metrics don't support the notion that Brown is an effective defensive player. Every line he played on last season (save for the fourth line) did worst with him on it than without from a shots against, and expected goals stand-point, and he isn't an offensive driver. I prefer Kapanen and Johnsson because they are quicker players who also have strong defensive reputations and better underlying numbers. That said, if the biggest problem this team has is whether to play Brown on the third or fourth line they are obviously in great shape.

As for PPG, it is not fair to compare when one player has largely played in the top 9 with top line ice time, and the other has played exclusively in a 4th line role.
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Post #18 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:38 pm

The Goat has not been sacrificed.
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Post #19 by WTF » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:02 pm

Philthy Thrillz wrote:The Goat has not been sacrificed.




The Goat abides.
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Post #20 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:10 pm

If he can find a niche on the pk, and win his fair share of faceoffs he can actually be a useful piece now that we have 3 dominant ES centers.
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Post #21 by Whit Dickman » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:50 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Brown should not be playing over Johnsson and Kapanen.


He's defensively responsible and .41 PPG in his career and has scored 20 goals in a season.

I like Kapanen, but he has 10 points to his name (13 if you count the playoffs). That's good for .18 PPG

Hard to say what we have in Johnsson. But he'll be playing left wing anyway.


The metrics don't support the notion that Brown is an effective defensive player. Every line he played on last season (save for the fourth line) did worst with him on it than without from a shots against, and expected goals stand-point, and he isn't an offensive driver. I prefer Kapanen and Johnsson because they are quicker players who also have strong defensive reputations and better underlying numbers. That said, if the biggest problem this team has is whether to play Brown on the third or fourth line they are obviously in great shape.

As for PPG, it is not fair to compare when one player has largely played in the top 9 with top line ice time, and the other has played exclusively in a 4th line role.


Just stfu AZ
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Post #22 by AGENT ZERO » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:28 pm

You STFU
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Post #23 by Whit Dickman » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:20 pm

I have great ideas
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Post #24 by Thomas Malthus » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:20 pm

Whit Dickman wrote:I have great ideas


"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" doing a lot of heavy lifting here, EB. :colbertsmile:
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Post #25 by mooseOAK » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:49 pm

AGENT ZERO wrote:
Whit Dickman wrote:
AGENT ZERO wrote:Brown should not be playing over Johnsson and Kapanen.


He's defensively responsible and .41 PPG in his career and has scored 20 goals in a season.

I like Kapanen, but he has 10 points to his name (13 if you count the playoffs). That's good for .18 PPG

Hard to say what we have in Johnsson. But he'll be playing left wing anyway.


The metrics don't support the notion that Brown is an effective defensive player. Every line he played on last season (save for the fourth line) did worst with him on it than without from a shots against, and expected goals stand-point, and he isn't an offensive driver. I prefer Kapanen and Johnsson because they are quicker players who also have strong defensive reputations and better underlying numbers. That said, if the biggest problem this team has is whether to play Brown on the third or fourth line they are obviously in great shape.

As for PPG, it is not fair to compare when one player has largely played in the top 9 with top line ice time, and the other has played exclusively in a 4th line role.

Please check out the plus minus for Bozak and Van Riemsdyk with Brown instead of Marner.
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Post #26 by clawfirst » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:27 pm

You cant use plus minus Oak. Its a squint rule. They didnt tell you cause they are jerks
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Post #27 by Dynrehab » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:09 am

Marner-JT
Nylander-Matthews
Marleau-Kadri

Not sure why they’d go away from these pairings.

The wingers can rotate through.
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Post #28 by Philthy Thrillz » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:10 pm

Vermette one year deal for the 4th line center?

Babs would concur, to be sure.
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Post #29 by Dynrehab » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:14 pm

Philthy Thrillz wrote:Vermette one year deal for the 4th line center?

Babs would concur, to be sure.


Goat for me. Add a Vermette at the deadline if it is the right thing to do.
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Post #30 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:22 pm

Philthy Thrillz wrote:Vermette one year deal for the 4th line center?

Babs would concur, to be sure.


Vermette sucks, and Babs was one of the main guys that sold Lindholm on Toronto because of how he could help the team now. The job is his to lose.
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Post #31 by Philthy Thrillz » Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:11 pm

I forgot about him. I thought Vermette was great at draws and pk. My mistake.
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Post #32 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:50 pm

Philthy Thrillz wrote:I forgot about him. I thought Vermette was great at draws and pk. My mistake.


He is great at draws, but the rest of his game has dropped off considerably. I would rather let Goat and Lindholm fight it out for that spot, or if you really want to bring in a potential upgrade offer Nick Shore a cheap one year deal.
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Post #33 by Curry Rage » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:14 pm

I'm still settling into the idea that with Tavares and Matthews in tow, we've guaranteed being pretty good for the next 5 years. Other than us, I think only the Pens can go into a season knowing they have two top-10 centers to work around. Fuck a duck.
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Post #34 by LeafOfBread » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:14 pm

Curry Rage wrote:I'm still settling into the idea that with Tavares and Matthews in tow, we've guaranteed being pretty good for the next 5 years. Other than us, I think only the Pens can go into a season knowing they have two top-10 centers to work around. Fuck a duck.

And then you add in the fact that the Leafs 3C could be a 1C on some teams. :danson:
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Post #35 by Curry Rage » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:59 pm

Nothing against Knads - you know I love him - but I'm glad we're no longer one of those teams.
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Post #36 by Philthy Thrillz » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:07 pm

The best part of this is, Knads will embrace the role. He loves JT, he wants to be him. Career year for Kadri.
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Post #37 by Philthy Thrillz » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:11 pm

Barring suspensions, of course.
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Post #38 by Thomas Malthus » Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:27 am

Including suspensions.
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Post #39 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:48 am

If Nash accepted a 1 year deal at 2 mill, is there room for him? Would he be worth it?
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Post #41 by vf » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:02 pm

The club has :
Brown
Ennis
Hyman
Jooris
Kadri
Kapanen
Leivo
Lindholm
Marleau
Marner
Matthews
Nylander
Tavares

That's 13. Who would you play him over? Ennis and Jooris? Leivo?
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Post #42 by paulster » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:44 pm

Leafs were on his no trade list so he can go sit on a bag of dicks.
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Post #43 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:46 pm

A Nash signing would indicate another trade I would think.

Is he done as hockey player?

A Nash on the 4th line is intriguing, if he can still play.

A pto perhaps.
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Post #44 by Philthy Thrillz » Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:13 pm

paulster wrote:Leafs were on his no trade list so he can go sit on a bag of dicks.


I thought some panties might be still twisted.
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Post #45 by Curry Rage » Thu Aug 09, 2018 4:54 am

Nash ain't what we need at this time.
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Post #46 by AGENT ZERO » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:11 am

Nash isn't coming out of half retirement to compete for a 3rd line job. Besides, I would rather leave open a spot for Leivo to take.
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Post #48 by paulster » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:39 pm

I have a feeling I’m going to be saying “I can’t believe we got this guy” a lot this season. But in a good way, not in a Rickard Wallin way.

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